Dragon Age: Dawn of the Seeker Review and Discussion Thread [Spoilers]
#151
Posté 12 juin 2012 - 10:43
I wouldn't consider myself particularly au fait with anime, but I thought it definitely had that BioWare stamp on the characters.
I thought it was quite a nice love story, really. Angry lady is contrasted by gentle guy, and there's affection, trust, a softening of her character.
Something like that?
#152
Posté 13 juin 2012 - 02:39
"There are many worse ways to spend 90 minutes of your time. Die-hard lore fans who want to know more about the Divine and the Chantry in Orlais should probably watch it. And I can't shake the gut-level hunch that Cassandra will show up as a party member in Dragon Age III, which would make all this insight into her back story highly useful."--http://kotaku.com/5917888/dawn-of-the-seeker-is-best-for-the-lore+crazy-dragon-age-fan
After DA2, one can't help wonder if DA3 will follow in its same footsteps.
#153
Posté 13 juin 2012 - 03:18
I took advantage of the grey morality of it not being available here and watched it online. I'd probably feel ripped off if I spent anything more than £5 on it.
#154
Posté 13 juin 2012 - 03:20
#155
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 02:26
Jerrybnsn wrote...
It's not exactly getting ringing endorsements.
Exactly what do you expect from a 90 minute anime? You can't tell deep, complex intrigue stories in that amount of time. Nor are you going to be successful trying to sell a dialogue intensive drama in anime format. Its a well done example of what it is. That may or may not be anything you are interested in.
#156
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 08:22
Vormaerin wrote...
Jerrybnsn wrote...
It's not exactly getting ringing endorsements.
Exactly what do you expect from a 90 minute anime? You can't tell deep, complex intrigue stories in that amount of time. Nor are you going to be successful trying to sell a dialogue intensive drama in anime format. Its a well done example of what it is. That may or may not be anything you are interested in.
It's preposterous excusing a production's faults due to its duration. It is a 90 minute movie because they wanted it to be. So it should be able to tell the story they wanted to be told as well as possible within that timeframe.
Disney's The Lion King is 89 minutes in duration. Did it need more to tell its story? I could flood the thread with examples, but that shining beacon of animation will suffice.
Modifié par Spedfrom, 14 juin 2012 - 08:23 .
#157
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 08:53
You don't go to a romantic comedy and complain that its not a deep drama, either. This movie is a pretty good example of exactly what it was trying to be. If you just don't like that kind of movie, then its not going to be something you like.
Btw, I'm sure it would have been better with a $50 million+ production budget like Lion King. Somehow, I doubt Funimation spent anything close to that. Nor should they have.
#158
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 08:56
Dawn of the Seeker is not a great movie. I liked it and even I recognize that it's not a great movie. Go into it with high expectations and you will be sorely disappointed. Myself, I was just hoping for it to be OK.
But it's not that bad either. The action is fairly typical for animé and the plot, while nothing to write home about, is perfectly serviceable and fitting for the setting. And while the style of animation may not be to your tastes, you have to admit that it made for some visually impressive scenes like the battle with the dragons or Frennic's transformation.
Modifié par thats1evildude, 14 juin 2012 - 09:17 .
#159
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 09:20
thats1evildude wrote...
If the best defence of the movie that we can offer is that it's only 90 minutes long, we'd be better off not offering a defence at all.
Dawn of the Seeker is not a great movie. I liked it and even I recognize that it's not a great movie. Go into it with high expectations and you will be sorely disappointed.
But it's not that bad either. The action is fairly typical for animé and the plot, while nothing to write home about, is perfectly serviceable and fitting for the setting. The animation itself may not be to your tastes, but I found it to be decent.
That was my point. Just have realistic expectations about what sort of movie it was trying to be and you'll see its a competent effort. Expecting it to be way more than it ever tried to be is just pointless. I mean, seriously? Comparing a direct to DVD niche movie to a Hollywood blockbuster with probably upwards of ten times the budget? What's the point of that?
#160
Posté 14 juin 2012 - 09:37
Vormaerin wrote...
thats1evildude wrote...
If the best defence of the movie that we can offer is that it's only 90 minutes long, we'd be better off not offering a defence at all.
Dawn of the Seeker is not a great movie. I liked it and even I recognize that it's not a great movie. Go into it with high expectations and you will be sorely disappointed.
But it's not that bad either. The action is fairly typical for animé and the plot, while nothing to write home about, is perfectly serviceable and fitting for the setting. The animation itself may not be to your tastes, but I found it to be decent.
That was my point. Just have realistic expectations about what sort of movie it was trying to be and you'll see its a competent effort. Expecting it to be way more than it ever tried to be is just pointless. I mean, seriously? Comparing a direct to DVD niche movie to a Hollywood blockbuster with probably upwards of ten times the budget? What's the point of that?
Dawn of the Seeker's animation was alright, I even found interesting the way they mixed realistic looks with more traditional animation ones. But when I made the comparison with The Lion King I wasn't thinking of animation quality and budget. Writing, plot originality and the way it is presented/delivered were what I was going for. And that still stands.
#161
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 01:27
Spedfrom wrote...
Vormaerin wrote...
thats1evildude wrote...
If the best defence of the movie that we can offer is that it's only 90 minutes long, we'd be better off not offering a defence at all.
Dawn of the Seeker is not a great movie. I liked it and even I recognize that it's not a great movie. Go into it with high expectations and you will be sorely disappointed.
But it's not that bad either. The action is fairly typical for animé and the plot, while nothing to write home about, is perfectly serviceable and fitting for the setting. The animation itself may not be to your tastes, but I found it to be decent.
That was my point. Just have realistic expectations about what sort of movie it was trying to be and you'll see its a competent effort. Expecting it to be way more than it ever tried to be is just pointless. I mean, seriously? Comparing a direct to DVD niche movie to a Hollywood blockbuster with probably upwards of ten times the budget? What's the point of that?
Dawn of the Seeker's animation was alright, I even found interesting the way they mixed realistic looks with more traditional animation ones. But when I made the comparison with The Lion King I wasn't thinking of animation quality and budget. Writing, plot originality and the way it is presented/delivered were what I was going for. And that still stands.
When I first saw news about the movie I threw up a bit in my mouth. Because I absolutely hate the Anime style.
But I watched the movie anyway at a friends place and I must say that I was pleasantly surprised.
I liked the direction they took with the art style and the cel-shaded look.
As stated above I also like the mixed realistic looks with more traditional animation.
#162
Posté 15 juin 2012 - 03:25
I thought visuals were okay, I did not mind the visual style. I did however dislike the fights where mages tended to use weapons and not magic and melee was far to overpowered compared to ranged magic. A lot of it never made much sense regarding why Logain was mentioned name wise in the hut with corpses and why Cassandra had long hair and looked very different to the game plus why dragons were one shotted so easy was silly to say least.
Also why did the mages keep using arcane instead of fire when fire would be the logically choice. Another thing was when Cassandra and Brogan or whatever his name is fought and she got knocked to one knee with at the start why on earth did she not swing her sword at his legs during that time.
The story was good idea regarding the girl and templars/seekers/chantry but I just felt the whole thing was rather lacking. The effects were quite nice especially the dragon/pride demon one but meh just overall could of been much better and if I was forced to score it I would ay 6 maybe 6.5 out of 10. It's not a film someone would be proud to have in their collection aka worth buying full price for keepsie's but it is a film worth renting if fan of franchise (imho) provided go into it with no expectations.
The time period took part in seemed odd but maybe thats just me, mentions kirkwall but yet didn't this supposed to happen before kirkwall because the book given to her at end and warning is the book see at end of DA2. Unlike the end music on DA2 which was very good, the end music on the film was really bad I thought choice wise.
Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 juin 2012 - 03:46 .
#163
Posté 16 juin 2012 - 06:13
- Beautiful and lush, technically unique visuals
- Action is well choreographed
- Final battle had some jaw-dropping moments, particular the ones with the High Dragon and Pride Demon. OMG those models were awesome.
- Gives an impression about the state of the Chantry
Cons:
- Jarring - Stylistically cel-shaded characters doesn't quite mesh well with more realistic backgrounds, armors, especially armors
- Unimaginative and flat characters - Ragaylan is like Anders/Alistair (overused), Cassandra hate towards mage stems from brother being killed by blood mage (overused), completely 1-dimensional villain. Wish the movie was longer (2hours instead of 1.33 hours) to flesh out the characters more and give more feel to the world (after all, Bioware did say that Dragon Age is really about the world)
- Trite story and predictable plot
- Some action scenes are too over the top
- Grand Chathedral looked...lifeless and lacked the expected grandeur despite it's scale, it shouldn't have the Kirkwall architectural style. And I sure wish the inside of the cathedral/and statue of maker isn't just a copy of the one we see in Kirkwall come DA3
- Unrealistic parts - Knight Commander stabbing through plate armor, smashing a stone golem's leg. Characters moving in free-flowing speed even in full armour.
- Nothing else new lore-wise, which is a bit disappointing. Fails to to deliver on the complexity of Dragon Age. In the backstage pass video, Mike Laidlaw mentioned that they wanted to use DOTS not just to tell Cassandra's story, but also to give insights about the organizations such as the Chantry, Templars, Seekers and Circle. If that is so, it's a poor attempt IMO. There wasn't enough depth there.
- Stupid mages not casting spells and insisting on using long sickles when they could use their magic. Or fighting templars with staves. Sorry I'm not nitpicking here. This makes no sense and breaks immersion. Cassandra cutting down mages like butter...ain't believable.
- I know that in accordance to the franchise name, that there be lots of dragons in the world, DOTS is no different. But with every new product in the franchise, these creatures seemed to make an appearance and get themselves killed by protagonist, which is overused. With the exception of Flemeth and the Archdemon, the other dragons, while powerful, didn't provide any significant meaning and depth other than being killing food for the main characters. Dragons are supposed to be awe inspiring, not seen often and provides considerably more tie-in to the story. Gratuitious use of the former cheapens the creature.
Loopholes/Questions:
- A high dragon should not lose to a Pride Demon
- Too much ogre and stone golems, how the heck did Frenic get all of those. An army of those deserve some explanation as to how they came to be. And how does blood magic work on golems and ogres and not dragons? Besides, where do all the dragons come from? That's ridiculous.
- How is it that an elf girl is able to control dragons? Does she drink their blood to be able to control them or so she can be controlled by Frenic? Why can't Frenic use blood magic to control Avexis to drink the dragon blood? Why wasn't Avexis affected by drinking so much dragon blood? It should make her insane and violent.
- I wish there was some consistent magic rules in Dragon Age franchise, it seemed like new magics were created just to fit the needs of the plot. Examples: Ragaylan able to blend seamlessly into surroundings, ability to communicate with animals
- Do the seekers take lyrium as well?
Wishes:
- To see Ragaylan and Cassandra's relationship develop into a romance in DA3
- Accomodate Cassandra's long hair, not tied into a ponytail.
Modifié par SphereofSilence, 16 juin 2012 - 06:26 .
#164
Posté 16 juin 2012 - 07:24
#165
Posté 16 juin 2012 - 08:00
#166
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 08:28
Though I'd still recommend any serious DA fan to watch it.
#167
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 09:48
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTAVN7YqK6zIh4G5sHQHkqSgrb795aLHc9HQAbbjkOjBN2HjHyMeASphereofSilence wrote...
Loopholes/Questions:
A High Dragon should not lose to a Pride Demon
#168
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 05:31
#169
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 06:48
I like Cass and Gayland though but I wouldn't want them as romance options in DA3, simply because those two should be an item.
#170
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 09:09
That said, I'd have much rather had a product that felt like a coherent part of the pre-existing DA universe, and I really hope that it's only accepted as part of the larger DA canon in "broad strokes", or as the "ridiculously exaggerated Varric version" of events.
I mean, I like OTT action as much as the next bloke... but I also like for there to be a good justification for it. Thedas isn't a universe in which humans regularly go "beyond the possible" on their own. Tell me Cassandra's equipped with the "Supple Leather Boots Of Running-Vertically-Up-Walls-And-Backflipping +5" and sure, I'll go with it. Otherwise...? Leave it out.
And, yeah, the whole "blood mages controlling dozens of golems and ogres" thing just felt really... urgh.
Modifié par Ulicus, 17 juin 2012 - 09:15 .
#171
Posté 17 juin 2012 - 10:44
I don't want to sound offensive but watching this and reading Asunder makes both the chantry and the divine seem incompetent. Is it not a leaders job to know everything that is going on from within their organization. It gives me a sort of Idealistic leader thing. Seeing what they want to and not what is there. Asunder just adds more to this feeling in my view.
I agree that the ogre, golem thing made little since, the mages jumping off the walls was OTT, plus their wearing pants. And that the high dragon vs pride demon was interesting, but it was just a little weird for me.
What felt rushed was how Cassandra, decides to have a change of heart so quickly, but I guess with only around 90 minutes that is understandable.
Over all I give it a 5/10
not the worst thing I have seen,but certainly not the best
#172
Posté 18 juin 2012 - 02:38
Found myself a bit annoyed by how the film kept hinting that there were two kinds of mages - Circle mages and blood mages. The word apostate was never used, instead it seemed like every mage who was not in the Circle was a blood mage. Of course, it's a minor complaint given the plot of the film, and I'm sure my boyfriend who I watched it with would have felt it was confusing if they started explaining how the entire mage thing worked. (there was enough exposition bombs about that for a stand-alone 90 minute film as is, I think =))
Graphics were good, voice overs were good, the sound in general was good, it just felt like it needed some minor polishes to timings. Sometimes a scene dragged a few seconds too much in between exchanges or camera changes, sometimes it seemed to move too soon. Overall it was quite enjoyable though. Not like the best thing ever, but hey, the DVD wasn't very expensive and I enjoyed it =)
But seriously, please tell me I wasn't the only one who found myself laughing at this? xD

Looks kinda awkward =)
#173
Posté 18 juin 2012 - 03:49
KiddDaBeauty wrote...
But seriously, please tell me I wasn't the only one who found myself laughing at this? xD
Looks kinda awkward =)
LOL - this guy had me rolling in every scene that featured him. Not remotely imposing AT ALL.
In this clip I like to think he was an apostate court jester whose Orlesian lord made him light his own face on fire for his entertainment. Evil ensued; ability to intimidate still did not.
Thus he is the most tragic DA villain ever. I don't even remember the poor guy's name!
#174
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Posté 18 juin 2012 - 04:08
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#175
Posté 18 juin 2012 - 05:03
brushyourteeth wrote...
Thus he is the most tragic DA villain ever. I don't even remember the poor guy's name!
Frennic. Kind of sounds like "Frantic".
Though Dragon Age has never shied away from Obviously Evil villains — the Mother and the Archdemon were just the most glaring examples — Frennic was a little TOO over the top.
Still, I got to give him props for that pride demon fight. If it hadn't been for the high dragon, he'd be wearing Cassandra's skin for a coat right now.





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