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[Catamantaloedis]

Synthesis is an abomination.

[TransientNomad]

I'd be okay with synthesis... if it was on our own terms. In the Syn ending, you have a genocidal sociopath from another completely alien age telling you "Do this or my kind will kill your kind." Be this way or die. Much like was stated during the inquisition. On top of that, the being you are bargaining with is a being that has made a career of lies, manipulation, murder, betrayal, and slavery.

No. I believe in the synthesis that would come about after the destroy ending. One that the organics would naturally achieve on their own.

[Grimwick]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Synthesis solves a problem that doesn't exist.

Uses methods that are impossible, and insultingly stupid.

Only makes sense if you have no understanding of Evolution, Biology or Physics.

Is implemented in an impossible manner.

Would not actually prevent new pure synthetics or even pure organics from being created.

Is the option the REAPERS, enemy of all life in all it's forms, thinks is best.

Does nothing to stop the Reapers, or guarantee they won't change their minds and start the cycle again if the situation changes.

Caps the whole 'Yo Dawg...' stupid circular logic thing off by creating a Technological Singularity to prevent a Technological Singularity.

Kills Shepard for no other reason than plot contrivance.

And promotes the incredibly bigoted view that people of different races and mindsets can never peacefully coexist, or even tolerate one another to live, and that the only way to maintain peace is through forced uniformity.
It has nothing to do with real world Transhumanism.

For that, you'll be wanting to look at Project Overlord, yet another instance of a Technological singularity not destroying all life, and Organics not being annhilated by non organics, even ones crontrolled by a heavily freaking out temporarily techno-organic autistic boy.

In other worlds, it's total bollocks.

And frankly insults my intelligence.

You, sir, have pretty much summed it up for me.

EDIT - I'd also like to add that organics/synthetics being similar/of the same 'dna' would not stop future conflicts.

That's as stupid as claiming "oh we are all humans therefore we never fight."

Modifié par Grimwick, 31 mai 2012 - 05:15 .

[UrgentArchengel]

Sorry. I just don't like green as much. And the Reapers see Synthesis as the final evolution. A reaper is born of synthesis, a combination of Organic and Synthetic, and Sovereign himself said he was the apex of evolution. Synthesis in my opinion is wrong, and I won't be indoctrinated (Dictionary Definition) into thinking otherwise. Control is too vague, and Destroy ends the current threat. If we create a bad AI, it's our fault, we don't need more than trillions of lives cut short because of some whacked out evil AI.

[BigGuy28]

I'd like to know why it's assumed you would get "the strengths of both, weakness of neither" when it makes more sense you would get both the strengths and weaknesses of both.

[NoUserNameHere]

You're stopping the cycles only because the Reapers literally can no longer tell the difference between a human or krogan and themselves. They might as well be seeing nothing but husks on their radar.

I do not consider this a viable victory option.

Modifié par NoUserNameHere, 31 mai 2012 - 05:32 .

[The Angry One]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

I don't choose synthesis because of organic-synthetic conflict resolution, but, it's a pretty legit problem. In fact, Legion would slap the folks who think the geth are a evidence against the catalyst and saying that it means all AI will be good and cooperative. Take the renegade dialogue option on his loyalty mission: no two species are alike, to assume as much would be racism, even benign anthropomorphism.

Yes. No two species are alike.
So why do you assume most synthetics will act the same way?

I think you may need a doctor to take that bullet out of your foot.

[JediMasterFisher]

I personally find forcing synthesis to be morally despicable. However the fact that the galaxy is at war with an enemy that is impossible to defeat, forcing this change may be necessarily, I would say that destroy is still the morally superior of the endings.

[UrgentArchengel]

The First Contact War proved there are other galaxies out there and they have an opinion as well. Just because an AI is built, doesn't mean it will either be Mr. Nice Guy or the Robot Devil. Everyone who has ever lived or will live someday, including Synthetic life, has an opinion. Absolutism is just arrogance because it fits your opinion on the matter. If you fear synthetic life, you will think all AI will rebel.

[Memnon]

In my mind, Synthesis is becoming the Reapers. There is no distinction between the two - Reapers are organic machines (established in ME2), so Synthesis is just making the process easier for them. To claim there is a higher state of being, above the Reaper machine/organic melding is insulting ... Sovereign says in ME1 that they are the pinnacle of evolution, Synthesis is becoming them

[mass perfection]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

The First Contact War proved there are other galaxies out there and they have an opinion as well. Just because an AI is built, doesn't mean it will either be Mr. Nice Guy or the Robot Devil. Everyone who has ever lived or will live someday, including Synthetic life, has an opinion. Absolutism is just arrogance because it fits your opinion on the matter. If you fear synthetic life, you will think all AI will rebel.

I believe that the AI attack us because they're so much more intellegent than us that they'll see us as we see animals.But Synthesis will make us more than them because they can't reach us simply because it's the so called "final evolution" of synthetic and organic life.

[NoUserNameHere]

mass perfection wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

The First Contact War proved there are other galaxies out there and they have an opinion as well. Just because an AI is built, doesn't mean it will either be Mr. Nice Guy or the Robot Devil. Everyone who has ever lived or will live someday, including Synthetic life, has an opinion. Absolutism is just arrogance because it fits your opinion on the matter. If you fear synthetic life, you will think all AI will rebel.

I believe that the AI attack us because they're so much more intellegent than us that they'll see us as we see animals.But Synthesis will make us more than them because they can't reach us simply because it's the so called "final evolution" of synthetic and organic life.

'Final evolutions' alone are absurd in and of themselves. Not in 100 threads could we sort that conundrum out.

[mass perfection]

Stornskar wrote...

In my mind, Synthesis is becoming the Reapers. There is no distinction between the two - Reapers are organic machines (established in ME2), so Synthesis is just making the process easier for them. To claim there is a higher state of being, above the Reaper machine/organic melding is insulting ... Sovereign says in ME1 that they are the pinnacle of evolution, Synthesis is becoming them

yeah,because Joker and EDI and whatever squadmate that left the Normandy were Reapers.Besides,some of the things the Catalyst says makes some of Sovereigns statements untrue.

[The Angry One]

mass perfection wrote...
I believe that the AI attack us because they're so much more intellegent than us that they'll see us as we see animals.But Synthesis will make us more than them because they can't reach us simply because it's the so called "final evolution" of synthetic and organic life.

Good lord I don't know where to start.
You're stating the Catalyst's propaganda as fact. I have to wonder if you are being serious given your sig.
You do realise that banner is being ironic, don't you? You do know who's quote that is don't you?

Anyway, if pure AIs consider themselves superior to organics and consider them nothing, why wouldn't they think the same of hybrids? Pure AIs would still be superior to hybrids.
You can't claim they'll regard one as nothing and merrily co-exist with the other, sorry.

mass perfection wrote...
yeah,because Joker and EDI and
whatever squadmate that left the Normandy were Reapers.Besides,some of
the things the Catalyst says makes some of Sovereigns statements untrue.

The Catalyst considers Reaperisation "ascension". It clearly considers Reapers a higher form of life than organics. Both Harbinger and Sovereign claim that Reapers are the pinnacle of evolution. They are hybrids. Synthesis creates hybrids, which are "the final evolution of all life" according to the Catalyst.
It's the same damn thing.

Modifié par The Angry One, 31 mai 2012 - 05:51 .

[mass perfection]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

The First Contact War proved there are other galaxies out there and they have an opinion as well. Just because an AI is built, doesn't mean it will either be Mr. Nice Guy or the Robot Devil. Everyone who has ever lived or will live someday, including Synthetic life, has an opinion. Absolutism is just arrogance because it fits your opinion on the matter. If you fear synthetic life, you will think all AI will rebel.

I believe that the AI attack us because they're so much more intellegent than us that they'll see us as we see animals.But Synthesis will make us more than them because they can't reach us simply because it's the so called "final evolution" of synthetic and organic life.

'Final evolutions' alone are absurd in and of themselves. Not in 100 threads could we sort that conundrum out.

I think when the Catalyst says that it means that all life in the galaxy have no weakness and don't have to evolve to anything.

[mass perfection]

The Angry One wrote...

mass perfection wrote...
I believe that the AI attack us because they're so much more intellegent than us that they'll see us as we see animals.But Synthesis will make us more than them because they can't reach us simply because it's the so called "final evolution" of synthetic and organic life.

Good lord I don't know where to start.
You're stating the Catalyst's propaganda as fact. I have to wonder if you are being serious given your sig.
You do realise that banner is being ironic, don't you? You do know who's quote that is don't you?

Anyway, if pure AIs consider themselves superior to organics and consider them nothing, why wouldn't they think the same of hybrids? Pure AIs would still be superior to hybrids.
You can't claim they'll regard one as nothing and merrily co-exist with the other, sorry.

mass perfection wrote...
yeah,because Joker and EDI and
whatever squadmate that left the Normandy were Reapers.Besides,some of
the things the Catalyst says makes some of Sovereigns statements untrue.

The Catalyst considers Reaperisation "ascension". It clearly considers Reapers a higher form of life than organics. Both Harbinger and Sovereign claim that Reapers are the pinnacle of evolution. They are hybrids. Synthesis creates hybrids, which are "the final evolution of all life" according to the Catalyst.
It's the same damn thing.

And that's why I chose Synthesis.

[The Angry One]

mass perfection wrote...

I think when the Catalyst says that it means that all life in the galaxy have no weakness and don't have to evolve to anything.

Which is wrong.

Random example: No amount of cybernetic augmentation will make a human exist as well in Dekuuna's high gravity enviroment as well as an Elcor. Why? Because Elcor have evolved to survive and exploit that specific enviroment, while humans have not.
If humans were to exist for hundreds of thousands of years on Dekuuna then our species would evolve to better adapt to that enviroment (assuming we could exist there at all, of course). If synthesis somehow prevents that then synthesis just broke everything in the galaxy.

mass perfection wrote...

]And that's why I chose Synthesis.

Because you wanted to become a Reaper?

Modifié par The Angry One, 31 mai 2012 - 05:54 .

[mass perfection]

The Angry One wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

I think when the Catalyst says that it means that all life in the galaxy have no weakness and don't have to evolve to anything.

Which is wrong.

Random example: No amount of cybernetic augmentation will make a human exist as well in Dekuuna's high gravity enviroment as well as an Elcor. Why? Because Elcor have evolved to survive and exploit that specific enviroment, while humans have not.
If humans were to exist for hundreds of thousands of years on Dekuuna then our species would evolve to better adapt to that enviroment (assuming we could exist there at all, of course). If synthesis somehow prevents that then synthesis just broke everything in the galaxy.

mass perfection wrote...

]And that's why I chose Synthesis.

Because you wanted to become a Reaper?

Indeed.

[The Night Mammoth]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

I don't choose synthesis because of organic-synthetic conflict resolution, but, it's a pretty legit problem. In fact, Legion would slap the folks who think the geth are a evidence against the catalyst and saying that it means all AI will be good and cooperative. Take the renegade dialogue option on his loyalty mission: no two species are alike, to assume as much would be racism, even benign anthropomorphism.

Don't have to. 

One example of a friendly AI is enough to disprove the 'certainty' part. 

And EDI was that rogue VI on Luna before Reaper tech made her a "good" AI. Yet people resolve to go crazy about the changes that synthesis would make to organics and synthetics.

Obviously you would have completely ignore the details of that incident for it to come close to resembling proof of hostile AI's. 

Also, look up Citadel: Signal Tracking if you don't remember that mission from ME1.

You'd also have to completely ignore the details of that as well. 

[The Angry One]

Also why the hell would "Reaper tech" make EDI "good" as opposed to better programming, a more stable personality, etc?
I was unaware that Sovereign's hardware had an anti-evil feature.

Modifié par The Angry One, 31 mai 2012 - 06:04 .

[mass perfection]

The Angry One wrote...

Also why the hell would "Reaper tech" make EDI "good" as opposed to better programming, a more stable personality, etc?
I was unaware that Sovereign's hardware had an anti-evil feature.

It just made it go from VI to AI.

[The Night Mammoth]

The Angry One wrote...

Also why the hell would "Reaper tech" make EDI "good" as opposed to better programming, a more stable personality, etc?
I was unaware that Sovereign's hardware had an anti-evil feature.

I always like it when people bring up the Hannibal VI on Luna and then EDI as some sort of supporting point for the serpent. 

Like I said, if you want to think that you'd have to completely ignore all the details. 

[The Night Mammoth]

mass perfection wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Also why the hell would "Reaper tech" make EDI "good" as opposed to better programming, a more stable personality, etc?
I was unaware that Sovereign's hardware had an anti-evil feature.

It just made it go from VI to AI.

Nope. 

The VI was already an AI before it was destroyed. 

[The Angry One]

mass perfection wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Also why the hell would "Reaper tech" make EDI "good" as opposed to better programming, a more stable personality, etc?
I was unaware that Sovereign's hardware had an anti-evil feature.

It just made it go from VI to AI.

So if AIs are good why do we need synthesis again?

Nyoka wrote...

The reapers are the problem, not the solution. Synthesis doesn't get rid of them.

Yes,
the creator of the reapers tells you the reapers aren't a problem. No,
really? The guy who created them doesn't think they're bad? I can't
imagine why.

The Catalyst would never bend the truth to favour it's agenda!
Well aside from denying that it kills anyone while taking on the form of a child that it killed and making arguments from authority... but aside from that it's totally trustworthy!

Modifié par The Angry One, 31 mai 2012 - 06:09 .