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[DragonAgeNeedsCapesOrCloaks]

David Gaider wrote...

DragonAgeNeedsCapesOrCloaks wrote...
i posted this in an attempt to get responses and maybe support from those who may agree with me so hopefully in a perfect world bioware will get the idea and put them in the game.

Wow. So... you mean that some people really like cloaks?

We had no idea.

Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention. If we had only known that there were people out there who think cloaks are neat, we might have added them onto the pile sooner. Our bad.

Im confused.  I thought forums were where developers said to go and talk about the game and air all your suggestions and or grievances.  I did not know that it was necessary nor appropriate for a staff member to basically allude to their disapproval of my post even if i am not breaking any of the forum rules.  I learn something new everyday.  But having said that thanks for at least acknowledging the post and letting us know that the developers are still at least thinking about it.  And by the way its actually a good thing that the only thing that i thought was worth complainging about was something as trivial as cloaks.  That should resound as a testament of this being a very good game.

[MR-9]

Cloaks are to keep you warm.
The official campaign takes place in a cold setting.
Wynne even talks about knitting a cloak for Sten.

Bioware will never add cloaks to this game.
I want you to read that again and if you are a devloper, I want you to feel that stinging truth.

You know it's true, and anyone who knows much about your engine knows it's true as well.
Thread closed.

Modifié par MR-9, 12 décembre 2009 - 08:04 .

[foil-]

Never found clipping in any other game that employed cloaks that much of an issue, no more than the armour clipping in DAO. In fact, I find the armour clipping even more distracting since many of the cinematic closeups are focused right where the armour clips the most. The cloaks weren't much of a clipping issue in the sacred ashes trailer either (yes I know...no need to state the obvious ).

Anyway, I just saw a DiRT tech video where hardware tesselation is used to animate cloth blowing in the wind more realistically and with less performance hit. Looked fantastic. Would love to see that in a DAO sequel with cloaks.

And I think we all realise cloaks in combat not such a great bonus. If they want to mod in a fatigue or combat penalty with a cloak, go for it. But in some cases, as already noted, not wearing cloaks can also have a bad side and in general, considering that Ferelden is a little on the chilly side of the world...

Modifié par foil-, 12 décembre 2009 - 08:04 .

[Habelo]

Ah true they really should have had cloaks, they do make alot of difference

[MR-9]

Agreed, at least the devs know what they did wrong.

[-Warped-]

I strongly suspect the reason we have no cloaks (and ugly mage hats) is that bioware didn't want to bother with cloth physics.

[Adria Teksuni]

MR-9 wrote...

Cloaks are to keep you warm.
The official campaign takes place in a cold setting.
Wynne even talks about knitting a cloak for Sten.

Bioware will never add cloaks to this game.
I want you to read that again and if you are a devloper, I want you to feel that stinging truth.

You know it's true, and anyone who knows much about your engine knows it's true as well.
Thread closed.

Never say never.  They'll be working on this game for the next two years, we have no idea what they'll manage to incorporate.

Prolly not horsies, though.

[MonkeyLungs]

They obviously have problems with clipping and animation. There aren't even strings on the bows, I am assuming due to clipping and animation issues.

[Necropasha]

We have to contend with terrible light armor design and every time my party gathers it's like a silly hats only event. Then we think and write about how cool it would be to have cloaks or hoods instead, and developers come and derail such notions. I am rather disappointed. How...cheeky.

[bladesharks]

[quote]Brako Shepard wrote...

[quote]bladesharks wrote...

objection!!!!

sorry had to say that

you can get cloaks in oblivion  hell you can get them right at the start as well 
a robe with a hood and a cloak are the same thing

[/quote]

Tsk! You know what I mean smarty pants lol.

Or if you don't. Then what I mean is say the heavy armour in Dragon Age, I think it would look very groovy if you could add a type of cloak similar to what Ezio has in Assassin's Creed 2, or even a long cloak to get really groovy.
[/quote]


you mean armoured cloaks? theywhy  did you not say armoured clocks
but you seid

[/quote]
Yeah what is it with developers and not adding groovy cloaks to there characters?

Oblivion never had them either,
[/quote]

nothing about armoued clocks there

Modifié par bladesharks, 12 décembre 2009 - 09:45 .

[ashes2flame]

David Gaider wrote...

BanditGR wrote...
So, purely out of curiosity, was it time constraints, a technical issue or perhaps a balancing issue, that made you guys hide the cloak slot ? It's not much of a big deal anyway (and I'm willing to wager not much of a "secret" either )

The cloak slot is there because, at one time, we had cloaks. They were never actually made, but there was a plan for them -- and if I remember right, when they were cut there was initially a plan to keep them as items which simply didn't show up on your character (hence the "hidden" nature, perhaps?). That didn't last long, and perhaps the slot was never removed entirely on the hopes that we would one day be able to add it back in. Ideally, we'd like to have it. Done correctly, they would probably look pretty cool... but there's the rub, no?

That should have been your first post. I've read several others from you and you really are rude. I don't expect you to kiss your customers ass but you could at least be courteous and if you can't then you shouldn't post here at all. You did great work with the game. I appreciate it. But you are extremely defensive, condescending and seem to get off on opportunities to belittle people. You're not helping yourself, your company or the overall maturaity level (read: enjoyment / relevance) on these forums with your childish behavior.

[Adria Teksuni]

*shrug* He responded in the same vein as the OP. If there had been a reasonable, non-provocative question, the answer would likely have been similar.

[camirish1]

Enough Said

[LaztRezort]

Adria Teksuni wrote...

*shrug* He responded in the same vein as the OP. If there had been a reasonable, non-provocative question, the answer would likely have been similar.

I agree.  Toughen up your skin a little if you're going to post on the internet, and consider Gaider's post as "tough love."

Personally, I find it refreshing to have developers come here and make down-to-earth posts, not that polite cookie-cutter PR crap that you get everywhere else.

[MonkeyLungs]

We can make fun of the lack of cloaks. They can come and make fun of my posts. It's all cool. I hope nobody truly takes any of this too seriously.



Bottom line is people find the game really cool. They get into their characters. They want to make them look cooler. They complain that they can't. (I'm included in this they BTW) I'm sure some guys at Bio are all like " We made this awesome game with great dialogue and story and look at all these nerds whining about cloaks and scabbards. This isn't medievil dress up origins!" But that doesn't change the fact that the game would be even cooler if it had hooded cloaks, shady looking rogue armor with cowls to mask one's face, scabbards for your weapons, and some m*********** BOWSTRINGS on the bows. It would be a better experience. it's not our fault you couldn't figure out how to implement this stuff.

[Mordaedil]

ashes2flame wrote...

That should have been your first post. I've read several others from you and you really are rude. I don't expect you to kiss your customers ass but you could at least be courteous and if you can't then you shouldn't post here at all. You did great work with the game. I appreciate it. But you are extremely defensive, condescending and seem to get off on opportunities to belittle people. You're not helping yourself, your company or the overall maturaity level (read: enjoyment / relevance) on these forums with your childish behavior.

Go die in a fire...?

[MR-9]

I like that hoods are separate from cloaks, that was a step in the right direction imo, they just need to give us cloaks, and then hoods for rogues.

[ashes2flame]

Mordaedil wrote...

Go die in a fire...?

yes .. that is a brilliant point. I hadn't considered that.
Ok I guess this is the 12 year old section .. are there any adult forums available?

[Necropasha]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

We can make fun of the lack of cloaks. They can come and make fun of my posts. It's all cool. I hope nobody truly takes any of this too seriously.

Bottom line is people find the game really cool. They get into their characters. They want to make them look cooler. They complain that they can't. (I'm included in this they BTW) I'm sure some guys at Bio are all like " We made this awesome game with great dialogue and story and look at all these nerds whining about cloaks and scabbards. This isn't medievil dress up origins!" But that doesn't change the fact that the game would be even cooler if it had hooded cloaks, shady looking rogue armor with cowls to mask one's face, scabbards for your weapons, and some m*********** BOWSTRINGS on the bows. It would be a better experience. it's not our fault you couldn't figure out how to implement this stuff.

Exactly my opinion.  There are great aspects to this game, I wholeheartedly agree, but to get into the story and character convincing visual representation of the main character is essential.  In the case of the rogues and mages for instance such aspects are lacking (I think warriors are much better realized to be honest, but even they could use cloaks:) ). I usually never bother coming to forums and write about such stuff anyway, but I sincerely want to see these areas improved so I can have a perfect rpg experience finally after so much time.

I guess other people come here with similar intentions and I can only imagine that it can be somewhat frustrating to be told "you think we didn't think of that genius? duh!" by the developers. Ultimately it is I suppose important to remember at the end that life goes on and it's good to relax and take it easy:).

Modifié par Necropasha, 13 décembre 2009 - 12:16 .

[David Gaider]

DragonAgeNeedsCapesOrCloaks wrote...
Im confused.  I thought forums were where developers said to go and talk about the game and air all your suggestions and or grievances.

Certainly. Saying that you'd like cloaks is one thing. Implying that the reason they're not there is because we don't know enough people want them is quite something else.

I did not know that it was necessary nor appropriate for a staff member to basically allude to their disapproval of my post even if i am not breaking any of the forum rules.  I learn something new everyday.

When did anyone say that you broke a forum rule? I don't only disapprove of people's posts when they break the rules, you know. Some people seem to believe otherwise, but simply having an opinion doesn't mean you can't be wrong.

But having said that thanks for at least acknowledging the post and letting us know that the developers are still at least thinking about it.  And by the way its actually a good thing that the only thing that i thought was worth complainging about was something as trivial as cloaks.  That should resound as a testament of this being a very good game.

I'm glad you enjoyed the game. And we'll always consider any reasonable and polite request, even if they've come up many times before. As I said before, we're well aware of the bells & whistles that players would like to have -- sadly, bells & whistles are usually in short supply when you're making the kind of game that requires so much content simply to meet basic requirements for the genre.

ashes2flame wrote...
That should have been your first post. I've read several others from you and you really are rude. I don't expect you to kiss your customers ass but you could at least be courteous and if you can't then you shouldn't post here at all. You did great work with the game. I appreciate it. But you are extremely defensive, condescending and seem to get off on opportunities to belittle people. You're not helping yourself, your company or the overall maturaity level (read: enjoyment / relevance) on these forums with your childish behavior.

I'll always respond to courteous and reasonable posts in kind. Beyond that, I'll leave it to my company to decide how well I represent them. Thanks for the feedback, anyhow.

Modifié par David Gaider, 13 décembre 2009 - 12:47 .

[MR-9]

Adria Teksuni wrote...

MR-9 wrote...

Cloaks are to keep you warm.
The official campaign takes place in a cold setting.
Wynne even talks about knitting a cloak for Sten.

Bioware will never add cloaks to this game.
I want you to read that again and if you are a devloper, I want you to feel that stinging truth.

You know it's true, and anyone who knows much about your engine knows it's true as well.
Thread closed.

Never say never.  They'll be working on this game for the next two years, we have no idea what they'll manage to incorporate.

Prolly not horsies, though.

Never.
Cloaks can not be properly implemented within this engine. They will add many things, but they will not, can not add cloaks that do not look stiff and awkward using this engine.

[Dark83]

How has this thread lasted so long? The horses ran away with the cloaks, fools.

[Mordaedil]

ashes2flame wrote...

Mordaedil wrote...

Go die in a fire...?

yes .. that is a brilliant point. I hadn't considered that.
Ok I guess this is the 12 year old section .. are there any adult forums available?

It was a play on your name. Though it seems you left your humor far outside of the realm of reasonableness. Maybe you should disconnect until you get it back.

[MR-9]

Now now friends, this is a discussion of cloaks and why we don't have them.

[Darpaek]

I wanna ride a griffin! (cloaks could flutter in the wind behind me...)