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[R2s Muse]

You know, I liked it. I thought the story was pretty good and I was surprised that I liked the characters. For comparison, I thought it was much better than Redemption. I suppose knowing it was anime prepared me for some reality defying action... but throughout I found myself saying over and over, "Cassandra is a bad ass."  Her dragon killing was a little over the top... but she was supposed to be an expert, so at least it had some basis. The mage was charming... in an Anders/Rhys clone sorta way, which according to the extras is the "leading man" that "certain" of us fans like to see. LOL

One thing I didn't like was the sort of rotoscope feel to the animation. Almost like they digitally rendered it, then went back in and painted over it to make it "animated." :shrug: The contrast of coloring between the saturated, face tones and the realism of the armors and environments was jarring for me, and kept giving me bad flashbacks to that  horrible Ralpha Bakshi Lord of the Rings. :shudder:

I have more lore questions now, though, than answers.

1. Given the reference about "what happened in Kirkwall" clearly this happens after Act 3 (9:37), but (shortly?) before Cass goes to find Varric (9:40) and the final events of Asunder (9:40). Estimating how long it would take Cass to track down Varric once she's given the book... I would guess the movie takes place around 9:39? Doesn't seem like a whole lotta time for character development there.

2. What is the High Seeker with respect to a Lord Seeker? I was hoping for more insight into what the templar and Seeker organizational chart looks like...  and now just have more questions. I did like seeing the templars and seekers snipe at each other, but I'm still wonder about the extent of the authority given to the Seekers of Truth, specifically the Lord Seeker over the entire Templar Order.  We did learn that Seekers are the best of the best of the templars, hand picked by the Divine, and that they basically have carte blanche to investigate and act on anything they want, regardless of Chantry law or permission or paperwork. (Of course... that doesn't explain why not a single Seeker or templar used any smiting or cleansing talents throughout the entire movie... )

3. Is Cass the new High Seeker? Or just the Divine's "right hand"? But... I thought Leliana was the Divine's right hand...? or was that the left? Confused. But we did learn that Cass is the "Hero of Orlais." That was pretty cool.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 02 juin 2012 - 04:21 .

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Oh yeah - skinny horses!

And we found out from the special features that Seekers are basically DA spectres.

I kept expecting Cassandra's ponytail to get cut off by some foe in the heat of the final battle, but it never happened. Sad.

LOL I was totally expecting her pony to get cut off at some point, too!

Modifié par R2s Muse, 02 juin 2012 - 03:41 .

[brushyourteeth]

R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

I kept expecting Cassandra's ponytail to get cut off by some foe in the heat of the final battle, but it never happened. Sad.

LOL I was totally expecting her pony to get cut off at some point, too!

I mean, that ponytail just had it coming. If she'd worn it down or up in a bun I could see it being safe from swordslash, but she was basically begging for a free haircut with that thing swanging around.

[PaulSX]

R2s Muse wrote...

For comparison, I thought it was much better than Redemption.

DotS has better production value. but to be honest, I favor redemption over this anime, since we learned another side of Qun in that movie, while in DotS, there is nothing new, it's just a tie-in for dragon age II.

[haroldhardluck]

Here's my thoughts after seeing the movie.

The Seeker movie is a standard anime movie in terms of plot, animation and character. Cassandra is your standard young, impulsive and angry fighter who matures, learns restraint and gains wisdom in the course of the movie. This is a standard cliche in Japanese fantasy animes. The quality of the animation is above average for anime. The plot has the usual holes like how do the templars keep finding Cassandra? But it makes sense overall. The problem is I cannot see how it fits in with the story in Asunder. I think Seeker takes place before the events in Asunder.

The movie is yet another parallel story that takes place after the mage revolt in Kirkwall and ends with Cassandra being given the mission that takes her to Kirkwall to interview Varric.

The most interesting aspect of the movie is the commentary by Bioware's people in the specials on the DVD. Basically the major characters in the movie such as Gaylan and Cassandra are significant charavters in the canon as Bioware defines it and may well appear in future games. So like Flemeth they may appear and be a major NPC.

Harold

[PinkDiamondstl]

I still have yet to see this...

[PaulSX]

haroldhardluck wrote...

The problem is I cannot see how it fits in with the story in Asunder. I think Seeker takes place before the events in Asunder.

The movie is yet another parallel story that takes place after the mage
revolt in Kirkwall and ends with Cassandra being given the mission that
takes her to Kirkwall to interview Varric.

Yeah, the events in this anime should happen right after the end of Dragon Age II and before Asunder. but I want to point out that Cassandra went to Ferelden searching for the Warden first (according to Dragon Age II). I guess after the events of Asunder, Leliana somehow joined Cassandra's group, then they went to Kirkwall and interrogated Varric.

[Tommyspa]

Mine comes in the mail today, cannot wait.

Modifié par Tommyspa, 02 juin 2012 - 08:20 .

[T764]

Chiramu wrote...

 The elf girl in the trailers is what turned me off even watching this film :<. I'm sick to death of the Japanese making the "elf" girls these sweet and innocent looking little girls >.>...

If the Japanese make the girls strong and independant is the day I'll watch and enjoy a Japanese cartoon. 

But for that you need at least a female Japanese writer, no doubt Dawn of the Seeker was written by a chauvinistic Japanese man >.<.

It would also be nice to see an evil guy who was fully in control of themselves but was absolutely crazy. A sociopath villain would be a nice change in the DA world :<.

This thread is awesome though , I'm glad I didn't buy this cartoon.  

The only writing credit i can find is for a Yank, so make of that what you will.

[R2s Muse]

suntzuxi wrote...

haroldhardluck wrote...

The problem is I cannot see how it fits in with the story in Asunder. I think Seeker takes place before the events in Asunder.

The movie is yet another parallel story that takes place after the mage
revolt in Kirkwall and ends with Cassandra being given the mission that
takes her to Kirkwall to interview Varric.

Yeah, the events in this anime should happen right after the end of Dragon Age II and before Asunder. but I want to point out that Cassandra went to Ferelden searching for the Warden first (according to Dragon Age II). I guess after the events of Asunder, Leliana somehow joined Cassandra's group, then they went to Kirkwall and interrogated Varric.

But then, Leliana was already working as one of the Divine's "hands" during DA2 as well, with that whole Sister Nightingale thing during Act 3. Besides the fact that she's been friends with Dorothea for years. So I would imagine that Lel has been closer with the Divine for much longer than Cassandra.

The thing about Cass coming to Kirkwall during DA2, I don't know that that's canon now since they left it out. Whereas the movie, it seems, is canon.

I agree that the movie's events (at least up to the Divine giving Cass the book) would have to happen before the end of the Asunder (9:40), then the templars split from the Divine and the war officially starts, and then Cass finally finds Varric (since they discuss the templar split).

Of course, to my mind, the timing in Asunder itself isn't really self-consistent either. Most of the book talks about it happening a year after the "events" in Kirkwall, i.e. 9:38, but every other date mentioned suggests something closer to 9:39/9:40, with the book ending in 9:40. So I think we can just add this movie in with a strange twist in the time continuum that mushes together everything that happened between Act 3 and Varric's interrogation... and maybe trimming a year off to maximize impact of those "events in Kirkwall." Note that the new comics start in 9:38 as well...

[HiroVoid]

I wouldn't worry too much about the movie in the realms of canon. Its like using it as an example of how you can cut down dozens of mages with them firing no spells at you, and destroying a golem's leg in one swing.

[R2s Muse]

HiroVoid wrote...

I wouldn't worry too much about the movie in the realms of canon. Its like using it as an example of how you can cut down dozens of mages with them firing no spells at you, and destroying a golem's leg in one swing.

LOL Right. And most mages prefer to fight hand to hand with their staves (staffs?). Forgot about that. I guess I figured at least the lore would be canon, since they bothered to say so. Hmm... <_<

[brushyourteeth]

I really can't confirm that DAII says that Cassandra went to Ferelden looking for the Warden (it may have been Leliana or another agent who did that) but I do know that at the end of DotS Cassandra's given the book she brings to Varric's and the task of unraveling all the mystery around the Gallows rebellion. So I honestly think the beginning events of DotS were happening maybe just a few months after the end of Meredith's life, giving the Chantry enough time to pull together that incomplete report and Hawke enough time to get outta dodge.

Once the Kirkwall Chantry blew up, if the Divine was attacked publicly by blood mages while Circles around Thedas began to rebel, she probably thought "yeah, we're in over our heads and we may need to find a specialist who can deal with this." I see Cassandra packing up her things, getting a haircut, and heading straight to Kirkwall at the end of the movie.

If Cassandra did go to Ferelden searching for the Warden, it may have been something she did with Byron & Co. before the opening events of the movie. I mean it's impressive that she becomes the Divine's right hand, but even your run-of-the-mill Seeker is incredibly elite. She didn't need to climb any higher than that to have been on such an important mission.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 02 juin 2012 - 02:16 .

[Ihatebadgames]

I've thought for awhile that Hawke and the Warden were not the main characters and that was why Hawke was so wimpy and unable to influence events. We've been playing the game with the junior team,not the varsity.Lelianna,the Divine,An old woman who talks too much,Enchantment,and now Cassandra are the real main characters,maybe Anders was also.But I did like the movie and do recommend it,as a rental if you are unsure.

[Rorschachinstein]

Am I led to believe the little Elf girl(who can control Dragons) is going to be important in the future.



It's a 10 year old who can control Dragons!
The horror. So much power

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

I really can't confirm that DAII says that Cassandra went to Ferelden looking for the Warden (it may have been Leliana or another agent who did that) but I do know that at the end of DotS Cassandra's given the book she brings to Varric's and the task of unraveling all the mystery around the Gallows rebellion. So I honestly think the beginning events of DotS were happening maybe just a few months after the end of Meredith's life, giving the Chantry enough time to pull together that incomplete report and Hawke enough time to get outta dodge.

Once the Kirkwall Chantry blew up, if the Divine was attacked publicly by blood mages while Circles around Thedas began to rebel, she probably thought "yeah, we're in over our heads and we may need to find a specialist who can deal with this." I see Cassandra packing up her things, getting a haircut, and heading straight to Kirkwall at the end of the movie.

If Cassandra did go to Ferelden searching for the Warden, it may have been something she did with Byron & Co. before the opening events of the movie. I mean it's impressive that she becomes the Divine's right hand, but even your run-of-the-mill Seeker is incredibly elite. She didn't need to climb any higher than that to have been on such an important mission.

I wonder if Cassandra ever got involved with the Warden search. That would be interesting. I always figured she and Leliana used teamwork and split up the tasks. I agree that after the events of the movie, it would make sense for Cassandra to head right out and take care of business. Maybe catch that haircut along the way...

The thing about the timing, though, is that during Varric's interrogation he mentions that the templars have split from the Divine, and that doesn't happen until 9:40 (plus all the hoo ha about how the game is supposed to cover a decade). So I can't help but think that the Cassandra book thing had to happen much later than Meredith's death (9:37), unless Cass was trucking around Ferelden first or it took her a couple years after getting the book to actually find Varric...? It could also be that there was a lot of time between the main events of the movie and the book handoff, although the events of the movie certainly sound like the 'coming storm' mentioned by the Divine, or whatever. The other idea I've had is that maybe Act 3 was much longer than Acts 1 & 2, whose durations seem to be vanishingly small such that the game can start in 9:30 then have 4 years of interludes (1+3) before having the Champion crowned in 9:34.

I wish someone who knew could tell us... she said wistfully.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 02 juin 2012 - 09:05 .

[R2s Muse]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

I've thought for awhile that Hawke and the Warden were not the main characters and that was why Hawke was so wimpy and unable to influence events. We've been playing the game with the junior team,not the varsity.Lelianna,the Divine,An old woman who talks too much,Enchantment,and now Cassandra are the real main characters,maybe Anders was also.But I did like the movie and do recommend it,as a rental if you are unsure.

LMAO... interesting point!

[Tommyspa]

I was really impressed how they were able to adhere to the lore and make up there own (I assume) about Avexis and her gaining the ability to control dragons because Frenic kept bloating her dragon and drake blood. And Cassandra crashing a dragon into another dragon to save The Divine. And then Frenic's Desire demon vs the high dragon was beyond epic too, who knew you could push a dragon's fireball back into its mouth and blow it up?The only real oversight may have been the golems being controlled by blood magic, but all we know about that is that Origins made it so we couldn't based on gameplay. Can we control golems with an upgraded blood slave in DA2? The dialog was a bit dodgy in places but it did serves its purpose well. Solid 4 out of 5 for the movie. Many times during the special features they mentioned how this story is canon. Given a liberty for the flashiness which is clearly obviously. Ended on an awesome note with her getting the book that sparked her pursuit in DA2.

[Reznore57]

There's a 10 years old girl that can control DRAGONS!!
I just hate that kind of thing , the miraculous child blablabla ...
Just Kill it with fire :s.

[Tommyspa]

Reznore57 wrote...

There's a 10 years old girl that can control DRAGONS!!
I just hate that kind of thing , the miraculous child blablabla ...
Just Kill it with fire :s.

She only gains the ability by being force fed dragon and drake blood by a blood mage, that diffuses the miraculous part.

[Reznore57]

Oh ok so it's not her fault .Still dragon are supposed to be scary ...not i imagine a little girl petting them , putting ribbons on them ,and give them pet names.
Thought i love Pete's Dragon from Disney
Wonder if she can pet Flemeth

[Tommyspa]

^ Now "that" would be something. (But I should say she does inherently have the ability to control animals, just not dragons right out of the box as it were.) Certainly the scene where she is giggling and skipping around Cassandra and Galyan after the battle might imply as much. She spends most of the movie being controlled by Frenic and in a daze.

[haroldhardluck]

suntzuxi wrote...
Yeah, the events in this anime should happen right after the end of Dragon Age II and before Asunder. but I want to point out that Cassandra went to Ferelden searching for the Warden first (according to Dragon Age II). I guess after the events of Asunder, Leliana somehow joined Cassandra's group, then they went to Kirkwall and interrogated Varric.

Since Cassandra reports to Leliana after interviewing Varric, it appears that Leliana is the higher ranking Seeker, We know from the events in Act 3 that Leliana is working on something for the Divine that has nothing to do with what Cassandra is doing with Varric.

The implications is the Divine has more than one iron in the fire. Leliana seems to have been given the task of locating the Warden and checking out the mages in Kirkwall. This means that Leliana has been working for the Divine for longer than Cassandra. Cassandra has been given the task of finding out what really happened in Kirkwall as it is clear from her statements and questions that what is known to the Seekers is very different from what actually happened. There is nothing in the movie or DA2 that indicates that this is Cassandra's sole task. So any time gaps can be explained by Cassandra doing other stuff on the way to Kirkwall.

Harold

[haroldhardluck]

Ihatebadgames wrote...
I've thought for awhile that Hawke and the Warden were not the main characters and that was why Hawke was so wimpy and unable to influence events. We've been playing the game with the junior team,not the varsity.Lelianna,the Divine,An old woman who talks too much,Enchantment,and now Cassandra are the real main characters,maybe Anders was also.But I did like the movie and do recommend it,as a rental if you are unsure.

From the Bioware people's comments in the specials on the Seeker DVD, the real main character in both games is really the world of Dragon Age. Hawke and the Warden are supporting characters whose story show what the world is like.

Harold

[brushyourteeth]

According to the DA wiki (make of that what you will) the Templar split from the Chantry and Cassandra's interrogation of Varric both took place in the same year - 9:40 Dragon.

So my guess is events were progressing pretty rapidly in Orlais during the time of the movie. Civil war and mage rebellion were both probably taking place during the same time of that celebration where the Divine was attacked (by mages, which may have been the last straw for Lambert). Somewhere between the big dragon fight at the Grand Cathedral courtyard and Cassandra's arrival in Kirkwall (maybe even before the cutscene where the Divine sends her out on her mission) the Templars probably announced their split from the Chantry.