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Dragon Age: Dawn of the Seeker Review and Discussion Thread [Spoilers]


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Just watched it.
Damn , the Divine did really put all the drama in the expression "embrace destiny"!
I liked it , the animations were good , the story was ok .
But it goes to adult content with a lot of gore and very simple (almost childish) storyline and cliche.
Cassandra , hating mage for killing her familly /facepalm then losing her father figure (saw that coming miles away) and almost falling in love with the nice mage in a couple of days...
Besides where does the mages gather so much ogre , dragons , and golem ? That was a bit ridiculous.
Everybody in the end cheerfully crying "For The Chantry !" /puke.
It's worth watching but again the writing fails to make it something that really stands out.
It makes the chantry looks like a very nice order of very nice people , (what about those poor city elves ?).
It's a good entertainment , and a good anime .But it fails to deliver the complexity of Dragon Age.

(thanks BrushYourTeeth , for your nice review and pm .I may complain a bit but I'm glad i watch it :D)

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R2s Muse wrote...
What's also funny is that the Divine apparently has lots of "hands." In Leliana's codex she is the right hand of the Divine. In Elthina's dialogue she is the left hand of the Divine. In Asunder, the Lord Seeker is called by Evangeline the hand of the Divine, and Lambert calls the Seekers of Truth "the Chantry's right hand." 


That would make the hands a position that many people can hold rather than a phrase for a uniquely trusted woman.

Harold

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Didn't feel like Dragon Age at all, unfortunately. Mostly felt like a Saturday morning cartoon with gore, the plot was thin and I didn't care much for the exaggerated action scenes (mages using melee?). The villains giving out speeches and revealing their plan was... yeah, including how it was obvious who were the antagonists from the start. Aside from feel / plot, didn't care much for the animation and the voice acting was poor among the main cast.

So-so watch if bored and want more Cassandra / sort-of Dragon Age, though I wouldn't recommend it otherwise.

ALSO DRAGON EXPLOSIONS BY MICHAEL BAY

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Looks like I won't bother with it then.

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As anime go, it was OK. However, if I wasn't already a fan of the Dragon Age franchise, I don't know that I would have made the effort. On the other hand, my mother, who watched it with me and knows only a bit about DA from what I've told her, felt that as a stand-alone movie it did quite well in being self contained and didn't rely on the viewer being a player of the games.


--- Pros ---

I did like the animation style. It kept the feel of its origin as a 3d game, but still had the anime aesthetic.

I watch anime in Japanese with subtitles, voices were great as usual for an anime, but oddly I found that the mouth movements were made for English. I'll have to watch it in the future in English and see the difference. The most swoon-worthy was Gackt as the Knight Commander/villain. As it was pointed out to me while watching it, a good or even great villain far outweighs any protagonist actor. For non-anime see Ursula (The Little Mermaid) and Scar (The Lion King). Villains FTW!

I enjoyed the touches of similar armor and weapons from the games. In the final scene where we see several thousand pilgrims, they are all wearing the exact same peasant clothing that is from the games, which I found highly amusing. I also really appreciated that the high dragon, ogres, golems, and pride demon looked exactly the same as the game. It really brought me in as a player. The pride demon especially looked like they used the exact model render.

Mage robes were done well. I was happy to see the featured the Orsino-style robe, as well as variants with pants. PLEASE adopt these for the games.

Galyan was by far my favorite character in the entire movie. He was adorable, but still serious. They didn't go too overboard with him. I could see Anders having turned out similar to him had his life been different.

Being a passive observer of goings on in Thedas was interesting.

Oh and... OMG she has the book at the end!!


--- Cons ---

Unfortunately, my very first experience with this movie was bad. This set comes with 2 discs: disc 1 has the English movie and special features, disc 2 has the Japanese movie. There is a brief intro giving the background of the Chantry and mages. On the Japanese version this was in English, then switched to the Japanese for the rest of the film. It was very irritating, smacked of laziness, and initially caused me to worry that something had gone wrong and I got a dud dvd with 2 English versions or something. Did this play in the Japanese theaters like that? I doubt it.

I found Cassandra to be too angry and rash for the first half of the movie. This caused her to make stupid mistakes that got her mentor killed, and later nearly killing herself. This certainly isn't an anime flaw, but a gimmick that seems to be popular in tv/movies of all sorts. Teenagers are often depicted this way, and it gets quite old. There is no reason for being so angry all the time. And for once, I would like to have some anti-mage behavior that is not related to a person's personal history.

An annoying addition I felt were the massive mob of ogres and golems whose appearance makes no sense with the structure of things as we know them. Other than Wilhelm, who was a special case, mages do not use golems, nor do they use ogres (darkspawn!).

Finally, I was dismayed by the poor showing of mage magic use throughout the anime. Galyan made his excuse by explaining that he was poor with battle magic, but did use it sparingly when the need arose. I found it absolutely ridiculous that I saw mages hitting templars with staffs in the end rescue scene. If the reason for that is supposed to be explained by the templar abilities, it's a poor excuse, since the abilities of templars were never explained or demonstrated. For all intents and purposes, they were just your typical soldiers in armor, and these just happened to be associated with the Chantry. I understand time constraints in a movie and I'm not requiring a full explanation of templar abilities, only one or two lines telling us that templars are needed because they specifically train to fight mages. That's all it would have taken. And the final fights would be have been far more entertaining for it.


All in all, it wasn't abysmal and I'll watch it again. But it wasn't the best movie spinoff I've seen either (that goes to the X movie).

Modifié par nightscrawl, 05 juin 2012 - 11:51 .


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Blacklash93 wrote...

And Chantrys' have confessionals, apparently.

This didn't surprise me. Anders and Sebastian have a conversation about confession.

Anders: So, you were invested as a brother in the chantry, right?
Sebastian: I had just taken my vows when I learned my family was killed.
Anders: But you... gave sermons and took confessions and such, right?
Sebastian: Do you have something you wish to confess?
Anders: I just want to know, what do you say when people have questions?
Anders: What's your answer when someone asks, "so if Andraste preached freedom and ended slavery, why do you lock up mages and keep them as slaves?"
Sebastian: No one ever asked that.


brushyourteeth wrote...

Oh yeah - skinny horses!

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I kept expecting Cassandra's ponytail to get cut off by some foe in the heat of the final battle, but it never happened. Sad.

Oooh I forgot about the horses! Yes, I remember being "they have horses!" while watching.

I also expected her hair to get chopped off. The scene where I though it might happen was near the end when she jumped on the flaming pride demon. When she walked out at the end I thought for sure we were going to see half her hair burned off. Or, this being an anime, she could have cut it off as symbolic for the personal transformation she went through during the movie.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 05 juin 2012 - 10:49 .


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nightscrawl wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Oh yeah - skinny horses!

...

I kept expecting Cassandra's ponytail to get cut off by some foe in the heat of the final battle, but it never happened. Sad.

Oooh I forgot about the horses! Yes, I remember being "they have horses!" while watching.

I also expected her hair to get chopped off. The scene where I though it might happen was near the end when she jumped on the flaming pride demon. When she walked out at the end I thought for sure we were going to see half her hair burned off. Or, this being an anime, she could have cut it off as symbolic for the personal transformation she went through during the movie.


Definitely. Like Mulan!  Image IPB

Can anyone confirm for me whether Cassandra's a warrior or a rogue? I sure thought she was a warrior in DAII, but she's wearing leather armor with a few metal pieces (and no pants) for most of Dawn of the Seeker. She's also dual-wielding, which warriors could do in DA:O but not DAII. Then she's wearing heavy armor at the end of the movie again. Confused!

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brushyourteeth wrote...
Can anyone confirm for me whether Cassandra's a warrior or a rogue? I sure thought she was a warrior in DAII, but she's wearing leather armor with a few metal pieces (and no pants) for most of Dawn of the Seeker. She's also dual-wielding, which warriors could do in DA:O but not DAII. Then she's wearing heavy armor at the end of the movie again. Confused!


Only in games are classifications such as rogue and warrior important and enforced. In movies and books, people are whatever the story requires, If Cassandra has to be a rogue/warrior/mage/pirate/duelist then that is what she is for the movie. In the movie she appears to be a warrior using DAO rules.  In DA2 she seems to be a warrior as well.

Also under both DAO and DA2 rules, rogues can wear heavy armor if they are strong enough. For that matter so can mages. It just does not make sense to make rogues and mages that strong. Warriors can wear any armor they want and it makes sense that Cassandra would run around mostly in light armor for the movie. Her armor for most of the movie is classic Japanese light infantry style armor. The light body armor and bare legs is something that you see all the time in samurai and anime movies as it historically accurate.

Harold

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Ugh, it was okay.

I mean it really felt like they thought this was just going to be a huge cutscene with overkill on drama, comedy and action which can be good... Sometimes.
somethings however were confusing, like the batch of golems and ogres attacking Cassandra and Magic.
I thought golems despite having a spirit in them to make them work could only be controlled with a control rod and even with huge amounts of bloodmagic how is it possible to control that many ogres.
Why do some scenes hang on a certain scenery when in reality it does nothing for the story, were they stretching it so they could call DotS a movie?
What's up with the K-C bringing up Kirkwall when in reality at the epilogue story told by Varric in DA 2 thanks to the champion (could be some) the Circles rebelled.
If so, why the heck are the mages in the movie then?
I really was annoyed though with the Slow-mo effects and how much Cassandra had to have those annoying screams when she's attacking, along with that final fight against the pride demon where basicly says: Vaya con dios.
And her character is rather ignorant and undecisive unlike her character in DA2, the others seem more like a plot device... That's it on the bad part.

Good parts:

Animation...

Uhm, yeah honeslty it was what I thought it would be, average voice acting and an average anime... Nothing wrong with that.

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I'm just going to pretend it didn't happen, and hope that they strike this thing from the canon.

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Yep Grumpyboobyhead really is.......grumpy showing typical critic attitude of overthinking every minor detail.......its a movie it dont matter if a few details are out of kilter.

As for the movie quite simply loved it all voice acting music plot especially the animation style which reminded me of Robotech Shadow Chronicles which was a nice redo of a classic franchise

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The plot was thin and I didn't care much for the exaggerated action scenes. The villains giving out speeches and revealing their plan was... yeah, including how it was obvious who were the antagonists from the start. The voice acting was poor among the main cast.


Edit See page 8.

Modifié par Kingroxas, 07 juillet 2012 - 12:41 .


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brushyourteeth wrote...

nightscrawl wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Oh yeah - skinny horses!

...

I kept expecting Cassandra's ponytail to get cut off by some foe in the heat of the final battle, but it never happened. Sad.

Oooh I forgot about the horses! Yes, I remember being "they have horses!" while watching.

I also expected her hair to get chopped off. The scene where I though it might happen was near the end when she jumped on the flaming pride demon. When she walked out at the end I thought for sure we were going to see half her hair burned off. Or, this being an anime, she could have cut it off as symbolic for the personal transformation she went through during the movie.


Definitely. Like Mulan!  Image IPB

Perfect image! That's exactly what I was thinking!

Can anyone confirm for me whether Cassandra's a warrior or a rogue? I sure thought she was a warrior in DAII, but she's wearing leather armor with a few metal pieces (and no pants) for most of Dawn of the Seeker. She's also dual-wielding, which warriors could do in DA:O but not DAII. Then she's wearing heavy armor at the end of the movie again. Confused!

I was wondering the same thing. She starts out duel wielding, but next fight I think she's sword and boarding it. I was figuring she's just versatile... but indeed, her skirt armor outfit screamed DA:O rogue to me. I'm still betting on warrior, but of course, in the "real world" she could probably just do it all.

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The movie was actually rather enjoyable IMHO. Can't really complain, although it was far from the best anime I have watched, it was good.
I won't try to defend my POV, since I will simply have to spend way to much time pointing out its my choice.

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R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Can anyone confirm for me whether Cassandra's a warrior or a rogue? I sure thought she was a warrior in DAII, but she's wearing leather armor with a few metal pieces (and no pants) for most of Dawn of the Seeker. She's also dual-wielding, which warriors could do in DA:O but not DAII. Then she's wearing heavy armor at the end of the movie again. Confused!


I was wondering the same thing. She starts out duel wielding, but next fight I think she's sword and boarding it. I was figuring she's just versatile... but indeed, her skirt armor outfit screamed DA:O rogue to me. I'm still betting on warrior, but of course, in the "real world" she could probably just do it all.


I like that. I'm rolling with it. Image IPB

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 06 juin 2012 - 04:15 .


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Just finished it, I really liked it, some of the dialogue and voice acting was wonky but allot of it was good.

Casandra doesn't feel like she missed a beat from going from this story to DAII. And i loved her old school DA:O execution of the Kinght-Commander

Also i like how this movie proves Anders Completely and utterly wrong.

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MerchantGOL wrote...

Just finished it, I really liked it, some of the dialogue and voice acting was wonky but allot of it was good.

Casandra doesn't feel like she missed a beat from going from this story to DAII. And i loved her old school DA:O execution of the Kinght-Commander

Also i like how this movie proves Anders Completely and utterly wrong.

Seems like the farther you get away from the divine,the worse the Templers treat the mages.Yeah Anders was wrong but Kirkwall was a mess of tangled snakes from way back,on both sides.
I still feel like you should have been able to chop off his (Anders)head,I don't trust a knife in the back for a mage.

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They should've let everyone die in the end to stir up more fun from the viewers and donate more charity to request a better movie ending.

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Ihatebadgames wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Just finished it, I really liked it, some of the dialogue and voice acting was wonky but allot of it was good.

Casandra doesn't feel like she missed a beat from going from this story to DAII. And i loved her old school DA:O execution of the Kinght-Commander

Also i like how this movie proves Anders Completely and utterly wrong.


I still feel like you should have been able to chop off his (Anders)head,I don't trust a knife in the back for a mage.

yeah justice is a good enough excuse to bring him back in da3 wether u killed him or not.

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brushyourteeth wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Can anyone confirm for me whether Cassandra's a warrior or a rogue? I sure thought she was a warrior in DAII, but she's wearing leather armor with a few metal pieces (and no pants) for most of Dawn of the Seeker. She's also dual-wielding, which warriors could do in DA:O but not DAII. Then she's wearing heavy armor at the end of the movie again. Confused!


I was wondering the same thing. She starts out duel wielding, but next fight I think she's sword and boarding it. I was figuring she's just versatile... but indeed, her skirt armor outfit screamed DA:O rogue to me. I'm still betting on warrior, but of course, in the "real world" she could probably just do it all.


I like that. I'm rolling with it. Image IPB

Ever since we saw Leliana (rogue) wearing the Seeker armor at the end of DA2 I've wondered what kind of organization they are. Clearly ALL Templars are warriors: they wear plate armor, use swords exclusively, and it has been a warrior specialization for both games. However, given that the Seekers are their own thing I don't think it follows that they must necessarily also be wariors. I'm also not sure whether or not they (all or some) train to use similar Templar anti-mage abilities. I think I recall Lord Seeker Lambert drinking a lyrium potion in Asunder, but he was kind of crazy anyway, so I wouldn't take him as standard for all Seekers.

The only reason this is important is because some people want to have Seeker be a warrior spec for DA3, and it would follow that knowing the type of fighters they have is related to that.

All that aside, we need to remember that just because they did something in the movie doesn't necessarily mean it will follow along with game lore or with how Bioware will do things in the future. If for example we have Cassandra as a permanent or temporary companion, they will have to choose a class for her to be.

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Didn't Lambert start out as a Templar? That'd explain the lyrium. Once addicted, always addicted. The Seekers are likely a more broad-based organization. After all, they have to have scouts (rogues) to root out corruption so their main forces can slice it from the body of the Chantry.

I will agree, the "FOR THE CHANTRY!" cries seemed... Forced. Should have been "FOR THE MAKER!" or something more religious.

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I liked it...though it was a bit jarring from seeing her in full armor to a light plate miniskirt but she was badass enough I forgot about it for most of the movie. The voice acting was...decent ,needed to work on the accents but...decent. Didn't like that Speshul Snoflak blonde elf girl thing too much but...

Good enough overall for me.

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Prefer the Japanese. Overall still gives me the feeling I'm watching an extended Fire Emblem cutscene.

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nightscrawl wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Can anyone confirm for me whether Cassandra's a warrior or a rogue? I sure thought she was a warrior in DAII, but she's wearing leather armor with a few metal pieces (and no pants) for most of Dawn of the Seeker. She's also dual-wielding, which warriors could do in DA:O but not DAII. Then she's wearing heavy armor at the end of the movie again. Confused!


I was wondering the same thing. She starts out duel wielding, but next fight I think she's sword and boarding it. I was figuring she's just versatile... but indeed, her skirt armor outfit screamed DA:O rogue to me. I'm still betting on warrior, but of course, in the "real world" she could probably just do it all.


I like that. I'm rolling with it. Image IPB

Ever since we saw Leliana (rogue) wearing the Seeker armor at the end of DA2 I've wondered what kind of organization they are. Clearly ALL Templars are warriors: they wear plate armor, use swords exclusively, and it has been a warrior specialization for both games. However, given that the Seekers are their own thing I don't think it follows that they must necessarily also be wariors. I'm also not sure whether or not they (all or some) train to use similar Templar anti-mage abilities. I think I recall Lord Seeker Lambert drinking a lyrium potion in Asunder, but he was kind of crazy anyway, so I wouldn't take him as standard for all Seekers.

I've been wondering about the Seekers as well. One possible clue is that in the movie they say that Seekers are chosen from the elite of the templars. So, it would follow that they all start out as templars, with their abilities and  presumably their addictions. That said, they also underscore that Seekers are practically above the law and do it all. I wouldn't be surprised if they... diversify upon being chosen. Cassandra still seems to be an apprentice Seeker at first, training under Byron. So if she was a templar first, that sounds like a lot of years of training. Almost like being a Seeker is like getting your Ph.D. in Templar-dom. :P

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One of the things that really stood out for me was the great difference in the art style between environments/effects and the characters themselves. While the environments were fantastic, the lack of detail especially in facial features and expressions leaves much to be desired. For me this difference contributed a consistent feeling of characters lacking in depth.

While the story was alright on a basic level, (I always enjoy more Thedas) character development was a bit simplistic. The story seemed to focus on Cassandra's personal growth but I didn't feel for her as much as I could have.  I may feel this way due to the direction itself, not sure. Could also be that what looks and sounds good/dramatic in Japanese doesn't flow well in English.

Fun to watch, and excellent fighting sequences, but not much more. I think this could have deserved a live feature film trilogy, giving more time to focusing on characters' personal development as well as dialogue and direction designed for English audiences.

Modifié par DahliaLynn, 06 juin 2012 - 01:34 .