In this day and age, I don't see why not.
Should romance scenes have full frontal nudity?
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 05:45
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MegaBadExample wrote...
BOOBS OR GTFO.
That's how I feel about the romance scenes.
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 05:45
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I don't think there should be nudity for the sake of nudity, but I don't understand why they tried to so hard to avoid it no matter what. FemShep looks ridiculous when she's still in her underwear for no apparent reason. The FemShep/Traynor scene is goofier still with the underwear while in the shower.
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 05:58
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I don't need it but if male fans like it why not ?
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 06:03
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Catamantaloedis wrote...
MegaBadExample wrote...
BOOBS OR GTFO.
That's how I feel about the romance scenes.
I wasn't being serious. I personally don't want FULL nudity - just a tasteful scene, and Bioware delivered.
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 06:25
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I like how ME1 handled it. No nipples or genitalia, but they were undeniably naked. It was tasteful, but still somewhat titillating.
I guess Faux News ruined it for us, with their story about the sex in the game. After that, ME2 didn't have anything approaching nudity in the romance scenes (unless you count Jack, but she always goes topless).
I wasn't expecting or hoping for nudity in ME3 game I admit. But I did find it jarring when I saw femshep waking up afterwards with her underwear on, which implied that she has sex with her underwear on, or redressed immediately afterwards and got back in bed, and who does that? They could have at least pulled a Hollywood and had the sheets tucked neatly under her armpits to conceal her shame.
Anyways, the game is rated M for mature, they didn't have to try so hard to stay PG-13, a little side boob won't hurt a 17 year old.
I guess Faux News ruined it for us, with their story about the sex in the game. After that, ME2 didn't have anything approaching nudity in the romance scenes (unless you count Jack, but she always goes topless).
I wasn't expecting or hoping for nudity in ME3 game I admit. But I did find it jarring when I saw femshep waking up afterwards with her underwear on, which implied that she has sex with her underwear on, or redressed immediately afterwards and got back in bed, and who does that? They could have at least pulled a Hollywood and had the sheets tucked neatly under her armpits to conceal her shame.
Anyways, the game is rated M for mature, they didn't have to try so hard to stay PG-13, a little side boob won't hurt a 17 year old.
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 06:34
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(to the OP's question)
Yes. Absolutely yes. Either do them right or don't do them is how I always feel about it. Doing it right means nudity, and it means not being so shy that you hide everything and kill the scene. Same goes for movies and TV and stage (to a lesser extent, because it's a lot to ask somebody to do that scene live in front of hundreds of people or more, then over and over again, though it still benefits if they do), even things like comics, as far as I'm concerned.
Anytime I watch a scene, regardless of medium, where there should be nudity and the scene is supposed to evoke a certain range of emotions and reactions, to take you along that ride with the characters, and for whatever reason the creators of that scene don't go far enough, they pull the shot away, they fade to black, they pull those cover angles, etc., it pulls me completely out of the scene. It's like, "Oh, they're playing corporate, somebody was shy (poor girl/guy, *sympathy*), they're chasing that PG-13 (or T) rating, they're too conservative" etc. I can't care about the scene. I just feel disappointed and distracted by what was going on behind the scenes that resulted in somebody weakening their art for whatever outside reason.
With ME3 in particular, the Liara scene was pretty good, though still guilty of the above and way too short. Instead of being fully invested there, I was like, *watching, then the cut-off*... "Oh well, at least it's better than Mass 2, it's alright. Hopefully there's better dialogue again." And the dialogue etc., the rest of the scene, did not disappoint. The other romance love scenes in the game are just as cringeworthy as Dragon Age and Mass 2 were, with the shower scene even more so. When I saw that, I was just kind of stunned. The rest of the romance, the date scenes, the private conversations and all that, I thought were excellent. The actual love scene itself is the weakest part of the whole effort, whichever way you go.
Yes. Absolutely yes. Either do them right or don't do them is how I always feel about it. Doing it right means nudity, and it means not being so shy that you hide everything and kill the scene. Same goes for movies and TV and stage (to a lesser extent, because it's a lot to ask somebody to do that scene live in front of hundreds of people or more, then over and over again, though it still benefits if they do), even things like comics, as far as I'm concerned.
Anytime I watch a scene, regardless of medium, where there should be nudity and the scene is supposed to evoke a certain range of emotions and reactions, to take you along that ride with the characters, and for whatever reason the creators of that scene don't go far enough, they pull the shot away, they fade to black, they pull those cover angles, etc., it pulls me completely out of the scene. It's like, "Oh, they're playing corporate, somebody was shy (poor girl/guy, *sympathy*), they're chasing that PG-13 (or T) rating, they're too conservative" etc. I can't care about the scene. I just feel disappointed and distracted by what was going on behind the scenes that resulted in somebody weakening their art for whatever outside reason.
With ME3 in particular, the Liara scene was pretty good, though still guilty of the above and way too short. Instead of being fully invested there, I was like, *watching, then the cut-off*... "Oh well, at least it's better than Mass 2, it's alright. Hopefully there's better dialogue again." And the dialogue etc., the rest of the scene, did not disappoint. The other romance love scenes in the game are just as cringeworthy as Dragon Age and Mass 2 were, with the shower scene even more so. When I saw that, I was just kind of stunned. The rest of the romance, the date scenes, the private conversations and all that, I thought were excellent. The actual love scene itself is the weakest part of the whole effort, whichever way you go.
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 06:42
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Joy Sauce wrote...
I like how ME1 handled it. No nipples or genitalia, but they were undeniably naked. It was tasteful, but still somewhat titillating.
This. Side boob is far sexier than full frontal.
Anyway though, if I wanted to watch porn I would watch porn. I do the romance arcs to see the characters in a different light - not to see them naked.
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 06:49
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Apathy1989 wrote...
Anyway though, if I wanted to watch porn I would watch porn.
This kind of thought process kills me every time I see it. Nudity does not and never has equalled porn. Being averse to nudity in an appropriate context does infer a certain cultural problem we have, which is even more reason to have effective, purposeful nudity in our popular culture.
And yeah, if you wanted to watch porn, it's readily available. Nobody's talking about porn.
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 06:54
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You want to watch two naked people having sex for your personal entertainment - thats porn.
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 07:00
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No, I want there to be nudity where it should, be, regardless of what that situation is (sex being only one example, nudity being the default state of life..)
And in love scenes, I want to watch whatever's supposed to be happening from an emotional standpoint. That is not porn, not at all. R rated movies are not porn. Off broadway dramas are not porn. Game of Thrones (for a television example) is not porn. Anybody that thinks it is hasn't been raised right.
And in love scenes, I want to watch whatever's supposed to be happening from an emotional standpoint. That is not porn, not at all. R rated movies are not porn. Off broadway dramas are not porn. Game of Thrones (for a television example) is not porn. Anybody that thinks it is hasn't been raised right.
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 07:21
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Game of Thrones (for a television example) is not porn.
What Mass Effect really needed was sexposition!
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 07:55
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I don't need frontal nudity in a game, tbh. A quick backside shot as in the movies would be enough. I don't want explicit scenes, but at least I'd like them to be believable and intimate.
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 08:01
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Since Bioware knows how to handle it tastefully, yes it's more realistic!
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 08:04
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TrulyInnovative wrote...
Game of Thrones (for a television example) is not porn.
What Mass Effect really needed was sexposition!
Couldn't hurt, really.
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 08:34
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I never understood why they didn't just do the romance scenes the way they did in ME1. You can show a lot without showing a lot, and it's less jarring than seeing Shep wake up spontaneously wearing underwear, or Traynor taking a shower with her undies still on.
Also, we need shirtless Garrus.
Also, we need shirtless Garrus.
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 08:43
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It's not necessary, but Traynor showering in her underwear was just kind of stupid.
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 09:18
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Yes.
I don't know why we have to be held back from watching the beauty of the human body just because underaged play this games when they shouldn't.
The parents need to a keep a better eye on their children so they won't play games with nudity.
Hell, The Witcher shows everything during the sex scenes, I dont see why Mass Effect shouldn't.
Not trying to be perverted or anything it's just slightly pisses me off.
I don't know why we have to be held back from watching the beauty of the human body just because underaged play this games when they shouldn't.
The parents need to a keep a better eye on their children so they won't play games with nudity.
Hell, The Witcher shows everything during the sex scenes, I dont see why Mass Effect shouldn't.
Not trying to be perverted or anything it's just slightly pisses me off.
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 09:56
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FoxNews.Catamantaloedis wrote...
In this day and age, I don't see why not.
And no. Decent romantic love scenes don't need "frontal views" on breasts and lower places.
Side boobs are okay, a naked belly - like for Liara - fine. No need to see "special places". ME is no porn =)
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 10:00
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... There it is again. Nudity does not equal porn. God that kills me.
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 10:03
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Sometimes less is more but while I don't necessarily need 'full frontal nudity' in the game's love scenes I do think the insistence on perma-underwear during intimate moments in a game that features exploding bloody heads and other gory effects brings the game into just the sort of disrepute that a discrete nipple doesn't. But then I'm European and we see these things differently I guess.
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 10:19
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The reason we don't get full frontal nudity is because of neglectful,lazy****, and idiotic parents (who blame everyone else for their irresponsibility.)
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Posté 30 mai 2012 - 10:22
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Technically it isn't. I was born in Eastern Germany, means, I was raised in a way nudism is "normal" to me.cindercatz wrote...
... There it is again. Nudity does not equal porn. God that kills me.
However, standards of my people are not supported in the world and MOST of the world follows the idea "full nudity & view on genitals = porn". It isn't. But most (lower educated people and therefore the majority) think so.
And yes, it's what Yuqi said.
ME wasn't made for children. It's an adult games made for adults. Why shouldn't adults be allowed to see full nude bodies? Why do parents (especially in USA) think, "shooting people and monsters is okay" while "showing a nipple is evil"? Also again, it has to do with education and maybe religious beliefs.
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