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[thegreateski]

Rainen89 wrote...

Despite other games/stories lore cloaks do not make someone harder to see or whatnot. They were a freaking backwarmer, that is it. They insulated heat so people wore them back then, they had no effect whatsoever on your stealthiness, nor did they add to any sort of camouflage. You're not fighting someone and are fooled/bewildered because half way through the fight they pull an oversized towel that they had hanging on their back in front of them. It's no different, a cloak is a piece of clothing. It's not magical, it doesn't make you sneaky and it doesn't do anything except keep you warm in the winter.

I lol'd

[Dahelia]

I want my highly fashionable invisible cloak! So that I may go about the dungeon and not become the three headed dogs lunch!

[DragonAgeNeedsCapesOrCloaks]

Rainen89 wrote...

Despite other games/stories lore cloaks do not make someone harder to see or whatnot. They were a freaking backwarmer, that is it. They insulated heat so people wore them back then, they had no effect whatsoever on your stealthiness, nor did they add to any sort of camouflage. You're not fighting someone and are fooled/bewildered because half way through the fight they pull an oversized towel that they had hanging on their back in front of them. It's no different, a cloak is a piece of clothing. It's not magical, it doesn't make you sneaky and it doesn't do anything except keep you warm in the winter.

If your going to argue that point then nothing in this game for that matter really makes much sense at all.  This game is very much so unrealistic, just look at the way the warrior class fights.  Theres no block button.  How unrealistic is that?  The sword hits most of the time just pass right through you.  How unrealistic is that?  Its a game that has borrowed a great deal from those other "games/stories lore" that you mentioned.  Its a fantasy game.  There is going to be alot of fake s*** in it...  How is it that it is ok that the cowls can offer magic buffs in the game, but according to your logic cloaks can't?  I dont think a Camouflage buff on a cloak is that far off and apparently neither does lord of the rings...

[Rainen89]

Of course nothing about the game is realistic, it's a fantasy game. My problem is understanding why a @*@#ng backwarmer has the reputation of being used for some alterior means when it was just that, something to keep you warm. Shields block, swords cut through people whether the effect displayed is real is not the point they're still doing what they would normally be doing within reason. However, a cape does not do anything a cape keeps you warm when it's cold out so you don't die of Hypothermia.

LOTR had elven magic capes and they were extremely rare. Also their "camouflage effect" was only helpful on idiot guards who already had no idea something was there. It's not like a hobbit ran up to an orc pulled his cape over his head and said nah, nah, nah, nah, nah you can't see me.

Modifié par Rainen89, 11 décembre 2009 - 08:13 .

[Vicious]

NWN2 had cloaks and they looked damn good.

Cloaks add a certain regalness to a character.


They just plain make you look more badass.

That said they are COMPLETELY extraneous and not needed AT ALL. They just add flavor.


Expect to see cloaks along with Polearms in DAO2.

Modifié par Vicious, 11 décembre 2009 - 08:28 .

[DragonAgeNeedsCapesOrCloaks]

Rainen89 wrote...

Of course nothing about the game is realistic, it's a fantasy game. My problem is understanding why a @*@#ng backwarmer has the reputation of being used for some alterior means when it was just that, something to keep you warm. Shields block, swords cut through people whether the effect displayed is real is not the point they're still doing what they would normally be doing within reason. However, a cape does not do anything a cape keeps you warm when it's cold out so you don't die of Hypothermia.

LOTR had elven magic capes and they were extremely rare. Also their "camouflage effect" was only helpful on idiot guards who already had no idea something was there. It's not like a hobbit ran up to an orc pulled his cape over his head and said nah, nah, nah, nah, nah you can't see me.

Your stance is quite understandable.  i dont know why the backwarmers would have gotten that reputation.  But they do.  And the cloaks you have to admit look cool.  So my stance is that since most fantasy rpgs along with most fantasy lore have those god forsaken backwarmers in them, that not to many if not most of the people that would be interested in playing ta game like this would like, why not have them in this game as well.  This shouldn't be hard and nobodys asking for life-like flowing cloaks here.  Especially since they have magic buffed cowls in the game, which by your logic are really just head warmers, which dont look too cool at all.  Its almost seems as though they put the cowls in there so that you could show the cloak or not depending on if you want to have a hooded cloak or not and then just said you know what forget the cloaks.

[Rainen89]

Vicious wrote...
They just plain make you look more badass. but are not needed, at all.
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My point, thank you.

[DragonAgeNeedsCapesOrCloaks]

Rainen89 wrote...

Vicious wrote...
They just plain make you look more badass. but are not needed, at all.
.

My point, thank you.

Of course they are not needed if that was your point then it looks like our conversation was a waste of time.  I was just saying they look cool, most fantasy rpg's and lores have them, and if you put them in the game you could make good use out of them by making them add buffs.  Thats all i am saying...

[Rainen89]

Right, but there's lots of stuff that would've looked cool but were completely unnecesary and were therefore not added. Horses, blocking, shapeshifting. (Oh wait) Shale, (kind've.) Jowan as a companion. the list goes on, they could've added them and yeah it would've been neat and all but they didn't due to time constraints I would bet money they'd have them in the next one though I still believe they're completely pointless and have no practical usage whatsoever and are being added purely out of fanboism, but I digress.

[DragonAgeNeedsCapesOrCloaks]

yeah i agree but im not ashamed to still want the cloaks and all...tell you the truth the whole reason i even payed attention to the absence of the "backwarmers" was when i tried to recreate this character from an anime in the game and everything matched up perfectly and looked just like the guy except that there was no freaking cloak and i just thought that it was really weird that they weren't included in a game of this genre.

[Razh2211]

Considering that I'm watching the back of my party most of the game, I'd like to look at something fashionable, even if it is a piece of cloth and even if it doesn't give charisma boost.



I guess they didn't want to bother animating them. And there are some warrior moves that would require a complex movement of the capes.

[boe2]

Vicious wrote...

NWN2 had cloaks and they looked damn good.

And Grand Theft Auto 4 had bikes that were pretty awesome.

Different game, different rules.

[illidoth123]

I want my bow to bend when i pull my arrow back DAMNIT

[Arbiter Libera]

God no, especially after what they've done to mage headgear. Can you even imagine what we'd end up with?

[Taleroth]

This game needs Kobolds before it needs cloaks.

[Few87]

and i want more clothes, not just loads of random armour, but youve got to accept that it isnt going to happen

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

If you pay attention to the lore, you'll see that griffons are well known for eating cloaks and bowstrings. A non-nutritious breakfast is believed to be the cause of their extinction. A lot of people miss these facts on their first few play throughs, but I've been able to piece it together for you. Also, I'm lying.

[hietala95]

boe2 wrote...

Vicious wrote...

NWN2 had cloaks and they looked damn good.

And Grand Theft Auto 4 had bikes that were pretty awesome.

Different game, different rules.

And killzone haz space ****s......we dont see them allot these days....maybe space ****s are the ones who made the blight? and then we could get a dlc to stop them haha!...

No but realy capes yes that would be cool cloaks nah but capes:O
But my gues it just takes to much time to get them animated and all that.

Warden commander armor and a cape= Awesome!=Bioware orThe Moding peopule should make an free update/addon that ads this.


Edit: i couldent say space ****s? (the bad guys of ww2) ...even in a joke i can say that....what is this china?../../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png

Modifié par hietala95, 11 décembre 2009 - 04:06 .

[JabberJaww]

Sorry, but i like cloaks in these kind of games. I also think the Mage robes and Hoods need some different models or something.



Its part of what i enjoy about RPG's, different armor, weapon types. Making your character unique. It would increase my love for this game even more

[FlintlockJazz]

Moths ate them.



Seriously though, I'm glad they don't have cloaks. You end up having a giant piece of cloth flying from your back and the inability to have weapons on your back without them clipping through the cloak (and since all weapons are carried on your back in this game...).



Cloaks were not used in combat except by ponces in light armour, the distraction they afford wouldn't do much outside of duels and it gives your enemies something to grab hold of and pull you around with. Would much prefer tabards in the game, especially if they allow you to put custom emblems on them (you get to create a character emblem at character creation that then appears on all your tabards).

[Atmosfear3]

It would have been nice to see my party wearing cloaks when I visited the zone for the urn quest, maybe Frostback mountains too. Come to think of it, it probably would have worked for just about any part in the game considering there weren't any real tropical/desert zones anyways.

[TileToad]

Rainen89 wrote...

Despite other games/stories lore cloaks do not make someone harder to see or whatnot. They were a freaking backwarmer, that is it. They insulated heat so people wore them back then, they had no effect whatsoever on your stealthiness, nor did they add to any sort of camouflage. You're not fighting someone and are fooled/bewildered because half way through the fight they pull an oversized towel that they had hanging on their back in front of them. It's no different, a cloak is a piece of clothing. It's not magical, it doesn't make you sneaky and it doesn't do anything except keep you warm in the winter.

Right..
I wonder, though.. Why, if something is being hidden or camouflaged, do they call it "cloaked"? And why is something called a "cloaking" device if it's able to hide or camouflage? There must be some kind of explanation for that, no?

[FlintlockJazz]

TileToad wrote...

Rainen89 wrote...

Despite other games/stories lore cloaks do not make someone harder to see or whatnot. They were a freaking backwarmer, that is it. They insulated heat so people wore them back then, they had no effect whatsoever on your stealthiness, nor did they add to any sort of camouflage. You're not fighting someone and are fooled/bewildered because half way through the fight they pull an oversized towel that they had hanging on their back in front of them. It's no different, a cloak is a piece of clothing. It's not magical, it doesn't make you sneaky and it doesn't do anything except keep you warm in the winter.

Right..
I wonder, though.. Why, if something is being hidden or camouflaged, do they call it "cloaked"? And why is something called a "cloaking" device if it's able to hide or camouflage? There must be some kind of explanation for that, no?

Not really, misconceptions can take on a life of their own, and cloaks are indeed useful for obscuring your identity in the same way hoodies do: they don't stop people noticing you (on the contrary) but it makes it harder for them to get a good look at your face.

[eikie666]

Dahelia wrote...

I want my highly fashionable invisible cloak! So that I may go about the dungeon and not become the three headed dogs lunch!

You are allready wearing that invisible cloak, you're just not seeing it, being an invisible cloak...



Oh, wait.. YOU wanted to become invisible? Should have paid more souvereins then to that tailor in Denerim..

[digby0802]

Maybe if bioware put adds on the back of the cloaks we could get free dlc's! And Hello Kitty sweaters sent to us in the mail!