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[Ticonderoga117]

Synthesis solves nothing. Nor does control, and destroy goes full retard in its execution.

Meld with machines? Ok, barring the ethical problems... how does this stop machines from killing us all again? How does this preserve life? What's stopping the new hybrids from making pure synthetics (after filtering out the gooey organic stuff) and creating a race that may or may not want to kill everyone? Oh, right, it DOESN'T.

Control? Barring the fact Shep told TIM he's stupid for thinking one can do something stupid like that just 5 minutes before, why would Shepard want to control the thing he is trying to stop? It would be like Patton becoming the dictator of Soviet Russia and the leader of the Communist party. It's a stupid idea.

Destroy, yay, the only thing that makes sense. Oh wait, I have to destroy the Geth and EDI to? Huh? Well, uhm, ok.... considering that the Reapers need to go permanately and this does it, well, sorry guys but I need to shoot this tube at point blank range and die horribly.

[ghost9191]

love how opinion means fact =) and he was talking about humans only, by our choice we could do that. ppl probably wouldn't like something like that forced on them. and look at the collectors, they were merged and in time became fully synthetic. How would you stop that from happening? i mean you merge and become part synthetic, some might decide to go all the way .

[ghost9191]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Synthesis solves nothing. Nor does control, and destroy goes full retard in its execution.

Meld with machines? Ok, barring the ethical problems... how does this stop machines from killing us all again? How does this preserve life? What's stopping the new hybrids from making pure synthetics (after filtering out the gooey organic stuff) and creating a race that may or may not want to kill everyone? Oh, right, it DOESN'T.

Control? Barring the fact Shep told TIM he's stupid for thinking one can do something stupid like that just 5 minutes before, why would Shepard want to control the thing he is trying to stop? It would be like Patton becoming the dictator of Soviet Russia and the leader of the Communist party. It's a stupid idea.

Destroy, yay, the only thing that makes sense. Oh wait, I have to destroy the Geth and EDI to? Huh? Well, uhm, ok.... considering that the Reapers need to go permanately and this does it, well, sorry guys but I need to shoot this tube at point blank range and die horribly.

Don't forget LIKE A BOSS part

[The Night Mammoth]

mass perfection wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Aside, I'm still waiting for the OP to tell me what his point was.

To stop the synthetics from destroying us we must merge with them.

Not this point, the point you made in the other thread. 

You asked me if I knew what a technological singularity was in response to my post detailing why I ignore the problem the serpent puts forward.

I asked you to expand on the argument, and not just ask the question and leave. 

[omntt]

No, go back reading some literature.

/thread

[KDD-0063]

There are tons of problem to worry about alongside singularity as tech grows. Many of them are just as abominable, like clone human, or biochemical warfare.

but if humans can consciously stop research in that area, effect can be minimized. The "created" should't be able to walk out of the lab. And, we will still be humans.

Synthesis is simply we all choose to become cyborgs. I understand how it 'solves' the problem: when we can do a billion calculations per second computers become redundant, therefore are not needed, and machine races will not be built. However, are we still humans when we can do that? I highly doubt it.

[Liec]

There is only one explanation.

Mr. Kaku has been indoctrinated.

[Taboo]

I'd better start drinking if I'm going to continue. Time for beer!

I don't see Synthesis as being human anymore. It's terrible.

[Total Biscuit]

Synthesis solves a problem that doesn't exist.

Uses methods that are impossible, and insultingly stupid.

Only makes sense if you have no understanding of Evolution, Biology or Physics.

Is implemented in an impossible manner.

Would not actually prevent new pure synthetics or even pure organics from being created.

Is the option the REAPERS, enemy of all life in all it's forms, thinks is best.

Does nothing to stop the Reapers, or guarantee they won't change their minds and start the cycle again if the situation changes.

Caps the whole 'Yo Dawg...' stupid circular logic thing off by creating a Technological Singularity to prevent a Technological Singularity.

Kills Shepard for no other reason than plot contrivance.

And promotes the incredibly bigoted view that people of different races and mindsets can never peacefully coexist, or even tolerate one another to live, and that the only way to maintain peace is through forced uniformity.
It has nothing to do with real world Transhumanism.

For that, you'll be wanting to look at Project Overlord, yet another instance of a Technological singularity not destroying all life, and Organics not being annhilated by non organics, even ones crontrolled by a heavily freaking out temporarily techno-organic autistic boy.

In other worlds, it's total bollocks.

And frankly insults my intelligence.

Modifié par Total Biscuit, 30 mai 2012 - 11:10 .

[Ticonderoga117]

KDD-0063 wrote...
Synthesis is simply we all choose to become cyborgs. I understand how it 'solves' the problem: when we can do a billion calculations per second computers become redundant, therefore are not needed, and machine races will not be built.

Not really. Remember why the Geth were built? As handy and cheap labor. They were slaves. They weren't around to help calculate Pi, they were there to build buildings and clean sewers. Thus, the purpose for machine races is still viable.

^ Oh, and all of what TotalBiscuit said above me. ^

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 30 mai 2012 - 11:09 .

[KDD-0063]

Plus why the f**k do I want to care about this singularity bullsh*t at the last few minutes of a series? Also Shepard's a soldier, not a diplomat, or a scientist.

[The Night Mammoth]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Synthesis solves a problem that doesn't exist.

Uses methods that are impossible, and insultingly stupid.

Only makes sense if you have no understanding of Evolution, Biology or Physics.

Is implemented in an impossible manner.

Would not actually prevent new pure synthetics or even pure organics from being created.

Is the option the REAPERS, enemy of all life in all it's forms, thinks is best.

Does nothing to stop the Reapers, or guarantee they won't change their minds and start the cycle again if the situation changes.

Caps the whole 'Yo Dawg...' stupid circular logic thing off by creating a Technological Singularity to prevent a Technological Singularity.

Kills Shepard for no other reason than plot contrivance.

And promotes the incredibly bigoted view that people of different races and mindsets can never peacefully coexist, or even tolerate one another to live, and that the only way to maintain peace is through forced uniformity.

It has nothing to do with real world Transhumanism.

For that, you'll be wanting to look at another Project Overlord, yet another instance of a Technological singularity not destroying all life, and Organics not being annhilated by non organics, even ones crontrolled by a heavily freaking out temporarily techno-organic autistic boy.

In other worlds, it's total bollocks.

And frankly insults my intelligence.

Ladies and gentlemen, doctors and sers, boys and girls, we have ourselves a winner. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 30 mai 2012 - 11:10 .

[ghost9191]

KDD-0063 wrote...

There are tons of problem to worry about alongside singularity as tech grows. Many of them are just as abominable, like clone human, or biochemical warfare.

but if humans can consciously stop research in that area, effect can be minimized. The "created" should't be able to walk out of the lab. And, we will still be humans.

Synthesis is simply we all choose to become cyborgs. I understand how it 'solves' the problem: when we can do a billion calculations per second computers become redundant, therefore are not needed, and machine races will not be built. However, are we still humans when we can do that? I highly doubt it.

isn't there something with the zha or whatever(not sure of the spelling lol) they did that but ended up going all the way, losing control of themselves , ai taking over. that kind of thing. if we merge where does it stop, why not evolve on your own, rather then doing it the way some computer program tells you to? I mean with the collectors they were slowly replaced completly by tech, then they didn't need to evolve past anything so they stagnate. I get why some would want to do it but it just seems like a easy option type thing.

 

[Evolution13]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Synthesis solves a problem that doesn't exist.

Uses methods that are impossible, and insultingly stupid.

Only makes sense if you have no understanding of Evolution, Biology or Physics.

Is implemented in an impossible manner.

Would not actually prevent new pure synthetics or even pure organics from being created.

Is the option the REAPERS, enemy of all life in all it's forms, thinks is best.

Does nothing to stop the Reapers, or guarantee they won't change their minds and start the cycle again if the situation changes.

Caps the whole 'Yo Dawg...' stupid circular logic thing off by creating a Technological Singularity to prevent a Technological Singularity.

Kills Shepard for no other reason than plot contrivance.

And promotes the incredibly bigoted view that people of different races and mindsets can never peacefully coexist, or even tolerate one another to live, and that the only way to maintain peace is through forced uniformity.
It has nothing to do with real world Transhumanism.

For that, you'll be wanting to look at Project Overlord, yet another instance of a Technological singularity not destroying all life, and Organics not being annhilated by non organics, even ones crontrolled by a heavily freaking out temporarily techno-organic autistic boy.

In other worlds, it's total bollocks.

And frankly insults my intelligence.

/thread

/ecmustexaminethis

[The Night Mammoth]

ghost9191 wrote...

KDD-0063 wrote...

There are tons of problem to worry about alongside singularity as tech grows. Many of them are just as abominable, like clone human, or biochemical warfare.

but if humans can consciously stop research in that area, effect can be minimized. The "created" should't be able to walk out of the lab. And, we will still be humans.

Synthesis is simply we all choose to become cyborgs. I understand how it 'solves' the problem: when we can do a billion calculations per second computers become redundant, therefore are not needed, and machine races will not be built. However, are we still humans when we can do that? I highly doubt it.

isn't there something with the zha or whatever(not sure of the spelling lol) they did that but ended up going all the way, losing control of themselves , ai taking over.

The Zha were organics who used synthetics, cybernetic parts and AI's, to improve their intelligence, becoming the Zha'til. They lived in piece and harmony, although indeed, they did lose control and attack everyone.

Because the Reapers subjugated the AI's and turned them against their former masters. 

that kind of thing. if we merge where does it stop, why not evolve on your own, rather then doing it the way some computer program tells you to? I mean with the collectors they were slowly replaced completly by tech, then they didn't need to evolve past anything so they stagnate. I get why some would want to do it but it just seems like a easy option type thing.

Hence the problems with synthesis. 

A rapid, unknown change imposed on everyone. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 30 mai 2012 - 11:21 .

[Taboo]

I'm creating a thread about this tomorrow.

Joey Ramone reminded me on my vacation about how much I hate Synthesis.

JOEY RAMONE.

[ghost9191]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

KDD-0063 wrote...

There are tons of problem to worry about alongside singularity as tech grows. Many of them are just as abominable, like clone human, or biochemical warfare.

but if humans can consciously stop research in that area, effect can be minimized. The "created" should't be able to walk out of the lab. And, we will still be humans.

Synthesis is simply we all choose to become cyborgs. I understand how it 'solves' the problem: when we can do a billion calculations per second computers become redundant, therefore are not needed, and machine races will not be built. However, are we still humans when we can do that? I highly doubt it.

isn't there something with the zha or whatever(not sure of the spelling lol) they did that but ended up going all the way, losing control of themselves , ai taking over.

The Zha were organics who used synthetics, cybernetic parts and AI's, to improve their intelligence, becoming the Zha'til. They lived in piece and harmony, although indeed, they did lose control and attack everyone.

Because the Reapers subjugated the AI's and turned them against their former masters. 

that kind of thing. if we merge where does it stop, why not evolve on your own, rather then doing it the way some computer program tells you to? I mean with the collectors they were slowly replaced completly by tech, then they didn't need to evolve past anything so they stagnate. I get why some would want to do it but it just seems like a easy option type thing.

Hence the problems with synthesis. 

A rapid, unknown change imposed on everyone. 

yeah i know was just saying that it happen they basicly merged to save themselves and it backfired , or so i think

[PsyrenY]

MisterJB wrote...

I really think we should attempt to steer away from this arrogance of Synthesis/Destroy/Control is the only solution.
Acknowledging that all three endings have their pros and cons would be a good first step so as to remove this air of negativity and confrontation that hovers over these forums ever since the game released.

I picked Synthesis because the idea of it; using technology to improve the life of all, not just those who can afford it; attracts me. However, I am going to acknowledge there are risks inherent to this and valid reasons to choose Destroy or Control exist.

Very much this.

KDD-0063 wrote...

Plus why the f**k do I want to care about this singularity bullsh*t at the last few minutes of a series? Also Shepard's a soldier, not a diplomat, or a scientist.

Why are those mutually exclusive? On Elysium, my EngineerShep War Hero won fame during the Skyllian Blitz by quickly overclocking every turret/defense system within a mile of the breach - allowing her to hold it single-handed and earn the Star of Terra. Not all of us have to be bullet-happy jarheads, thanks.

She has gained a strong appreciation for the benefits that proper technology can have for others as a result. This led to sympathy for the Quarians, sympathy for the Geth, saving both, and refusing Destroy when the opportunity to preserve beneficial technology is evident in the other two options.

[DeamonSlaz]

Amen. My Sheppard was a battle scarred survivor that had a strong dislike of politics and was in favor of direct action. He recruited assets and people he saw worthy of his attention and their use and took what he needed to get the job done. He knew Cerberus couldn't be trusted and didn't even pretend to be a dog, but a wolf waiting to bite its master and he preserved the Collector base for the Alliance.

Why does all the endings have to have negative endings? Why isn't there a DENY option that sees the forces you collected knock the teeth out of Reapers? Was it truly that difficult? If you had 5000+ War Assets procured then your combined arms, the Citadel itself self destructing and taking out Harbinger and two other big Reapers and then the other Reapers falling into disarray. Sure it would be a costly victory, but a victory none the less. Where was this option? Why didn't it exist? Its like Dragon Age 2 all over. No matter what choices you make the ending is still going to end how it ends.

I swallowed it with DA2, but ME 3, these endings hurt me. Its like I'm sick I had to make the choice I made. I have the blood of Geth and one of my favorite characters, EDI, on my hands just because I had to destroy the Reapers.....

[RavenEyry]

Hey, synthesis is a good thing in the opinion of one guy who is in no way related to Mass Effect. That certainly told us!

[ArcanistLibram]

Synthesis as presented in Mass Effect makes no sense. If you want to see how Synthesis can and does work, go read Eclipse Phase.

[ArchDuck]

Wait I believe I have already answered this. One moment...

ArchDuck wrote...

Synthesis the only real solution to a problem that doesn't exist and it is the only real solution that also doesn't solve the problem it claims exists.

From this similarly named thread "Synthesis the only real solution"

Modifié par ArchDuck, 31 mai 2012 - 04:43 .

[The Angry One]

ArchDuck wrote...

Wait I believe I have already answered this. One moment...

ArchDuck wrote...

Synthesis the only real solution to a problem that doesn't exist and it is the only real solution that also doesn't solve the problem it claims exists.

From this similarly named thread "Synthesis the only real solution"

You have to laugh at the absurdity of it don't you.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I don't choose synthesis because of organic-synthetic conflict resolution, but, it's a pretty legit problem. In fact, Legion would slap the folks who think the geth are a evidence against the catalyst and saying that it means all AI will be good and cooperative. Take the renegade dialogue option on his loyalty mission: no two species are alike, to assume as much would be racism, even benign anthropomorphism.

And EDI was that rogue VI on Luna before Reaper tech made her a "good" AI. Yet people resolve to go crazy about the changes that synthesis would make to organics and synthetics.

Also, look up Citadel: Signal Tracking if you don't remember that mission from ME1.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 31 mai 2012 - 04:50 .