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[NUM13ER]

wickedgoodreed wrote...
Hmm. "Sharing some of my own memories with you" is a lot different from "copying your essence and storing it in my mind just in case you die."

I'd happily let her do it, but that kind of thing should really require informed consent.

I always laugh at the threads involving theories she secretly made you a father. Especially the ones that aren't tongue in cheek. But I've always thought if she is carrying Shep's baby, it's probably from all the sexing the two did before Priority: Earth.

Though if she's pregnant in the promised EC epilogues regardless of LI...it'd pretty funny.

Modifié par NUM13ER, 30 mai 2012 - 07:48 .

[xxLDZxx]

mhhhh liara the USB Stick backup for Shepard.

Cool. So Shepard gets cloned in the future or even a better a Shepard clone army working for liara the empress of the galaxy.

And every night he gets commence order 69?

Nahhh i don't think so, but its possible and a good but cheesy idea.
Cloning Shepard in the future to safe the galaxy, sounds to much after ME2, and every time something goes wrong Shepard gets cloned or frozen so he can safe the Galaxy is boring.
It takes the ultimate danger away.You screw it you die.

If you romance her or not, you can look at this moment like she is giving you a moment of peace before meeting with what ever lies infront of you.

Modifié par xxLDZxx, 30 mai 2012 - 07:51 .

[antares_sublight]

Asari Indoctrination. The "true" AI.

[Shallyah]

NUM13ER wrote...

Shallyah wrote...
Might be just "sharing a moment", but why would Liara call that a gift? My Shepard doesn't particularly care about Liara. A gift implies giving something valuable or precious.

Unless the writers were forcing upon my Shepard that for him sharing that moment with Liara has to be precious or valuable, there has to be something more.

Well it is optional and she does imply this gift is something personal rather than material. You can just say no and then she'll just ask for parting words. It seems it was as much about her trying to deal with her nerves as giving a farewell. So its hardly forcing if you can avoid it not just by not speaking to her but actually saying no. 

You seem pretty biased by the fact that it's Liara, so let's take James.

He asks if I have some time, he'll come up to my cabin to give me a gift. Since my Shepard is not a douche and actually gets along with his crew, whether it's James, Ashley, Liara or anyone else, he agrees.

Then James comes up, takes Shepard's hands softly and looks firmly into his eyes. "Embrace Eternity".

I don't know you, but I'm not sure I'd react possitively to it, even being the nicest Shepard of the Galaxy. Also don't see where's the gift in that, even if I agreed that he could come up to my cabin to deliver it.

Modifié par Shallyah, 30 mai 2012 - 07:57 .

[Joroelcapo]

"Sharing some of my own memories with you" and you see a light WTF???
I think that is bioware being rushed again. It dont make sense at all. It looks pretty but if you think about it is really cheap.

[Shaani]

Shallyah wrote...

You seem pretty biased by the fact that it's Liara, so let's take James.

Liara is a psychic alien, and James is a human.  There are different and have different customs.

I like it when my dog sneaks up while I'm playing games and jumps in my lap to be petted.  I would find it odd if James snucked up on me while playing games and jumped in my lap to be petted.  This does not make my dog creepy.

[Noblewolf]

Joroelcapo wrote...

"Sharing some of my own memories with you" and you see a light WTF???
I think that is bioware being rushed again. It dont make sense at all. It looks pretty but if you think about it is really cheap.

it was her being born....

[frylock23]

The conspiracy theories about it come from what you see. I'm not sure how that light is any kind of memory Liara has ever personally experienced. So, since the scene we see isn't recognizable as any kind memory, what is it?

I can only think of two, maybe three, explanations.

1.) Matriarch Benezia says that asari see a light when they die. How would they know that unless someone has witnessed it and shared that memory? Maybe, an asari did witness what a dying asari was seeing once and that memory has been passed on. It would make sense for Liara to show Shepard that given the situation she knew they were facing thinking it might bring Shep some comfort in the face of impending death.

2.) Liara is indeed making a copy of Shepard's genetic strengths in order to spawn later offspring, and this is what the partner sees during the experience.

3.) This is what asari see as they are born, but this also makes the least amount of sense given the situation.

Possibilities 1 and 2 make the most sense to me, but if it's possibility 1, why the heck didn't Liara just say so?

[Shaani]

frylock23 wrote...

1.) Matriarch Benezia says that asari see a light when they die. How would they know that unless someone has witnessed it and shared that memory? Maybe, an asari did witness what a dying asari was seeing once and that memory has been passed on. It would make sense for Liara to show Shepard that given the situation she knew they were facing thinking it might bring Shep some comfort in the face of impending death.

Wow, I was totally going to snark on everyone for still making theories after being told that it was nothing important, but I really like this one. 

[Jeremy Winston]

Got me. I was so confused... I thought I missed something. Actually, I thought the game messed up and just gave me a black screen and that, had I been her LI, it might have been more.

I'm both happy and sad that I saw the same as everyone else.

I certainly didn't get it.

[Shallyah]

Shaani wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

You seem pretty biased by the fact that it's Liara, so let's take James.

Liara is a psychic alien, and James is a human.  There are different and have different customs.

I like it when my dog sneaks up while I'm playing games and jumps in my lap to be petted.  I would find it odd if James snucked up on me while playing games and jumped in my lap to be petted.  This does not make my dog creepy.

So Liara only wanted to jump into Shepard's lap to be petted? I can live with that I guess. 

Jokes aside, that scene seems more like a gift that Liara is giving to herself than to Shepard. Afterall, it's her who has a crush on Shepard, not the other way around (Liara LI'ers aside). Unless she actually gave him something we don't know of (such as the Asari cipher I mentioned earlier in this thread).

Modifié par Shallyah, 30 mai 2012 - 08:15 .

[Thaa_solon]

Hmmm more speculation........ LIARA THEORY : everything that transpires after harbinger blast is just Liara's way of giving shepard a smooth death.

[Joroelcapo]

Noblewolf wrote...

Joroelcapo wrote...

"Sharing some of my own memories with you" and you see a light WTF???
I think that is bioware being rushed again. It dont make sense at all. It looks pretty but if you think about it is really cheap.

it was her being born....

When they say that? Why she is going to show that  to shepard in the middle of a war? How shepar knows this?
For me bioware said "Unggg we have to work in this scene..... wait with the light it looks pretty cool....yeah but it means nothing.... yeah but is ambiguous.....lot of speculation for the player...... yeaaaaaaahh is smart!!..... artistic integrity!!!!!"

[alec1898]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

So Liara = Morrigan?

I guess so. Liara is the "get out of jail free" card. :innocent:

So I get to pass go and collect two hundred dollars?

[Kenshen]

Siibi wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Hmmm. I think she was just looking on sharing a moment with you. It's a bit more intimate in a romance, but even as a friend you can see that Shepard is someone she really admires.

I liked the scene, but I don't think it was supposed to be anything too complicated haha.

^This

I think she just wanted Shep to know she's always there for her/him and have a moment of peace before the final push.

I would like to believe that but she really wasn't there for Shep in ME2, she doesn't come visit while you are a guest at alliance HQ, and pretty much always seems too busy to talk in ME3 in her cabin.  She was quite "distant" past ME1.

As for the gift my first impression was that Shep was indeed going to get that blue baby but I don't think Liara would do that without saying so.  Now I think it was exactly what she said it was.

[Versidious]

Shallyah wrote...

 

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Hmmm. I think she was just looking on sharing a moment with you. It's a bit more intimate in a romance, but even as a friend you can see that Shepard is someone she really admires.

I liked the scene, but I don't think it was supposed to be anything too complicated haha.

 

Might be just "sharing a moment", but why would Liara call that a gift? My Shepard doesn't particularly care about Liara. A gift implies giving something valuable or precious.

Unless the writers were forcing upon my Shepard that for him sharing that moment with Liara has to be precious or valuable, there has to be something more.

I'm pretty sure you can turn the 'gift' down if you don't particularly care for her (It's kind of sad if you don't, I mean, she helped bring you back to life, told future species what a badass you were, helped you kill her own mother, and then helped you retake your homeworld. Seriously, you owe the poor girl at least a modicum of affection after all that). If you do, then it's a gift.

[Shallyah]

Versidious wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

 

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Hmmm. I think she was just looking on sharing a moment with you. It's a bit more intimate in a romance, but even as a friend you can see that Shepard is someone she really admires.

I liked the scene, but I don't think it was supposed to be anything too complicated haha.

 

Might be just "sharing a moment", but why would Liara call that a gift? My Shepard doesn't particularly care about Liara. A gift implies giving something valuable or precious.

Unless the writers were forcing upon my Shepard that for him sharing that moment with Liara has to be precious or valuable, there has to be something more.

I'm pretty sure you can turn the 'gift' down if you don't particularly care for her (It's kind of sad if you don't, I mean, she helped bring you back to life, told future species what a badass you were, helped you kill her own mother, and then helped you retake your homeworld. Seriously, you owe the poor girl at least a modicum of affection after all that). If you do, then it's a gift.

As I explained before, my Shepard considers Liara a good friend, but can say the same about Joker, or even James. He wouldn't be a douche and tell Liara "No I don't want your gift". It still feels like it's more a gift that Liara is giving to herself than to Shepard (as I said before too, it's her who has a crush on Shepard, not the other way around). 

Not that I have a problem with that, but it leads me to believe that she actually gives something to Shepard that she doesn't truly explain. Else why would she call it a gift?

Modifié par Shallyah, 30 mai 2012 - 08:47 .

[Versidious]

Shallyah wrote...

Versidious wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

 

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Hmmm. I think she was just looking on sharing a moment with you. It's a bit more intimate in a romance, but even as a friend you can see that Shepard is someone she really admires.

I liked the scene, but I don't think it was supposed to be anything too complicated haha.

 

Might be just "sharing a moment", but why would Liara call that a gift? My Shepard doesn't particularly care about Liara. A gift implies giving something valuable or precious.

Unless the writers were forcing upon my Shepard that for him sharing that moment with Liara has to be precious or valuable, there has to be something more.

I'm pretty sure you can turn the 'gift' down if you don't particularly care for her (It's kind of sad if you don't, I mean, she helped bring you back to life, told future species what a badass you were, helped you kill her own mother, and then helped you retake your homeworld. Seriously, you owe the poor girl at least a modicum of affection after all that). If you do, then it's a gift.

As I explained before, my Shepard considers Liara a good friend, but can say the same about Joker, or even James. He wouldn't be a douche and tell Liara "No I don't want your gift". It still feels like it's more a gift that Liara is giving to herself than to Shepard (as I said before too, it's her who has a crush on Shepard, not the other way around). 

Not that I have a problem with that, but it leads me to believe that she actualyl gives something to Shepard that she doesn't truly explain. Else why would she call it a gift?

Maybe the Asari word for it doesn't have an exact English counterpart, and the translator just did the best it could? Or maybe the Asari genuinely consider it such? Remember, Liara is an alien, born in a vastly different culture, based around their unique biotic nature. She explains that this experience is commonplace between good friends, family, etc. It doesn't rule out the katra idea, but I don't think her calling it a gift implies that either!

[Versidious]

aryon69 wrote...

I would like to believe that but she really wasn't there for Shep in ME2, she doesn't come visit while you are a guest at alliance HQ, and pretty much always seems too busy to talk in ME3 in her cabin.  She was quite "distant" past ME1.

Liara always being too busy to talk really bugged me too, especially since everyone goes on about how much dialogue she gets - the reason why she's always the one who has the key plot conversations with Shepard is that she's the only squadmate who is definitely going to be there/alive, not an attempt to 'force her on the player'. /rant  Though, in all fairness, Ash is pretty similar in not being very chatty (Kaidan's not too bad).

And, of course, NOONE comes to see Shepard whilst he's under lock-and-key. Not the VS, not Joker, not Liara, not Miranda, or anyone. Come to think of it, it's really not all that surprising that the cowardly, selfish ****ers abandoned Shepard and fled the solar system at the end, really. 

Modifié par Versidious, 30 mai 2012 - 09:01 .

[Tom Lehrer]

Wait...Since when can Asari copy someone's mind and store it in their own? The ability to share a few thoughts is very different then downloading someone else into your head then downloading them into a new body.

We are not like the Geth and who we are is influenced just as much by our bodies as our memories so even a body with all the same memories would be a different person.

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 30 mai 2012 - 09:12 .

[Optimus J]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Hmmm. I think she was just looking on sharing a moment with you. It's a bit more intimate in a romance, but even as a friend you can see that Shepard is someone she really admires.

I liked the scene, but I don't think it was supposed to be anything too complicated haha.

No Allan, that was so underwhelming. Why did you do that?

[Wulfram]

Optimus J wrote...

No Allan, that was so underwhelming. Why did you do that?

IIRC he didn't do that, he's a DA guy

[Allan Schumacher]

Shallyah wrote...

Might be just "sharing a moment", but why would Liara call that a gift? My Shepard doesn't particularly care about Liara. A gift implies giving something valuable or precious.

Unless the writers were forcing upon my Shepard that for him sharing that moment with Liara has to be precious or valuable, there has to be something more.

To be fair, your Shepard is perfectly justified in thinking "Well that was stupid" which is what you did.
Although wishing that you could explicitly state that to her is a fair point.


Regardless of what your Shepard feels about it, Liara DOES feel it's important and special, so her calling it a gift is still perfectly reasonable IMO.