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Dragon Age: Dawn of the Seeker Review and Discussion Thread [Spoilers]


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This thread is to discuss the story of Dawn of the Seeker in all spoilerage as you guys please. Feel free to post your thoughts on the movie, as well.

Frankly I thought the movie was terrible. Bad animation, bad voice acting and dialogue, and a badly scripted story that contributes nothing of value to the DA universe lore-wise and very little to Cassandra.

Tons of Ogres and Golems working together? Blood magic and control rods (nevermind where they actually got these creatures). Dragons in an organized attack? Mage elf girl who can control animals and blood magic. More about Cassandra's past? Her brother was killed by blood mages and she stops an attack on the Divine. Her character? Some guy teaches her to stop hating mages and she likes to kill things and threaten people.

Action scenes were too over-the-top and got to the degree of stupidity at points (like shattering a Golem's leg with one sword swipe, mages forgetting they can actaully use magic, running up what must be yards on a wall).

... Glad I only rented it on PSN for a few bucks.

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Haven't seen it , don't plan on buying it ..
It seems the level of writing isn't better than Dragon Age Redemption...Can they stop with "my familly has been killed by a mage "....we had Meredith , that templar guy with Felicia Day and now Cassandra.
It sound so much better when it's "My family has been eaten by a killer Whale and now i have issues"...

Anyway any interesting lore information?

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Reznore57 wrote...

It seems the level of writing isn't better than Dragon Age Redemption...

Anyway any interesting lore information?

The writing is worse than Redemption. Considerably worse.

Nothing new on lore that I can remember. Even the promised "insights" into the Seekers, Templars, and Chantry were lies.

Well actually we learn that the Chantry has a special religious gathering every 10 years. And Chantrys' have confessionals, apparently.

Maybe there were even some contradictions. Does this take place before Origins? 'Cause Justinia V shouldn't be the Divine, then. Also the "High Seeker" is the head honcho of the Seekers instead of the "Lord Seeker" in Asunder. And the increasing notion that the Seekers are not secretive at all makes me wonder more and more why they weren't mentioned in Origins.

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I thought I was going to loathe the style, that actually grew on me though. Wonder if they would use it for DA3. Otherwise it's meh.

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Haven't seen it, but if none of the writers from the games were involved, I'd trust it about as much as I trusted the old comics where we had Gregaior slapping around mages(one of the downsides to writing issues where the writer has a bias towards one side.).

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I actually really liked it. The art style was very true to the DA series, with creatures animated pretty much exactly the way they are in the games and even some of the exact armors and peasant clothing that you see in the games. The Grand Cathedral felt all wrong to me, but it really seemed like the artists took the architectural style from Kirkwall and ran with it, not realizing that maybe that wasn't the direction all of DA was heading, but just the look for DAII's settings.
The first time I saw Cassandra stab through a piece of plate armor my husband, who does medieval battle reenacting, just looked at me like "ugh, wtf?" I gave his hand a squeeze and said "Her sword is silverite." He said "Thank you. I feel better." Размещенное изображение When she sliced off that golem's leg he said "Yep. Definitely silverite."

There definitely were some new magical abilities that we don't know of as canon. Blood magic mind control was used on a small horde of ogres and golems alike, but doesn't work on dragons. So it only works on humanoids, and darkspawn are still humanoid? I really thought they didn't have a soul, but golems do so that much made sense to me. As far as whether mind domination is stronger than the magic that binds a golem to its control rod...  I guess so? Like I said, we don't know if it's canon. There's also a scene where Galyan (a mage) is either invisible or blends seamlessly with his surroundings to hide himself. A young mage is born with the ability to communicate with and influence the minds of animals - a kind of magic we've never heard of before, but so was Rhys' ability in "Asunder."

There is no way that the writing was worse than "Redemption" - just no way. It had its cheesy moments, but IMO that's something you get from anime, because they're a specific genre written usually for a different audience. I was impressed that the two lead characters, Cassandra and Galyan, weren't gimmicky but still managed to have a personality all their own. Cassandra is tough, but she didn't irritate me by being "I am angry and awesome I will cut the foreskins from a thousand mages GRRR". Galyan is charming and has his funny moments, but he doesn't spend the whole movie cracking jokes. Often you couldn't tell who the villains were just by assessing their physical features, which was refreshing for me.

My only real complaint about the movie was that the main villain was completely one-dimensional. A blood mage who wanted power. No idea why he wanted it other than just to have it. He also had this grotesque physical appearance and some sort of mask attached to his head which was never explained to us, which I was disappointed in.

Visually, it was stunning from start to finish, but the ending battle with its spells and dragons had some seriously jaw-dropping moments.
And we got to see our first obese elf, which was pretty awesome.

If you haven't seen it, I recommend watching it and forming your own conclusions. Mike Laidlaw and Mark Darrah were both involved, and it keeps surprisingly close to the DA we're familiar with. Keep an open mind, because there are some real gems in there.

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Well if there's an obese elf , I might look at it!
I 'm pretty cautious because I hated Redemption and forced myself to watch only to learn more about the DA universe .(and there was nothing new about the lore :s)
Since Dawn of the Seeker is 90 min and isn't for free , it might be a more painful experience :D
Anyway saw some trailer , i liked the animations .
And read that a guy who wrote turtle ninja cartoons wrote the script and it did lack the shade of grey of the game , about the whole templars/chantry/mage conflict.
I guess i give it a try if the dvd ain't too expensive.

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Reznore57 wrote...

Well if there's an obese elf , I might look at it!
I 'm pretty cautious because I hated Redemption and forced myself to watch only to learn more about the DA universe .(and there was nothing new about the lore :s)
Since Dawn of the Seeker is 90 min and isn't for free , it might be a more painful experience :D
Anyway saw some trailer , i liked the animations .
And read that a guy who wrote turtle ninja cartoons wrote the script and it did lack the shade of grey of the game , about the whole templars/chantry/mage conflict.
I guess i give it a try if the dvd ain't too expensive.


This part was/is me exactly too, (Redemption was... painful) and I actually enjoyed Dawn of the Seeker quite a bit. I wouldn't watch it over and over again, but I don't regret that 90 minutes at all. Размещенное изображение

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brushyourteeth wrote...

There definitely were some new magical abilities that we don't know of as canon. Blood magic mind control was used on a small horde of ogres and golems alike, but doesn't work on dragons. So it only works on humanoids, and darkspawn are still humanoid? I really thought they didn't have a soul, but golems do so that much made sense to me.


Blood magic is actually supposed to work on ogres, but not golems. You're controlling the subject through the blood in their veins, not their soul.

I guess that's not a huge problem, since blood magic has all sorts of unspecified abilities and this isn't a big plot point.

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thats1evildude wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

There definitely were some new magical abilities that we don't know of as canon. Blood magic mind control was used on a small horde of ogres and golems alike, but doesn't work on dragons. So it only works on humanoids, and darkspawn are still humanoid? I really thought they didn't have a soul, but golems do so that much made sense to me.


Blood magic is actually supposed to work on ogres, but not golems. You're controlling the subject through the blood in their veins, not their soul.

I guess that's not a huge problem, since blood magic has all sorts of unspecified abilities and this isn't a big plot point.

I suppose mind domination magic would work on anything that technically has a mind. I just never thought of it like that before.

Why it works on scores of golems and ogres but not on dragons is still a mystery to me though.

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brushyourteeth wrote...

I suppose mind domination magic would work on anything that technically has a mind. I just never thought of it like that before.

Why it works on scores of golems and ogres but not on dragons is still a mystery to me though.


Because the plot says so. :P

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thats1evildude wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

I suppose mind domination magic would work on anything that technically has a mind. I just never thought of it like that before.

Why it works on scores of golems and ogres but not on dragons is still a mystery to me though.


Because the plot says so. :P

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I liked it, but i was hoping for a little more insight into the world or into a future plot. I think we need "the right hand of the divine" to be more clearly defined. is it just someone she chooses who gets the title or what?

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Somewhat cheesy dialogue, the usual villain monologues but otherwise the action sequences were cool and the animation style was pretty neat looking IMO. I thought it was more of a prequel but it was more or less parallel to the events of DA2 as Kirkwall is mentioned and Varrics book is brought up at the end. Cassandra was a intense character with a lot of anger issues but it was interesting to see her grow and "soften" in some regard as she gains more experience with mages who are not blood mages.

I think the biggest surprise is that there are in fact horses in the world of Dragon Age.

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Oh yeah - skinny horses!

And we found out from the special features that Seekers are basically DA spectres.

I kept expecting Cassandra's ponytail to get cut off by some foe in the heat of the final battle, but it never happened. Sad.

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brushyourteeth wrote...

Oh yeah - skinny horses!

And we found out from the special features that Seekers are basically DA spectres.

I kept expecting Cassandra's ponytail to get cut off by some foe in the heat of the final battle, but it never happened. Sad.


It would've explained her shorter hair in DA2.  LOL!  Not that Cassandra looked old in DA2 but Dawn of the Seeker made her look really young and it turns out to be parallel in time to the events in or near the end of DA2.

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Yakko77 wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Oh yeah - skinny horses!

And we found out from the special features that Seekers are basically DA spectres.

I kept expecting Cassandra's ponytail to get cut off by some foe in the heat of the final battle, but it never happened. Sad.


It would've explained her shorter hair in DA2.  LOL!  Not that Cassandra looked old in DA2 but Dawn of the Seeker made her look really young and it turns out to be parallel in time to the events in or near the end of DA2.



I thought it was some sort of prequel or something.  In DA 2 she looks like she could be in her mid 30s or so.  In the movie she looks like she could be in her mid 20s.  But when the one guy mentioned the Kirkwall incident I was kind of taken by suprise.

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I didn't mind it. I went into it expecting campyness and didn't come away disappointed.


*Spoiler*
I think my favourite part was when the Knight-Commander stopped by to trope it up and divulge his plan, but when asked who the co-conspirator was, he dismissed the request stating he didn't have the time to discuss such things. I like to imagine he went in with 5 minutes allotted for arrogant bragging to his captor and once that time was up, he knew he had to stick to his schedule.

I was howling when it happened :P
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I thought it was some sort of prequel or something. In DA 2 she looks like she could be in her mid 30s or so. In the movie she looks like she could be in her mid 20s. But when the one guy mentioned the Kirkwall incident I was kind of taken by suprise.


This caught me too, though I remembered that the framed narrative has the interrogation taking place possibly some time after the actual events of Kirkwall.

Note: I wouldn't read too much into the perceived age based on the art style, because FUNimation had their own take on the art style based upon the genre and whatever other creative licenses they felt like using.

Though I did find it kind of neat seeing the DA stuff in game and recognizing it.
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So now DA is a anime series? Not cool.

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Ukki wrote...

So now DA is a anime series? Not cool.


It's more of a one off "movie"

I would not mind watching an anime season of DA2 but Funmation would not be my choice. Xebec or JCstaff perhaps.

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I just watched it twice.I liked it.Story was good,would have bought it as a DLC.Still stupid looking bad/evil guy.,Elves ears were no longer donkeyfied.Yeah I saw the fat elf and WTF??Really liked Cassandra and the fact the chantry/seekers in the presence of the Divine don't seem as evil as in Kirkwall.Might have mages on boothsides in a Civil war.Also Cassandra is Champion and the Right hand of the Divine.Had the art work preview for ME movie and based on the Art the movie will blow chunks.A M rated game will have a movie with kids on board the Normandy,james was shown just not on the Normandy same with an Asari or two.

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thats1evildude wrote...
Blood magic is actually supposed to work on ogres, but not golems. You're controlling the subject through the blood in their veins, not their soul.

I guess that's not a huge problem, since blood magic has all sorts of unspecified abilities and this isn't a big plot point.

I do not think it is sound lore-wise to use blood magic to control golems. The codex explains mind conrol as essentially controlling the brain via the blood. Golems do not have blood or physical brains. That's why I thought to attribute the golems to a control rod. But the better question is how do you get so many golems and ogres in the first place?

Glad to hear this takes place during Hawke's story, though. Justinia V being Divine would have been a huge hole in the story if it took place before 9:34.

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Blacklash93 wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...
Blood magic is actually supposed to work on ogres, but not golems. You're controlling the subject through the blood in their veins, not their soul.

I guess that's not a huge problem, since blood magic has all sorts of unspecified abilities and this isn't a big plot point.

I do not think it is sound lore-wise to use blood magic to control golems. The codex explains mind conrol as essentially controlling the brain via the blood. Golems do not have blood or physical brains. That's why I thought to attribute the golems to a control rod. But the better question is how do you get so many golems and ogres in the first place?

Glad to hear this takes place during Hawke's story, though. Justinia V being Divine would have been a huge hole in the story if it took place before 9:34.


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Blacklash93 wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...
Blood magic is actually supposed to work on ogres, but not golems. You're controlling the subject through the blood in their veins, not their soul.

I guess that's not a huge problem, since blood magic has all sorts of unspecified abilities and this isn't a big plot point.

I do not think it is sound lore-wise to use blood magic to control golems. The codex explains mind conrol as essentially controlling the brain via the blood. Golems do not have blood or physical brains.


What about in Origins when you find a vial of blood with the essence of an ancient elven warrior mage?  It seems with magic the blood can live on out of the body.