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[EnvyTB075]

So long as its done well and doesn't turn into a softcore porno, then yeah. The game is rated M for a reason.

But of course, thats too logical.

[Neria Rose]

In a word: No. It's entirely unnecessary and I'd rather have an extra conversation over digital ass/boobs. There is more than enough free nudity on the internet if that's what I'm after.

The showering in underwear scene, however, was ridiculous. Could have been shot better.

[Wahukeza]

Like everything else, ideally I feel that there should be a choice, with the option for censored versions. That said, videogame sex scenes still look pretty weird, so as it stands, I'm not fussed. Would like if all the LIs could show off a little more, though.

[ShadowBrumby]

Doesn't phase me either way. But I wish some of the other LI scenes didn't just fade to black. In addition it seems kinda out of place, that after the final dream sequence and we've either chosen (for example) Miranda as an LI or not to go with an LI, that Shepard wakes up butt naked.

Modifié par ShadowBrumby, 30 mai 2012 - 11:25 .

[Apathy1989]

cindercatz wrote...

Game of Thrones (for a television example) is not porn. Anybody that thinks it is hasn't been raised right.

Guess thats me then. That tv show seems to survive off its pornographic material more than anything else.

I know I'm arguing the 'its porn' line, but I don't actually care that much. I love the Witcher series. It worked.

However I feel its entirely unncessary. Liaras ME3 romance, and all the romances in ME1 were tastefully done, short, and focused on the character rather than the actions. I think I actually prefered the ME series romance scenes to the witcher, simply because not seeing something is far more alluring than having your curiousity sated. 

Edit: Then again, waking up to triss naked in TW2, and her magical stripping were both very well done.

Modifié par Apathy1989, 30 mai 2012 - 11:52 .

[N172]

Wahukeza wrote...

Like everything else, ideally I feel that there should be a choice, with the option for censored versions.

^^this

[CptData]

Well, must say it was kinda annoying to see Traynor showering with underwear. That's plain stupid, period.

And for Ashley? Well, since her bottom is exposed to the cam, I'd say removing the bra should have been enough in her scene - it was foreplay, after all. It's kinda annoying (too) to see Ash still wearing underwear after the night. All (!) women I know sleep either naked or with something more comfortable than underwear - why should Ash do it?

ME1 romance scenes were great since they were full nude but the scenes were focused on emotions and not on the deed. Which is also the case in ME3, but there that underwear feels a bit misplaced sometimes.

Well ... if I could change it, I would. =)

[Apathy1989]

CptData wrote...

ME1 romance scenes were great since they were full nude but the scenes were focused on emotions and not on the deed. Which is also the case in ME3, but there that underwear feels a bit misplaced sometimes.

Yeah I agree with this.

[Joeybsmooth4]

I would have loved to have it .. I mean you work so hard getting them as a Love Interest .. at least they can show you the Prrrrrize.

Ok all kidding aside .. I think it is a joke how seeing someone nude is seen as something bad . yet in this game we can see people's head getting blown off, and impaled. Mass Effect is a AAA game , and if they had real nudity in it.. I can see them getting a lot of heat. However EA are the same people that marketed a game on being so violent it would upset your mother .

[Shajar]

I need to Tali's skin, no need for full nude but some parts. Maybe leg(s) which arent under blanket

[cindercatz]

I actually agree with it being optional, because then it's fully on the player and the integrity of the experience is maintained. If you would shy away, then your character and the world from your POV makes sense. If not, your experience is not damaged by trying to cater to the other people. This also means that the work itself is not compromised.

I always go back to Heavy Rain on this. There all the nudity is organic, and all of it is optional. You could go the Brutal Legend route, with the early choice (Swearing and Craziness On, Swearing and Craziness Off, take your pick), but it's less effective from a storytelling standpoint. Safer if you're worried about being safe, though.

CptData wrote...

cindercatz wrote...

... There it is again. Nudity does not equal porn. God that kills me.

Technically it isn't. I was born in Eastern Germany, means, I was raised in a way nudism is "normal" to me.

However, standards of my people are not supported in the world and MOST of the world follows the idea "full nudity & view on genitals = porn". It isn't. But most (lower educated people and therefore the majority) think so.

And yes, it's what Yuqi said.
ME wasn't made for children. It's an adult games made for adults. Why shouldn't adults be allowed to see full nude bodies? Why do parents (especially in USA) think, "shooting people and monsters is okay" while "showing a nipple is evil"? Also again, it has to do with education and maybe religious beliefs.

I agree with most of what you've said in the thread, except that again, no matter what anybody thinks, nudity does not equal pornography, and it's art's and pop culture's job to move societal advancement along. Not everything out there does that all alone (I'd argue nothing does in a vacuum), but as a whole. Part of that means including nudity where it should be, and using it effectively.

Also, I really think you're wrong about "most of the world's" destinction here. I know that's true for most (not all) predominately Muslim countries, and I believe it's true for India (not sure, but sad state of affairs there, in more areas than this). All of those countries together do not make up a majority of the world. Generally, the more theocratic your society, the more likely this is the case. Those countries are also likely to have far more issues with a game like Mass Effect or Dragon Age than simple nudity. Tight sexual restrictions are just one way to dominate your population's mind. Honestly, if you want to market your game in those countries, that has to be part of the localization process. You obviously won't be allowed to break local law in your product, no matter how insane that law may be.

When you're talking about places like the US, however, while there is a very small pocket in the culture who would claim this equivolency, those people are fringe elements, and your product, as a work of art, should be moving to further educate and move them along, not to reinforce their dogma (in any aspect where it's harmful, this being one). Most far right wing Christians here wouldn't even make that arguement. It's truly fringe. Otherwise, they use the word porn so loosely that it doesn't really mean anything, including to them. You don't cater to those mindsets.

[Lucky Thirteen]

No, because the full frontal nudity will be restricted to women.

I'll be okay with full frontal nudity if the male characters are included.

THAT'S RIGHT I WANT TO SEE GARRUS'S CLAW HAMMER AND THANE'S TWIZZLER!

hot stuff.

[Joeybsmooth4]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

No, because the full frontal nudity will be restricted to women.

I'll be okay with full frontal nudity if the male characters are included.

THAT'S RIGHT I WANT TO SEE GARRUS'S CLAW HAMMER AND THANE'S TWIZZLER!

hot stuff.

THey did it on GTA stories. So why not ? 

[Lucky Thirteen]

Joeybsmooth4 wrote...

THey did it on GTA stories. So why not ? 

We're talking Bioware here man. Took them three games to include male/male romance.

Their artistic integrity involves an entire race of blue women that will spend a couple hundred years of their life stripping and having sex, altering Ashley from looking like a tom boy to Miranda, banshees haveing vaginas and glowing nipples, EDI having a detailed ******, destroying Thane and Jacob romances, and giving female Shepard three lesbian romances to one straight one that can potentially die two times by player choice or friendzone her cause he didn't get his booze.

If they do full frontal nudity, it will be all female characters and the male characters will keep their shorts on.


edit: People go on and on about sl*t shaming, but no one talks about how the penis is treated like spawn of satan.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 30 mai 2012 - 02:25 .

[CptData]

cindercatz wrote...

I agree with most of what you've said in the thread, except that again, no matter what anybody thinks, nudity does not equal pornography, and it's art's and pop culture's job to move societal advancement along. Not everything out there does that all alone (I'd argue nothing does in a vacuum), but as a whole. Part of that means including nudity where it should be, and using it effectively.

That's why I said "most people think".

It isn't. But in a world that's divided into black and white for most people, nude characters are porn since visible genitals are porn and only persons with clothes are no porn. So to speak.
Keep in mind: people tend to think simple. In fact, it's quite common to think in "good" and "bad" (aka white and black) but a lot of people don't realize there's also a huge bandwith of "grey shades" between both extremes.

For you and me a nude body may not mean "porn". It simply means "nude body". I know how a guy looks naked. And I know how a girl looks without clothes. I don't feel offended, annoyed or shocked by the view of naked skin.

Also, I really think you're wrong about "most of the world's" destinction here. I know that's true for most (not all) predominately Muslim countries, and I believe it's true for India (not sure, but sad state of affairs there, in more areas than this). All of those countries together do not make up a majority of the world. Generally, the more theocratic your society, the more likely this is the case. Those countries are also likely to have far more issues with a game like Mass Effect or Dragon Age than simple nudity. Tight sexual restrictions are just one way to dominate your population's mind. Honestly, if you want to market your game in those countries, that has to be part of the localization process. You obviously won't be allowed to break local law in your product, no matter how insane that law may be.

Well ... I say the "majority of the world" since the majority of the people do live in nations with a highly influential religion. It doesn't matter if you live in a nation with Islam as main religion or if you were born in a Christian country. I think only Buddhism doesn't have issues with nudism. Every other mono- or polytheistic religion does have issues.

And even if you don't have a influential religion in your nation: there are still feminists. Currently a major issue in Germany and Europe in general.

When you're talking about places like the US, however, while there is a very small pocket in the culture who would claim this equivolency, those people are fringe elements, and your product, as a work of art, should be moving to further educate and move them along, not to reinforce their dogma (in any aspect where it's harmful, this being one). Most far right wing Christians here wouldn't even make that arguement. It's truly fringe. Otherwise, they use the word porn so loosely that it doesn't really mean anything, including to them. You don't cater to those mindsets.

Well, FoxNews is consumed by only approx 4 or 5 millions - but it is considered as highly influential. Same for the religions - you have regions where every single village has its own bible.

The funny part is: since the people living at the Eastcoast / Westcoast are mostly liberal, religious fundamentalists can grow their influence to that current level. You know: freedom of speech. And most people like to see a simply world - which is provided by those fundamentalists: white and black, good and evil. A liberal mind knows the world is more complicated, but the ordinary man of the street wants a simple world.


And now I stop since it's entirely OT, entirely political and too upsetting if continued.

Will delete this post on request.

[CptData]

By the way, am I the only dude who has NO issues with looking at Shepard's (Kaidan's / Cortez' ...) manly side?

I mean ... if BW decides to add a full nude DLC for the game, then they'll show full nude women. Where's equal treatment then? ^^

[Tup3x]

I definitely think that less is more. So no, I don't want to full nudity.

[Joe1962]

Apathy1989 wrote...

CptData wrote...

ME1 romance scenes were great since they were full nude but the scenes were focused on emotions and not on the deed. Which is also the case in ME3, but there that underwear feels a bit misplaced sometimes.

Yeah I agree with this.

Ditto.

[Chris Priestly]

Because this is a game, not porn.


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