410 réponses à ce sujet

[jpraelster93]

john_sheparrd wrote...

Destroy is the only option!

[mass perfection]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Aside, I'm still waiting for the OP to tell me what his point was.

To stop the synthetics from destroying us we must merge with them.

[PsyrenY]

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but you only prove that they can co-exist as they currently are. No guarantees are given, not even by Legion, about post-Singularity - which, when it occurs, will already be too late for organics to do anything about.

[Zardoc]

Devil Mingy wrote...

Relative to Destroy and Control, Synthesis probably is the only solution to the organic vs synthetic problem.

I just wish it was a problem that the game told me was worth solving.

A solution to a problem that doesn't exist in the first place. How fun! Even better, a solution that isn't even a solution for the problem it claims to solve that doesn't exist in the first place.

Modifié par Zardoc, 30 mai 2012 - 10:22 .

[wantedman dan]

mass perfection wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Aside, I'm still waiting for the OP to tell me what his point was.

To stop the synthetics from destroying us we must merge with them.

The concept which is proven inherently false through the narrative.

[Sal86]

Mr Kahu is not talking about synthesis in this video.

He's not talking about literally merging our physical form with synthetics. He's talking about using a synthetic mainframe through which to share all human knowledge so that the machines are less able to outstrip our intelligence. It's not the same thing.

He is talking about transhumanism. He's not talking about synthesis.

[PsyrenY]

The analogy is also faulty. It's more like solving the Catholic/Protestant schism by catapulting both sides beyond the need for religion at all.

[Taboo]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but you only prove that they can co-exist as they currently are. No guarantees are given, not even by Legion, about post-Singularity - which, when it occurs, will already be too late for organics to do anything about.

I'd sing a song for you but I sound like a water buffalo.

Hope is the one thing we can have. Why are you not Optimistic about that?

That we in fact won't board the Crazy Train?

[Joe Del Toro]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but you only prove that they can co-exist as they currently are. No guarantees are given, not even by Legion, about post-Singularity - which, when it occurs, will already be too late for organics to do anything about.

None are made by Synthesis, either.

Optimystic_X wrote...

The analogy is also faulty. It's more like solving the Catholic/Protestant schism by catapulting both sides beyond the need for religion at all.

And by doing this, you're violating their right to worship a religion. I'm not religious, but I'd never deny anyone this right.

Modifié par Joe Del Toro, 30 mai 2012 - 10:24 .

[mass perfection]

Zardoc wrote...

Devil Mingy wrote...

Relative to Destroy and Control, Synthesis probably is the only solution to the organic vs synthetic problem.

I just wish it was a problem that the game told me was worth solving.

A solution to a problem that doesn't exist in the first place. How fun! Even better, a solution that isn't even a solution for the problem it claims to solve that doesn't exist in the first place.

*Facepalm*

[NYG1991]

The thing that bothers memost about synthesis is it uses alot of the same language the Saren and the reapers used to describe what happens.


I'm not sure if OP's sig is meant as a joke or not

[essarr71]

mass perfection wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Aside, I'm still waiting for the OP to tell me what his point was.

To stop the synthetics from destroying us we must merge with them.

To stop synthetics from destroying organics, we must become synthetic!

Sorry.. Synthesis is despicable.

[M Hedonist]

mass perfection wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Aside, I'm still waiting for the OP to tell me what his point was.

To stop the synthetics from destroying us we must merge with them.

Somebody may eventually decide to kill you.
So you merge with them before that happens, making you both the same entity.
That's the most reasonable solution?

[DeamonSlaz]

Synthesis is a cop out. It is the middle ground that allows you to see Joker and EDI have a happy face. However, no one else. I can see the Geth being a little irate about being given human flesh and what of the reapers themselves?

All three endings felt completely alien to the entire game. How at the very end, Sheppard is about to 'activate' the Catalyst and then he's peacefully elevated up to the Star Child, who just so happens to be the entire Citadel. We are then told: You have been playing a Game, Sheppard. Some one has been controlling you, telling you what to do, and remember that time you didn't want to punch Emily Wong, but you felt compelled, well you were under control. Now that same person is going to choose based on their own perspective of what should happen and oh by the way, you get to die and be the biggest war criminal known to mankind. So you ready?

I swear the ending is jsut so shoe horned. It does not fit. Everything up to Cerebus was awesome and then its: FULL ON EARTH STRIKE CAUSE WE AINT READY BUT WE ARE!

Anyone else get the feeling we were 3/4 of the way in and somehow the last 1/4 got eaten by a Thresher Maw?

[poundoffleshaa]

Synthetics are as likely to kill all organics as organics are so synthesis really does solve that problem at all its just means that cyborgs might kill all cyborgs at some point.

[mass perfection]

DeamonSlaz wrote...

Synthesis is a cop out. It is the middle ground that allows you to see Joker and EDI have a happy face. However, no one else. I can see the Geth being a little irate about being given human flesh and what of the reapers themselves?

All three endings felt completely alien to the entire game. How at the very end, Sheppard is about to 'activate' the Catalyst and then he's peacefully elevated up to the Star Child, who just so happens to be the entire Citadel. We are then told: You have been playing a Game, Sheppard. Some one has been controlling you, telling you what to do, and remember that time you didn't want to punch Emily Wong, but you felt compelled, well you were under control. Now that same person is going to choose based on their own perspective of what should happen and oh by the way, you get to die and be the biggest war criminal known to mankind. So you ready?

I swear the ending is jsut so shoe horned. It does not fit. Everything up to Cerebus was awesome and then its: FULL ON EARTH STRIKE CAUSE WE AINT READY BUT WE ARE!

Anyone else get the feeling we were 3/4 of the way in and somehow the last 1/4 got eaten by a Thresher Maw?

I hate all three but Synthesis solves the problem that doesn't belong in the ME universe and I only chose because it offers the most advancement and makes Reapers potential allies and I like to role play as a peacemaker making peace between everything.

[Taboo]

In your version of Synthesis you create peace the price of who people are as beings.

Like in...Brave New World.

You have peace, but it is a forced peace.

Did you ever read Huxley's novel?

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 30 mai 2012 - 10:38 .

[Joe Del Toro]

mass perfection wrote...

I hate all three but Synthesis solves the problem that doesn't belong in the ME universe and I only chose because it offers the most advancement and makes Reapers potential allies and I like to role play as a peacemaker making peace between everything.

Right, hang on. I totally get what you're intending here, I do. But then you went and made a thread called 'Synthesis is the only solution'. You just said there that it suits what you want the most because you want to be a peacemaker. That's great, but don't just ignore the fact that people will find having their bodies altered against their will (for better or worse, before any zealots start) is not exactly god damn peaceful.

[Silpheed58]

You guys have an aweful lot of faith that Synth does anything more than make a hybrid. You could just as easily say that it shackles the AI's so they can not out evolve organics and halts the cycle until new pure AI's are made again and they STILL out evolve their creators and still wipe us out.

Saying that the hybrids are on equal footing as pure synthetics.... where is the proof of this? Who says that it accomplishes what Saren said it would, what if it does the opposite, all the weakness and none of the strengths.

[MisterJB]

I really think we should attempt to steer away from this arrogance of Synthesis/Destroy/Control is the only solution.
Acknowledging that all three endings have their pros and cons would be a good first step so as to remove this air of negativity and confrontation that hovers over these forums ever since the game released.

I picked Synthesis because the idea of it; using technology to improve the life of all, not just those who can afford it; attracts me. However, I am going to acknowledge there are risks inherent to this and valid reasons to choose Destroy or Control exist.

Modifié par MisterJB, 30 mai 2012 - 10:45 .

[EricHVela]

Are you certain that your interpretation of Synthesis is the correct one given the Catalyst's meaningless line about a new "matrix" and little green lines on people's skin?

Until you can prove that your interpretation of Synthesis is what actually happened without reasonable doubts, you will find a lot of resistance to your preference of HISHE.

[Evolution13]

OP is clearly indoctrinated.

The only good Reaper is a dead Reaper.
I do feel just a bit of pity for them though, millions of years running on buggy software.

[Taboo]

MisterJB wrote...

I really think we should attempt to steer away from this arrogance of Synthesis/Destroy/Control is the only solution.
Acknowledging that all three endings have their pros and cons would be a good first step so as to remove this air of negativity and confrontation that hovers over these forums ever since the game released.

I picked Synthesis because the idea of it; using technology to improve the life of all, not just those who can afford it; attracts me. However, I am going to acknowledge there are risks inherent to this and valid reasons to choose Destroy or Control exist.

Although I don't like Synthesis, pretty much this.

It is YOUR story, not someone elses. What happens is up to you.

All solve the issue and all have ethical implications.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 30 mai 2012 - 10:49 .

[Joe Del Toro]

MisterJB wrote...

I really think we should attempt to steer away from this arrogance of Synthesis/Destroy/Control is the only solution.
Acknowledging that all three endings have their pros and cons would be a good first step so as to remove this air of negativity and confrontation that hovers over these forums ever since the game released.

I picked Synthesis because the idea of it; using technology to improve the life of all, not just those who can afford it; attracts me. However, I am going to acknowledge there are risks inherent to this and valid reasons to choose Destroy or Control exist.

Much as I disagree with a lot that you say, friend, I do respect this attitude the most.

[jstme]

Synthesis and transhumanism have nothing in common.
****** Artificial as one of the futures of ****** Sapiens and terminating all organic life in the galaxy are different things.
Synthesis cancels all organic life. As in - all organic life. After green wave there is no organic living creature. All are some kind of "union of flesh and machine". Even leaves and worms and ctr.
And it does not prevent future conflicts between pure synthetics and green wave synthetico-organics.
It prevents conflicts between pure synthetics and organics, of course, because (i remind you again) it simply cancels all organic life in the galaxy.
After green wave reapers can put a neat V near "prevent destruction of all organic life by synthetics created by high-level organics".
Shepard was not synthetic. And there will be no organic life.
But the funny thing is that once you consider the size of the universe (with hundreds of billions of galaxies) - for green wave to solve reaper's organic problem it needs to work all over the huge almost infinite universe. Can it do it?