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[Ihatebadgames]

haroldhardluck wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...
Yeah, the events in this anime should happen right after the end of Dragon Age II and before Asunder. but I want to point out that Cassandra went to Ferelden searching for the Warden first (according to Dragon Age II). I guess after the events of Asunder, Leliana somehow joined Cassandra's group, then they went to Kirkwall and interrogated Varric.

Since Cassandra reports to Leliana after interviewing Varric, it appears that Leliana is the higher ranking Seeker, We know from the events in Act 3 that Leliana is working on something for the Divine that has nothing to do with what Cassandra is doing with Varric.

The implications is the Divine has more than one iron in the fire. Leliana seems to have been given the task of locating the Warden and checking out the mages in Kirkwall. This means that Leliana has been working for the Divine for longer than Cassandra. Cassandra has been given the task of finding out what really happened in Kirkwall as it is clear from her statements and questions that what is known to the Seekers is very different from what actually happened. There is nothing in the movie or DA2 that indicates that this is Cassandra's sole task. So any time gaps can be explained by Cassandra doing other stuff on the way to Kirkwall.

Harold

Well Cassandra is the "Right Hand "of the Divine and Leliana is the "Left Hand"of the Divine who does things in a way that the Divine herself might not want to know about or be associated with.Since they are both staff,I see them more as equals with Leliana having more time in grade.

[haroldhardluck]

brushyourteeth wrote...
According to the DA wiki (make of that what you will) the Templar split from the Chantry and Cassandra's interrogation of Varric both took place in the same year - 9:40 Dragon.

The Templars have immunity to magic and can dispel magical effects. But everything indicates they are recruited from devoted but otherwise normal people. This raises the question of how do Templar recruits get this ability? We know that lyrium is needed but that is all that is stated. If the Templars get their abilities from secret rituals administered by the Chantry, much like wardens are made through a special ritual only senior wardens know, then no new Templars can be created to boster the ranks of the rebel Templars. It would be very stupid of the Chantry to not have some control over the Templars other than withholding lyrium as the games establishes that lyrium smuggling has been around for a while.

I suspect the rebellion of the Templars is not universal. There are still loyal Templars which would make the political and military situation very uncertain.

Harold

[Blacklash93]

I wonder why Varric wouldn't have recognized Cassandra as the Hero of Orlais when she gave him her name. As a storyteller I'd expect Varric especially to have heard something as major as that.

Anyway if there's one character I'd like to see in the future it's Avexis. Mages born with very particular abilities are mentioned in the codex but I don't think we've actually seen one until now.

Wish I could say the same for Cass' mage companion, but cheesy anime dialogue (with your typical wise-cracking DA personality) and his character soley being based around the idea and token portrayal that not all mages are bad doesn't make him interesting by any means.

Actually Avexis and her powers did disappoint me in a way though. Seeing dragons in an organized attack before release, in light of the plot of the Silent Grove comic, was making me hope we'd learn more about the hidden nature of dragons beyond the few cryptic hints in the comic that dragons are more than just animals.

[Camthalon]

 Honestly, I didn't mind it too much.  Wasn't a huge fan of the animation style choice, but it wasn't horrible.  

The story...  It was alright, I suppose, though it felt... Rushed?  Like they tried condensing too much in the short timeframe and filled in gaps with poorly done flashbacks.  

[LobselVith8]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

so it sounds like there is a lot of blood (all of it) in making a golem.  So you can control golems through blood magic.  Your honor, I rest my case.

We know the Anvil is used in creating golems, but even though the process is compared to blood magic, that doesn't really explain how a blood mage can control a stone or steel soldier who seems to have no blood, and is specifically designed to obey the person holding a control rod.

[andraip]

I really liked it,

the animation is a bit strange but I got used to it, and the action scenes are pretty well done and often you could see killing moves from Dragon Age.

And most importantly:

HORSES yay, and even horse combat
a fat elf, never thought to see that
blood mage metamorphosing into pride demon, I know, nothing special, but I liked the way the animation was done, it looked realistic (as realistic as such thing can look anyway) not like the *puff* and pride demon appears in the games.

[jbrand2002uk]

I would love love to watch it but cant either on DVD or Zune because some bright spark decided that even though USA speaks similar English to the United Kingdom that fans in the United Kingdom cant get a DVD encoded to our region or even view it through Zune on our Xbox's or PS3's whoever made that decision needs a good kick in the head or several sweet roll arrows to both knees

[rapscallioness]

Tommyspa wrote...

I was really impressed how they were able to adhere to the lore and make up there own (I assume) about Avexis and her gaining the ability to control dragons because Frenic kept bloating her dragon and drake blood. And Cassandra crashing a dragon into another dragon to save The Divine. And then Frenic's Desire demon vs the high dragon was beyond epic too, who knew you could push a dragon's fireball back into its mouth and blow it up?The only real oversight may have been the golems being controlled by blood magic, but all we know about that is that Origins made it so we couldn't based on gameplay. Can we control golems with an upgraded blood slave in DA2? The dialog was a bit dodgy in places but it did serves its purpose well. Solid 4 out of 5 for the movie. Many times during the special features they mentioned how this story is canon. Given a liberty for the flashiness which is clearly obviously. Ended on an awesome note with her getting the book that sparked her pursuit in DA2.

Indeed at the bolded. And all of the above. Just finished watching it. I rather enjoyed it. It was good fun.

I hope to see more of Cass and the Seekers in DA3.

Edit: as far as Avexis..who knows, maybe her and old god baby could become buds. They're of an age, aren't they? What a duo that would be....

Modifié par rapscallioness, 04 juin 2012 - 12:52 .

[suprhomre]

Dawn of the seeker is a must watch for any Dragon Age fan. If you have not watch it I suggest you order the dvd/br now. I give the movie 10/10. Also the ending was one million times better then Mass Effect 3 ending.

[PaulSX]

haroldhardluck wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...
According to the DA wiki (make of that what you will) the Templar split from the Chantry and Cassandra's interrogation of Varric both took place in the same year - 9:40 Dragon.

The Templars have immunity to magic and can dispel magical effects. But everything indicates they are recruited from devoted but otherwise normal people. This raises the question of how do Templar recruits get this ability? We know that lyrium is needed but that is all that is stated. If the Templars get their abilities from secret rituals administered by the Chantry, much like wardens are made through a special ritual only senior wardens know, then no new Templars can be created to boster the ranks of the rebel Templars. It would be very stupid of the Chantry to not have some control over the Templars other than withholding lyrium as the games establishes that lyrium smuggling has been around for a while.

I suspect the rebellion of the Templars is not universal. There are still loyal Templars which would make the political and military situation very uncertain.

Harold

but the main issue here is how they control the lyrium. the only explanation for lyrium issue is that the seekers are handling this since they are the only force the chantry can directly command. The real variable here is the seeker order, if they rebelled from the Chantry, then Chantry basically has no power. Clearly at the end of Asunder and Dragon age II, we can see that the seekers are splitted into two groups: Rebels (led by Lambert) and loyalists (led by Cassandra).

[PaulSX]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

haroldhardluck wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...
Yeah, the events in this anime should happen right after the end of Dragon Age II and before Asunder. but I want to point out that Cassandra went to Ferelden searching for the Warden first (according to Dragon Age II). I guess after the events of Asunder, Leliana somehow joined Cassandra's group, then they went to Kirkwall and interrogated Varric.

Since Cassandra reports to Leliana after interviewing Varric, it appears that Leliana is the higher ranking Seeker, We know from the events in Act 3 that Leliana is working on something for the Divine that has nothing to do with what Cassandra is doing with Varric.

The implications is the Divine has more than one iron in the fire. Leliana seems to have been given the task of locating the Warden and checking out the mages in Kirkwall. This means that Leliana has been working for the Divine for longer than Cassandra. Cassandra has been given the task of finding out what really happened in Kirkwall as it is clear from her statements and questions that what is known to the Seekers is very different from what actually happened. There is nothing in the movie or DA2 that indicates that this is Cassandra's sole task. So any time gaps can be explained by Cassandra doing other stuff on the way to Kirkwall.

Harold

Well Cassandra is the "Right Hand "of the Divine and Leliana is the "Left Hand"of the Divine who does things in a way that the Divine herself might not want to know about or be associated with.Since they are both staff,I see them more as equals with Leliana having more time in grade.

My guess is leliana is just an agent who served as ‘legate’, but Cassandra directly commands the rest seeker loyalists.

[R2s Muse]

suntzuxi wrote...

Ihatebadgames wrote...

haroldhardluck wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...
Yeah, the events in this anime should happen right after the end of Dragon Age II and before Asunder. but I want to point out that Cassandra went to Ferelden searching for the Warden first (according to Dragon Age II). I guess after the events of Asunder, Leliana somehow joined Cassandra's group, then they went to Kirkwall and interrogated Varric.

Since Cassandra reports to Leliana after interviewing Varric, it appears that Leliana is the higher ranking Seeker, We know from the events in Act 3 that Leliana is working on something for the Divine that has nothing to do with what Cassandra is doing with Varric.

The implications is the Divine has more than one iron in the fire. Leliana seems to have been given the task of locating the Warden and checking out the mages in Kirkwall. This means that Leliana has been working for the Divine for longer than Cassandra. Cassandra has been given the task of finding out what really happened in Kirkwall as it is clear from her statements and questions that what is known to the Seekers is very different from what actually happened. There is nothing in the movie or DA2 that indicates that this is Cassandra's sole task. So any time gaps can be explained by Cassandra doing other stuff on the way to Kirkwall.

Harold

Well Cassandra is the "Right Hand "of the Divine and Leliana is the "Left Hand"of the Divine who does things in a way that the Divine herself might not want to know about or be associated with.Since they are both staff,I see them more as equals with Leliana having more time in grade.

My guess is leliana is just an agent who served as ‘legate’, but Cassandra directly commands the rest seeker loyalists.

This is sort of what I figured, is that Leliana is still just a bard playing "the game" in that she probably doesn't officially exist and therefore has no official title or role. It reminds me of something else of interest. David Gaider has said that Leliana is not a Seeker. But, he also said something suggesting Seekers may have no uniform... but then in the DVD extras one of the design guys was talking about how the symbol on Cassandra's armor was at least specific to the Seekers of Truth. How it's the Chantry sun with an eye representing Truth. Interesting...

[Jerrybnsn]

suprhomre wrote...

Dawn of the seeker is a must watch for any Dragon Age fan. If you have not watch it I suggest you order the dvd/br now. I give the movie 10/10. Also the ending was one million times better then Mass Effect 3 ending.

Any ending is better than Mass Effect 3's ending because we only got to see just a snippet of what that ending was about.  The fully expounded ending was always meant to be dlc.

[Ihatebadgames]

Leliana is not a Seeker,true.But Cassandra is polite when asking Leliana a question at the end of DA2,and as we have seen in the movie,Cass is not big on manners to people that don't out rank her.Though we've only seen a short window into her life,it could also be people she just does not like.

[R2s Muse]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

Leliana is not a Seeker,true.But Cassandra is polite when asking Leliana a question at the end of DA2,and as we have seen in the movie,Cass is not big on manners to people that don't out rank her.Though we've only seen a short window into her life,it could also be people she just does not like.

Also agree... I personally think that, whatever Leliana is, she probably outranks just about everyone...  Cass certainly seems like she's reporting to Lel at the end of DA2.

[brushyourteeth]

I'm guilty of making the Seeker assumption about Leliana too. She's definitely an agent of the Divine though, as that's why she comes to Kirkwall and Elthina seems to know something about her. We also know from "Asunder" that she's working for the Divine and often with her. I agree that she probably outranks just about everyone. She and Dorothea have known each other for a looong time and is probably just about the only person the Divine trusts completely.

[ZombieGerbil]

I kind of enjoyed it. It really had me appreciating Cassandra more.
But I was kind of confused by Cassandra's looks of age in the comparison between DA2 and the movie. Also: - spoiler alert -

*Spoiler*
When she was given that same book in the movie from DA2.
*Spoiler*

I honestly thought the movie was a prequel. I mean, the way it all happened, it had to be.

But in the movie it they said AFTER Kirkwall... so yea.

-confused-

Modifié par ZombieGerbil, 04 juin 2012 - 07:15 .

[Face of Evil]

Dawn of the Seeker takes place during the time gap between the battle with Meredith and Cassandra's interrogation of Varric.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 04 juin 2012 - 07:23 .

[R2s Muse]

brushyourteeth wrote...

I'm guilty of making the Seeker assumption about Leliana too. She's definitely an agent of the Divine though, as that's why she comes to Kirkwall and Elthina seems to know something about her. We also know from "Asunder" that she's working for the Divine and often with her. I agree that she probably outranks just about everyone. She and Dorothea have known each other for a looong time and is probably just about the only person the Divine trusts completely.

What's also funny is that the Divine apparently has lots of "hands." In Leliana's codex she is the right hand of the Divine. In Elthina's dialogue she is the left hand of the Divine. In Asunder, the Lord Seeker is called by Evangeline the hand of the Divine, and Lambert calls the Seekers of Truth "the Chantry's right hand." 

[berelinde]

Face of Evil wrote...

Dawn of the Seeker takes place during the time gap between the battle with Meredith and Cassandra's interrogation of Varric.

Yup. So does Asunder. Unless I'm mistaken, the sequence is:
1 Anders does his spoilery light show
2 Dawn of the Seeker (a few months later)
3 Asunder (a year later)
4 Cassandra interrogates Varric


And yes, R2, the Divine is an octopus.

Modifié par berelinde, 04 juin 2012 - 08:42 .

[R2s Muse]

berelinde wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

Dawn of the Seeker takes place during the time gap between the battle with Meredith and Cassandra's interrogation of Varric.

Yup. So does Asunder. Unless I'm mistaken, the sequence is:
1 Anders does his spoilery light show
2 Dawn of the Seeker (a few months later)
3 Asunder (a year later)
4 Cassandra interrogates Varric

This is my current understanding as well... adding in that I think the Divine gives Cass the book in between points 3 & 4. I still can't imagine it would take Cassandra that long to find Varric.

And yes, R2, the Divine is an octopus.

That conjures disturbing images...   [EDIT: Or she's actually a Hindu goddess with multiple arms...]

Modifié par R2s Muse, 04 juin 2012 - 10:50 .

[thats1evildude]

Or maybe she's a Marilith.

[axan22]

Just finnished watching i actually really enjoyed it and thought it stayed very tru to the dragon age themes storylines etc, i wasnt sure at first about teh 2d/3d but by the end i actually really liked it, i thought the characters were well written and believeable and were given aenough back story to make you actually feel for the characters. the only thing i wasnt so keen in was the opening battle with the blood mages/templars, a lot more magic would ahve been nice as if u tried to play any of the games as a mage using only ur staff and arcane bolt u would get killed as easily as they did, so a few more spells and templar abilities would have been nice.

Aldo the whole the dragon riding thing at the end was a little far fetched as was the cliff drop but that could have been explained wioth one line from the mage.

But overall i thought it was a very good effort and hopefully will strengthem the whole of the dragon age series although if they keep half finnishing the story lines in the game and skipping planned expansion they are gogin to loose more fans, but more films like this would be great, i see it as i tie into to dragon age 3. but please complete the story line or do the expansion.

[axan22]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I didn't mind it. I went into it expecting campyness and didn't come away disappointed.


*Spoiler*
I think my favourite part was when the Knight-Commander stopped by to trope it up and divulge his plan, but when asked who the co-conspirator was, he dismissed the request stating he didn't have the time to discuss such things. I like to imagine he went in with 5 minutes allotted for arrogant bragging to his captor and once that time was up, he knew he had to stick to his schedule.

I was howling when it happened

Yes Frenic may have come across as a little melodramatic at times, but i certainly wasnt expecitng campy from the film and didnt get that feeling from it at all, i thought it was well written and most of the characters were very believeable, and find it a little disheartening that a member of the bioware is kinda slating the film as a campy laugh, do you think the same about the games? and comment like this may put other from even giving the film a chance.

[MKDAWUSS]

R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

I'm guilty of making the Seeker assumption about Leliana too. She's definitely an agent of the Divine though, as that's why she comes to Kirkwall and Elthina seems to know something about her. We also know from "Asunder" that she's working for the Divine and often with her. I agree that she probably outranks just about everyone. She and Dorothea have known each other for a looong time and is probably just about the only person the Divine trusts completely.

What's also funny is that the Divine apparently has lots of "hands." In Leliana's codex she is the right hand of the Divine. In Elthina's dialogue she is the left hand of the Divine. In Asunder, the Lord Seeker is called by Evangeline the hand of the Divine, and Lambert calls the Seekers of Truth "the Chantry's right hand." 

I guess the Divine is like... Emperor Palpatine, with a legion of "Hands" to do one's bidding...