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[Joe Del Toro]

I honestly think this little moment is a good thing for 'Speculation'. It's not plot-significant, it's a little mystery within the story that we don't entirely need to fully understand, and it's great from a character POV. You can interpret it however you like and it will affect you in whatever way you choose.

I chose to see it as Liara sharing all her memories that she has experienced exclusively with you and the Normandy, because that's what makes the most sense to me. And, honestly, I love that she thought to share that with me right as I was pissing my pants before going into the final battle.

[Icinix]

I took it as she was giving you a heads up on what was to come -

You'll be in a dark lonely place - the ending.

But there is light at the end of the tunnel - IT or EC.

[Allan Schumacher]

Shallyah wrote...

As I explained before, my Shepard considers Liara a good friend, but can say the same about Joker, or even James. He wouldn't be a douche and tell Liara "No I don't want your gift". It still feels like it's more a gift that Liara is giving to herself than to Shepard (as I said before too, it's her who has a crush on Shepard, not the other way around). 

Not that I have a problem with that, but it leads me to believe that she actually gives something to Shepard that she doesn't truly explain. Else why would she call it a gift?

Sounds like your Shepard and my Shepard were pretty similar, and the scene still worked for me.  Yes, Liara probably does do it for herself as well, but the way I took it is that she basically just wanted to share a moment with Shepard and let Shepard know, without words, how much she admires Shepard.

I actually agree that she has a crush on Shepard, and sort of saw the whole sequence as a shy girl saying to my Shep "While we aren't a couple or anything, I just wanted to let you know how special I think you are in a unique way."  Because of this the scene really worked for me.

[Shallyah]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

As I explained before, my Shepard considers Liara a good friend, but can say the same about Joker, or even James. He wouldn't be a douche and tell Liara "No I don't want your gift". It still feels like it's more a gift that Liara is giving to herself than to Shepard (as I said before too, it's her who has a crush on Shepard, not the other way around). 

Not that I have a problem with that, but it leads me to believe that she actually gives something to Shepard that she doesn't truly explain. Else why would she call it a gift?

Sounds like your Shepard and my Shepard were pretty similar, and the scene still worked for me.  Yes, Liara probably does do it for herself as well, but the way I took it is that she basically just wanted to share a moment with Shepard and let Shepard know, without words, how much she admires Shepard.

I actually agree that she has a crush on Shepard, and sort of saw the whole sequence as a shy girl saying to my Shep "While we aren't a couple or anything, I just wanted to let you know how special I think you are in a unique way."  Because of this the scene really worked for me.

I suppose that's one way to look at it. Probably I'm overanalyzing the fact that Liara calls it a gift, but even a friend's hug can be a gift too, I guess.

Modifié par Shallyah, 30 mai 2012 - 11:00 .

[WYLDMAXX]

It was nice moment between two friends that have been through hell and back.

[20x6]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Hmmm. I think she was just looking on sharing a moment with you. It's a bit more intimate in a romance, but even as a friend you can see that Shepard is someone she really admires.

I liked the scene, but I don't think it was supposed to be anything too complicated haha.

I agree.
Wasn't her gift of immortalizing you in that holo-disk thing?
It's pretty much the same as Philly making that Rocky Statue.


AAAAADRIAAAAAN!!!!!  I REALLY LOVE STEAK!

[fainmaca]

Asari brain sex. The final trap for those who had so far successfully evaded the Liaramance. Nobody escapes from T'Soni, because she is the canon romance!

[Allan Schumacher]

Shallyah wrote...

I suppose that's one way to look at it. Probably I'm overanalyzing the fact that Liara calls it a gift, but even a friend's hug can be a gift too, I guess.

That may be the case.  The primary reason for Liara referring to it as a gift is more because Liara feels it is.  Some stuff is unexplained (like what exactly is happening), but I suspect she feels it's a gift because whatever it is she does, is something Asari don't typically do for just any person.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 30 mai 2012 - 11:19 .

[Isichar]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

I suppose that's one way to look at it. Probably I'm overanalyzing the fact that Liara calls it a gift, but even a friend's hug can be a gift too, I guess.

That may be the case.  The primary reason for Liara referring to it as a gift is more because Liara feels it is.  Some stuff is unexplained (like what exactly is happening), but I suspect she feels it's a gift because whatever it is she does, is something Asari don't typically do for just any person.

Perhaps the gift felt too romanticized? It does seem Liara loved Shepard regardless of whether she was the LI or not, least thats the impression I got so a personal gift does make sense.

Personally I thought it was a touching moment much like the time capsule.

A funny example I can think of thats similar is a child giving a picture he/she drew to the parents and them putting it on the fridge, sure you may not care about the crummy stickmen, but it matters to the child so sometimes that can be enough. Gifts can be just as much for the person giving it as it is for the person receiving it sometimes.

Modifié par Isichar, 30 mai 2012 - 11:30 .

[Han Shot First]

I think some of the fan speculation is just that.

The scene isn't anything more than what is presented: Liara was sharing a private moment and her own memories with either a lover or a friend. It was nothing more than her giving Shepard a moment of peace, and a heartfelt goodbye to someone who may have been mere moments from death.

Those that are hoping for blue babies should be disappointed and those who feared they were raped should relax. Neither of those things took place.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 31 mai 2012 - 05:30 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Isichar wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

I suppose that's one way to look at it. Probably I'm overanalyzing the fact that Liara calls it a gift, but even a friend's hug can be a gift too, I guess.

That may be the case.  The primary reason for Liara referring to it as a gift is more because Liara feels it is.  Some stuff is unexplained (like what exactly is happening), but I suspect she feels it's a gift because whatever it is she does, is something Asari don't typically do for just any person.

Perhaps the gift felt too romanticized? It does seem Liara loved Shepard regardless of whether she was the LI or not, least thats the impression I got so a personal gift does make sense.

I could see how people could think that and I don't think it's an unfair interpretation.  If a player already feels that Liara has been forcibly placed upon the character enough times as it is throughout the story, then this is just going to be more fuel for the fire.

Whether as a friend or as a romantic partner, I do feel it's a pretty intimate moment.

Personally I thought it was a touching moment much like the time capsule.

A funny example I can think of thats similar is a child giving a picture he/she drew to the parents and them putting it on the fridge, sure you may not care about the crummy stickmen, but it matters to the child so sometimes that can be enough. Gifts can be just as much for the person giving it as it is for the person receiving it sometimes.

Agreed.