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[The Night Mammoth]

liggy002 wrote...

T-Raks wrote...

My Shepard is not the type to give in. Pro synthesis/control talk gets old to him. Nuff said!

He is if you choose to give in, that's the beauty of choice and of this game.  But my Shep chose not to give in!

No he just let emotion blind him to the situation at hand, like a bull in the arena. 

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Even if the problem doesn't exists control is a bad choice and pointless.

If you say so. 

Not entirely sure how it's 'pointless' but okay. 

Grabing on a live wire and letting you body die to control a fleet of machiens who have not real perpose is not pointless?

[liggy002]

So, let me get this straight about Control:

1. We're going to Control the Reapers using the Crucible which we don't have any clue as to what it does other than what our mortal enemy tell us.

2. The Reapers tell us how to use it so they want us to use it.

3. Why would the Reapers even allow Shepard to control them and how could he possibly control them? His mind couldn't comprehend the space Cthulhu.

So, to sum up, HELL NO TO CONTROL AND SYNTHESIS

Modifié par liggy002, 30 mai 2012 - 06:18 .

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

T-Raks wrote...

My Shepard is not the type to give in. Pro synthesis/control talk gets old to him. Nuff said!

He is if you choose to give in, that's the beauty of choice and of this game.  But my Shep chose not to give in!

No he just let emotion blind him to the situation at hand, like a bull in the arena. 

So your for trusting the reapers...A race of machines with a massive history of deception?

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
So your for trusting the reapers...A race of machines with a massive history of deception?

Did I say I trusted them? 

Lolnope. 

[Mr.House]

No one signed up to have their dna changed because Shepard decided to be a moron and jump into a beam. That is a betrayal.

[The Night Mammoth]

liggy002 wrote...

So, let me get this straight about Control:

1. We're going to Control the Reapers using the Crucible which we don't have any clue as to what it does other than what our mortal enemy tell us.

Same with destroy and synthesis. 

2. The Reapers tell us how to use it so they want us to use it.

Same with destroy and synthesis. 

3. Why would the Reapers even allow Shepard to control them

No idea. 

Why would they let you destroy them? 

and how could he possibly control them?

How could he destroy them or synthesis everyone? 

His mind couldn't comprehend the space Cthulhu.

Who says anything about comprehending them?

So, to sum up, HELL NO TO CONTROL AND SYNTHESIS

But you'd choose destroy simply because of the positive view other characters have?

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
So your for trusting the reapers...A race of machines with a massive history of deception?

Did I say I trusted them? 

Lolnope. 

Yet your so willing to take the control choice....

[T-Raks]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

T-Raks wrote...

My Shepard is not the type to give in. Pro synthesis/control talk gets old to him. Nuff said!

He is if you choose to give in, that's the beauty of choice and of this game.  But my Shep chose not to give in!

No he just let emotion blind him to the situation at hand, like a bull in the arena. 

So your for trusting the reapers...A race of machines with a massive history of deception?

I think you got the Night Mammoth wrong: doesn't sound to me like he/she is for trusting the reapers. Just that if you make the wrong decision it might be because you got blinded by not wanting to do what you gotta do to beat the reapers (sacrifice the Geth - if they are still functioning - and EDI).

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
So your for trusting the reapers...A race of machines with a massive history of deception?

Did I say I trusted them? 

Lolnope. 

Yet your so willing to take the control choice....

Yep. 

Trust is not a prerequisite. 

And you're so willing to choose destroy. 

[T-Raks]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
So your for trusting the reapers...A race of machines with a massive history of deception?

Did I say I trusted them? 

Lolnope. 

Yet your so willing to take the control choice....

Yep. 

Trust is not a prerequisite. 

And you're so willing to choose destroy. 

OK, then I got you wrong...

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
So your for trusting the reapers...A race of machines with a massive history of deception?

Did I say I trusted them? 

Lolnope. 

Yet your so willing to take the control choice....

Yep. 

Trust is not a prerequisite. 

And you're so willing to choose destroy. 

I more will to not work with the reapers nor submit And yes trust is a prereuuisite. Why? Want guarrantee is there that any of the options the star child gives you do what he says?

[The Night Mammoth]

T-Raks wrote...


OK, then I got you wrong...

Oh no, you got it partly right. 

I don't think trust is required, and when people say you must have it in order to choose control , it seems strange because they're perfectly happy to go along with destroy. 

One of the motivations for choosing blue was so I don't run the risk of killing the Geth to save everyone else. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 30 mai 2012 - 06:28 .

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

I more will to not work with the reapers nor submit

Good, neither will I. 

And yes trust is a prereuuisite.

Why?

Why? Want guarrantee is there that any of the options the star child gives you do what he says?

That applies for every choice. 

There isn't a guarantee, you're taking a Leap of Faith regardless. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 30 mai 2012 - 06:31 .

[Jere85]

Good post, nevertheless i disagree. Simply as a feeling, i dont need proof to see if something is wrong or right, Control and Synthesis feels wrong. Simple as that.

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
]I more will to not work with the reapers nor submit

Good, neither will I. 

And yes trust is a prereuuisite.

Why?

Why? Want guarrantee is there that any of the options the star child gives you do what he says?

That applies for every choice. 

There isn't a guarantee, you're taking a Leap of Faith regardless. 

You picked control...You already did submit.
Also,leaps of faith is 100% dependent on trust.

[dreman9999]

T-Raks wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

T-Raks wrote...

My Shepard is not the type to give in. Pro synthesis/control talk gets old to him. Nuff said!

He is if you choose to give in, that's the beauty of choice and of this game.  But my Shep chose not to give in!

No he just let emotion blind him to the situation at hand, like a bull in the arena. 

So your for trusting the reapers...A race of machines with a massive history of deception?

I think you got the Night Mammoth wrong: doesn't sound to me like he/she is for trusting the reapers. Just that if you make the wrong decision it might be because you got blinded by not wanting to do what you gotta do to beat the reapers (sacrifice the Geth - if they are still functioning - and EDI).

But he is pro-control.

[balance5050]

The Night Mammoth-

You don't trust him, but you believe him when he says "kill yourself and you can control the reapers."

Does not compute buddy....

[The Night Mammoth]

balance5050 wrote...

The Night Mammoth-

You don't trust him, but you believe him when he says "kill yourself and you can control the reapers."

Does not compute buddy....

How do you know I believe him? 

I never made any illusions that it's anything else but a gamble. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 30 mai 2012 - 06:36 .

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

You picked control...You already did submit.

If you say so, but bias is forming that opinion, not the facts. 

Also,leaps of faith is 100% dependent on trust.

Sure, but it's not the serpent I'm placing trust in. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 30 mai 2012 - 06:36 .

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The Night Mammoth-

You don't trust him, but you believe him when he says "kill yourself and you can control the reapers."

Does not compute buddy....

How do you know I believe him? 

I never made any illusions that it's not a gamble. 

But you did it any way.....You don't trust him but you did what he said. That makes no sense.

[Lord Goose]

Grabing on a live wire and letting you body die to control a fleet of machiens who have not real perpose is not pointless?

Saving lifes of your allies is pointless?

Personally, I think most people just do not get the message behind.

1. We're going to Control the Reapers using the Crucible which we don't have any clue as to what it does other than what our mortal enemy tell us.

We're going to Destroy the Reapers using the Crucible which we don't have any clue as to what it does other what our mortal enemy tell us.

2. The Reapers tell us how to use it so they want us to use it.

Unless Catalyst is replaced immediately after he talks about Destroy, The reapers still tell us how to use it so they want us to use it. They tell us to how to use it anyway.

Why would the Reapers even allow Shepard to control them and how could he possibly control them? His mind couldn't comprehend the space Cthulhu.

Why would the Reapers even allow Shepard to destroy them and how could he possibly destroy them? Oh, ancient anti-Reaper device?
Wait a minute, why can't it control them?

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

But you did it any way.....You don't trust him but you did what he said. That makes no sense.

I'm choosing control. 

The serpent only describes control, it does not decide it. 

My trust is placed in the Crucible, but like I said, it's a gamble. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 30 mai 2012 - 06:38 .

[Lord Goose]

it might be because you got blinded by not wanting to do what you gotta do to beat the reapers (sacrifice the Geth - if they are still functioning - and EDI).

I actually wounder. Would you (or any pro-Destroy) choose Destroy if you have to kill humanity to Destroy the Reapers?

I think if Catalyst would really want to persuade us to choose Control or Synthesis he could say what Destroy beam would destroy Earth/Solar system as whole. No one would probably do what.

Modifié par Lord Goose, 30 mai 2012 - 06:39 .