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[mr_nameless]

BG2 had cloaks...

All FF games since FF1 has cloaks.

Calling this FANTASY and not including cloaks is like having a space game without stars, JUST DAMM DOTS!!! NO TIME TO ANIMAAAATTE.

[Felix_Domestica]

YOU MUST ADD CLOAKS IN DRAGON AGE 2!



Otherwise, we'll have another thread like this on DA2 forums...

[Adria Teksuni]

Bioware knows that people want cloaks, Bioware was unable to implement cloaks.



Except for the conspiracy theorists. For you guys, they didn't include cloaks because it's all part of their ultimate plan as a cog in the industrial military complex machine to TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD.

[Felix_Domestica]

Bioware will bring peace, freedom, justice, and security to their new Empire!

[DragonAgeNeedsCapesOrCloaks]

Mordaedil wrote...

DragonAgeNeedsCapesOrCloaks wrote...

Think about it.  We pay money for games.  The company (bioware) makes the games for us and include things in the games  that people would want.  Apparently alot of people including myself like having cloaks in fantasy rpg games.  We are part of the consumer base and are requesting that bioware includes this feature.  Thats just called basic consumer rights.  We pay for it so we want to get the best bang for our buck.  Its as simple as that.  If you don't agree then you shouldn't find it too hard to ignore this thread.  Posting "hate" as you call it on a thread that you don't agree with over and over again for the sake of disagreement is being a troll...

Because that's exactly how game development works. They take advice from an Internet forum where a tiny percent of their users wander in to either complain, defend or discuss the game and implement it into the game and voila, it's a major success. The forums thusly represent the greater interest.

I don't know how your maths are, but have you calculated how little worth your input is? You pay maybe $50 for a game. A game developed costs around $1 million to make. They can make up to $10 million to produce.

Your purse didn't even contribute 0,01‰. How can you defend that kind of point of view?

Yeah your probably right im only one man.  I guess i should stop voting too.

[The Amazing Thornado]

Yea, you probably should.

[Felix_Domestica]

Change your nick to "MeHaveNoBrainz" instead of "DragonAgeNeedsCapesOrCloaks".

[DragonAgeNeedsCapesOrCloaks]

Felix_Domestica wrote...

DragonAgeNeedsCapesOrCloaks wrote...

Felix_Domestica wrote...

I h8 people. Dragon Age has 99% good stuff and 1% bad stuff and people can't stop with pointless hate(some call it "constructive criticism") about that 1% ...

Think about it.  We pay money for games.  The company (bioware) makes the games for us and include things in the games  that people would want.  Apparently alot of people including myself like having cloaks in fantasy rpg games.  We are part of the consumer base and are requesting that bioware includes this feature.  Thats just called basic consumer rights.  We pay for it so we want to get the best bang for our buck.  Its as simple as that.  If you don't agree then you shouldn't find it too hard to ignore this thread.  Posting "hate" as you call it on a thread that you don't agree with over and over again for the sake of disagreement is being a troll...

I understand what you're saying... But it annoys me when I see 14 pages of  "me want cloaks" posts... While I like cloaks I don't whine about them cause I'm aware that people in bioware know  that their customers want cloaks, therefore I assumed they didn't have the time to make them properly. And I was right. And I was right even without ranting 14 pages...

And about the customer's rights... I don't give a **** about them, seriously. If 60+ hours of fun and mature roleplay wasn't good enough for 50 bucks or something for you, then go and drown yourself in your bathtub... x)

Its actually 60 bucks but anyway this whole cloak thing is actually sort of an end game thing to me.  After you have beaten and experienced a play through or two you want to play the game again (because it is so good) with a totally different looking character.  Since there isn't that many options in the game to build a unique character other than there race or class it can kind of get boring as far as replay value is concerned.

[David Gaider]

SheffSteel wrote...

Since this thread has gone on for so long but (feature) has somehow not yet been implemented, perhaps it is time to do more than ask the developers to kindly implement (feature).
Perhaps a poll?
Of course, the poll must not contain leading questions or biased language of any form. That would be worse than useless, as it would not tell us anything specific about (feature). I therefore suggest the following simple and neutral form of wording:

Do you want to see (feature) in Dragon Age?
[_] Yes
[_] No
That should provide a definitive answer as to whether / how people think about (feature).

What valuable information would that provide, exactly?

Might as well change the question to "Without consideration of the costs involved, would you like to see additional content in Dragon Age?" I mean... is there any reason to actually say "no" to a question like that?

[foil-]

Yes. To (feature). I want it.

But how come you didn't start the poll?

SheffSteel wrote...

Since this thread has gone on for so
long but (feature) has somehow not yet been implemented, perhaps it is
time to do more than ask the developers to kindly implement (feature).
Perhaps a poll?
Of
course, the poll must not contain leading questions or biased language
of any form. That would be worse than useless, as it would not tell us
anything specific about (feature). I therefore suggest the following
simple and neutral form of wording:

Do you want to see (feature) in Dragon Age?
[_] Yes
[_] No
That should provide a definitive answer as to whether / how people think about (feature).

Modifié par foil-, 14 décembre 2009 - 05:27 .

[DragonAgeNeedsCapesOrCloaks]

Felix_Domestica wrote...

Change your nick to "MeHaveNoBrainz" instead of "DragonAgeNeedsCapesOrCloaks".

Why are you still trolling on this thread.  You have nothing more to say obviously.  This thread was and is only about seeing how many people agree.

[foil-]

David Gaider wrote...

SheffSteel wrote...

Since this thread has gone on for so long but (feature) has somehow not yet been implemented, perhaps it is time to do more than ask the developers to kindly implement (feature).
Perhaps a poll?
Of course, the poll must not contain leading questions or biased language of any form. That would be worse than useless, as it would not tell us anything specific about (feature). I therefore suggest the following simple and neutral form of wording:

Do you want to see (feature) in Dragon Age?
[_] Yes
[_] No
That should provide a definitive answer as to whether / how people think about (feature).

What valuable information would that provide, exactly?

Might as well change the question to "Without consideration of the costs involved, would you like to see additional content in Dragon Age?" I mean... is there any reason to actually say "no" to a question like that?

As you can see here, there are plenty who would vote "no".  But hey, I guess it could be an either or question.

Modifié par foil-, 14 décembre 2009 - 05:24 .

[Maconbar]

I want to be able to eat smores in camp.

[foil-]

Maconbar wrote...

I want to be able to eat smores in camp.

You'll have to settle for cake, sorry.

[David Gaider]

foil- wrote...
As you can see here, there are plenty who would vote "no".  But hey, I guess it could be an either or question.

Sure, but as you can see from any given forum thread all you really need are three or four people to feel vociferously about a given topic to give the impression to other posters that some kind of revolution is in progress. Add the word "poll" and make the implication that we are a company that sits on the forums to take personalized orders for someone's favorite RPG and they'd go absolutely mental.

[The Amazing Thornado]

I want a David Gaider NPC in camp.

-Poll-
[_] Yes
[_] No

Modifié par The Amazing Thornado, 14 décembre 2009 - 05:33 .

[the_one_54321]

David Gaider wrote...
Might as well change the question to "Without consideration of the costs involved, would you like to see additional content in Dragon Age?" I mean... is there any reason to actually say "no" to a question like that?

"I can feel your [sarcasm]. It gives you focus, makes you stronger."
"Impressive.
Most impressive. Obi-Wan has taught you well. You have controlled your
fear. Now, release your anger. Only your [wit] can destroy me."

or perhaps you should say:

"I find your lack of faith disturbing."

[Felix_Domestica]

DragonAgeNeedsCapesOrCloaks wrote...

Felix_Domestica wrote...

Change your nick to "MeHaveNoBrainz" instead of "DragonAgeNeedsCapesOrCloaks".

Why are you still trolling on this thread.  You have nothing more to say obviously.  This thread was and is only about seeing how many people agree.

 I was being serious in my first 2 or 3 posts here about what I think about DA, Bioware and David here:

Mr. Gaider pls listen to me... WE NEED THAT SEQUEL. You(Bioware) are
the only company that makes games with souls... We don't need games
like Oblivion, Fallout 3 and other crap. We need emotions while playing
the game and you're the only ones who are able to give them to us while
playing. FFS I don't care for ****ing cloaks, I don't give a damn about
horses, I don't mind somehow linear and small areas. We had those in
other games and they didn't made them good.  Why? Its because
DRAGON AGE and other games you make are ART, not games for kids...
You're not only the company that makes games... You're the artists
ffs! You can't abandon Dragon Age, its your masterpiece...

Replace word "love" with "BIOWARE"...


I'm broken...
Much love...

And here...

BioWare you're gonna be in bad if you don't make that sequel. We'll all
be spending that time playing a sub-par RPG when we could be enjoying
real quality.

This.

 I'm sorry that I can't express my feelings and thoughts
very good since english is not my first language... But the quoted part
is what I meant with my post. Thanks for refrazing it...

And about Davids sarcastic comment on the page 4 or 5... FFS grow up people. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png
So what if he wasn't so nice? He was annoyed by this thread, with a
reason. Would you rather like him to pretend that he is not annoyed? I
h8 people that pretend to be nice... He was genuine, learn to
appretiate that... And he didn't insult anyone, he just replied to
someone's post. And then people started analizing his character.
David's bad, he's dick, he's being mean...blablabla... x) Cry somewhere
else, you're acting like a bunch of kids... If you want respect, earn
it... "I bought your game, you must respect me even if I'm telling
stupid things". LOL at that mindset...

And here...

I h8 people. Dragon Age has 99% good stuff and 1% bad stuff and people
can't stop with pointless hate(some call it "constructive criticism")
about that 1% ...

Now I'v began trolling here since I reallized how pointless this thread is. Trolling in a troll thread? I see no wrong about that...

[The Amazing Thornado]

Now now, two wrongs don't make a right.



Three do.

[foil-]

David Gaider wrote...

foil- wrote...
As you can see here, there are plenty who would vote "no".  But hey, I guess it could be an either or question.

Sure, but as you can see from any given forum thread all you really need are three or four people to feel vociferously about a given topic to give the impression to other posters that some kind of revolution is in progress. Add the word "poll" and make the implication that we are a company that sits on the forums to take personalized orders for someone's favorite RPG and they'd go absolutely mental.

I may not have understood your meaning, but, if I do get it then my reply is that there is no one holding a gun to your head forcing cloaks in whether you poll or not.  Sure we have an agenda to see them put in, and would likely dip pretty low to get it  .  But all in all, one thing you will never see go away in game forums is feature requests.  And especially the cloak request: you've been around long enough to know this has been on going since BG.  There's just no reason for anyone to get worked up over it unless they have a personal grudge with cloaks.  Its just another thread/poll on the internet.  Rabid fans expectations are going to be rabid no matter what, no use trying to lull them asleep with generic threads without opinion.

Its a good game, no one takes that away from you.  And like you've said before, if people didn't like the game, they wouldn't probably bother sticking around to ask for more from it.  If you can't offer more, or consider more in the future, then its your dime to spend and your risk to take.  You don't have to take a risk that you don't feel is not going to pay off and you can just ignore the few that say their $50 has earned them cloaks.  But there are others here who have hoped to see a BioWare made cloak since BG, and I doubt there is much to be done that's going to stop us keeping it fresh in your minds.  How we represent the casual gamer is for you to decide.

We can attempt to sway the higher ups in your company to implement them, and hopefully give you good ideas why to implement them, or badger you until the weak willed give in or someone higher up hits on one of these threads and thinks: hey, I actually like cloaks.  And to be quite honest, as much as I loved the Shale character, I could have gone without to see a lasting feature like cloaks.  Maybe that could be the poll question.  Or maybe you could give us a better idea of the number of implemented features would need to be sacrifised for cloaks and then let us decide if we want to keep asking for them.  I don't see any other simple visual feature other than cloaks that I would make the Shale trade off for though except maybe your already included combat animations.

Truth be told, if there is no better way to make a feature request or guage the viewers interest in a feature, then why not speek up or poll.  If your company decided to go collect more reliable data for certain features to show us our quest for cloaks is not a marketable trend, then I won't argue with your methods.  But wouldn't it just be less expensive to implement cloaks

Modifié par foil-, 14 décembre 2009 - 06:01 .

[Maconbar]

How much would everyone be willing to pay for cloaks? (Or mounts while we are at it?)

[David Gaider]

foil- wrote...
Truth be told, if there is no better way to make a feature request or guage the viewers interest in a feature, then why not speek up or poll.  If your company decided to go collect more reliable data for certain features to show us our quest for cloaks is not a marketable trend, then I won't argue with your methods.  But wouldn't it just be less expensive to implement cloaks

Yet what I'm saying is that "reliable data" on how many people might kinda like cloaks is not useful information. We don't expect you guys to keep in mind the costs of such features -- how could you? So when you make requests you're asking for stuff that you'd like to see... because you like them. Which is great, and knowing that features are desired certainly does inform us. But if you want to actually convince any of us that a feature such as cloaks is actually more than just something that most people would kinda sorta like you need to actually convince us that it is a useful feature. Not just "nice to have" for that moment of "hey cool! cloaks!" but something that actually makes it a better game (and by that I mean a line of reasoning slightly improved from "it adds to immersion!" -- which, as we all know, can be used to argue any feature). Because beyond that my answer remains "yes, we know it'd be nice to have and that some people would think it's cool." Providing more reinforcement of that idea does not make it a more valuable feature.

Does that make sense? You did ask, after all.

[SheffSteel]

/troll



The reason I didn't create the poll is because I felt sure it would gain overwhelming support. Why wouldn't it? It was worded in such a way as to imply that there was no financial cost, opportunity cost or other penalty associated with having cloaks ingame. Offer people free stuff and their answers tend to be divided between "please" and "thank you". The only benefit of such a poll would be finding out whether people were thinking about what cloaks might cost.

[Taleroth]

People wonder how much cloaks cost? Like $30 over Amazon. Just add that to the game, it'd be like $90 a copy for everyone to have one.

[SoleSong]

Reading thise post you will become a clever orator in no time... BIG smile.