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[keekee53]

If you believed anything the starchild said, you the player have been indoctrinated by Bioware. The kid was "controlling" the reapers. Anything he says is in the reaper's best interest, not organics. He is counting on your emotions regarding EDI and the Geth. In the end, Shepard proved organics and synthetics could co-exist without the merge.

[The Night Mammoth]

Dendio1 wrote...

Legion says that he cannot predict what will happen after the completed dyson sphere. The current geth goal is to simply improve themselves. We don't know what the goal will be after they achieve singularity. The best case scenario is that the geth remain friendly and respectful of organic life. The worst case is they find organic life to be meaningless or openly wish its extinction.

Or it could be exactly the same. 

There's nothing to suggest they will suddenly become hostile. 

The problem is post dyson sphere they will possess the ability to dominate organic life, since their tech will expand and continue to expand beyond comprehension.

Possibly. 

Will they use it? 

You don't know that. 

This isn't just about the geth. Future technological advancements could lead to another AI race achieving singularity through different methods.

Could. 

And then the hundreds of other factors that apply to the Geth apply to them, and the chances of genocide grows ever smaller. 

[Dendio1]

Escocido wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

*snip*

Good for you. As a society we do terrible things to animals all the time. Go google PETA.
Animals are viewed as a lesser form of life compared to humans. After a singularity we would become a lesser form of life to synthetics.

Well, you really don't know that. Synthetics could be more merciful, don't have predatory instincts and no reason to kill us.

What proof do you have that all synthetics will be more merciful, once given the ability to outclass organic life in every way. This isn't isolated to the geth, but to all future synthetics as technology continues to advance.

We can't prove one or the other. Both outcomes may happen. Some say that given enough time both outcomes WILL happen. I say the possibility alone is enough reason to prevent giving synthetics such an overwhelming advantage over organics.

Modifié par Dendio1, 31 mai 2012 - 07:45 .

[M0keys]

Dendio1 wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

"We never wanted to harm organics. We wish to improve ourselves."

Sincerely,
Mass Effect's Synthetics

They do not love or hate you, but they can use your atoms for something else.

Tech singularity will push synthetics towards a state that we cannot comprehend. Even current synthetics such as Legion cannot comprehend what will result after the dyson spheres construction.

Ants cannot comprehend humans and look how nonchalantly we kill them. Apathy can be just as bad as intent.

We have killed off all ants I hope you know. And you clearly don't understand the conscept of what starts the conflict with SYNTHETICS.

The problem is that the shift of power would be given to synthetics. They would advance beyond what we comprehend. Organic life will be at the mercy of synthetics. We could choose to wipe out ants or continue to ignore them. We kill ants without a second thought and do horrible things to animals all the time.

is there any reason to believe that the geth would suddenly hate us all? they united with us to stop the reapers. legion was one of our best friends. we'd just be dealing with a new form of feeling, thinking life, not terminators.

Legion says that he cannot predict what will happen after the completed dyson sphere. The current geth goal is to simply improve themselves. We don't know what the goal will be after they achieve singularity. The best case scenario is that the geth remain friendly and respectful of organic life. The worst case is they find organic life to be meaningless or openly wish its extinction. The problem is post dyson sphere they will possess the ability to dominate organic life, since their tech will expand and continue to expand beyond comprehension.

This isn't just about the geth. Future technological advancements could lead to another AI race achieving singularity through different methods.

But if the Geth only exist to further themselves and gain more knowledge, they're not going to waste their time destroying humans, especially since they just evolved to be individuals themselves and were injected with the personality base of the Ultimate Sympathetic Geth, Legion. They're going to be very rational, and if they see the galaxy and the creatures within it as a stiffling limitation, they'll devise a way to explore the rest of the universe since going to war against the entire ecosystem is completely absurd and develops only one particular strain of knowledge, which is War-Making, as opposed to all possible fields.

[The Angry One]

Dendio1 wrote...

Escocido wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

*snip*

Good for you. As a society we do terrible things to animals all the time. Go google PETA.
Animals are viewed as a lesser form of life compared to humans. After a singularity we would become a lesser form of life to synthetics.

Well, you really don't know that. Synthetics could be more merciful, don't have predatory instincts and no reason to kill us.

What proof do you have that all synthetics will be more merciful, once given the ability to outclass organic life in every way. This isn't isolated to the geth, but to all future synthetics as technology continues to advance.

We can't prove one or the other. Both outcomes may happen. Some say that given enough time both outcomes WILL happen. I say the possibility alone is enough reason to prevent giving synthetics such an overwhelming advantage over organics.

What proof do you have that humans won't one day blow up the universe?

[The Night Mammoth]

Dendio1 wrote...

What proof do you have that all synthetics will be more merciful, once given the ability to outclass organic life in every way.

They're friendly now. 

What proof do you have that this will change?

We can't prove one or the other. Both outcomes may happen. Some say that given enough time both outcomes WILL happen. I say the possibility alone is enough reason to prevent giving synthetics such an overwhelming advantage over organics.

You say that without having a semblence of proof. 

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Escocido wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

*snip*

Good for you. As a society we do terrible things to animals all the time. Go google PETA.
Animals are viewed as a lesser form of life compared to humans. After a singularity we would become a lesser form of life to synthetics.

Well, you really don't know that. Synthetics could be more merciful, don't have predatory instincts and no reason to kill us.

What proof do you have that all synthetics will be more merciful, once given the ability to outclass organic life in every way. This isn't isolated to the geth, but to all future synthetics as technology continues to advance.

We can't prove one or the other. Both outcomes may happen. Some say that given enough time both outcomes WILL happen. I say the possibility alone is enough reason to prevent giving synthetics such an overwhelming advantage over organics.

What proof do you have that humans won't one day blow up the universe?

Well, we did nearly blow up all advance life on earth....

[dreman9999]

Dendio1 wrote...

Escocido wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

*snip*

Good for you. As a society we do terrible things to animals all the time. Go google PETA.
Animals are viewed as a lesser form of life compared to humans. After a singularity we would become a lesser form of life to synthetics.

Well, you really don't know that. Synthetics could be more merciful, don't have predatory instincts and no reason to kill us.

What proof do you have that all synthetics will be more merciful, once given the ability to outclass organic life in every way. This isn't isolated to the geth, but to all future synthetics as technology continues to advance.

We can't prove one or the other. Both outcomes may happen. Some say that given enough time both outcomes WILL happen. I say the possibility alone is enough reason to prevent giving synthetics such an overwhelming advantage over organics.

Their nature...

Synthetics don't a  nature to seek needless conflict.....Organics do.
Also, Synthetics that are  in a singularity won't need anything.

Modifié par dreman9999, 31 mai 2012 - 07:38 .

[M0keys]

except we didn't...we saved ourselves

life has a tendency of finding ways to keep itself from wiping itself out most of the time.

[dreman9999]

M0keys wrote...

except we didn't...we saved ourselves

life has a tendency of finding ways to keep itself from wiping itself out most of the time.

We still are in  danger of it. Those nuclear weaopns did not go away, the conflict that drove us to use them went away. 
Also, we didn't save ourselves...We lucked out when one side burnt out. 

Modifié par dreman9999, 31 mai 2012 - 07:42 .

[Dendio1]

The Angry One wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Escocido wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

*snip*

Good for you. As a society we do terrible things to animals all the time. Go google PETA.
Animals are viewed as a lesser form of life compared to humans. After a singularity we would become a lesser form of life to synthetics.

Well, you really don't know that. Synthetics could be more merciful, don't have predatory instincts and no reason to kill us.

What proof do you have that all synthetics will be more merciful, once given the ability to outclass organic life in every way. This isn't isolated to the geth, but to all future synthetics as technology continues to advance.

We can't prove one or the other. Both outcomes may happen. Some say that given enough time both outcomes WILL happen. I say the possibility alone is enough reason to prevent giving synthetics such an overwhelming advantage over organics.

What proof do you have that humans won't one day blow up the universe?

To preserve organic life, the reapers stop organics from achieving technological advancement where they could end up wiping themselves out ( blowing the universe up, creating AI that could achieve technological singularity etc). The catalysts method of halting advancement is to destroy civilizations, while preserving genetic code ( and minds??) in reaper form. The lesser civilizations begin the cycle anew.

Modifié par Dendio1, 31 mai 2012 - 07:43 .

[dreman9999]

Dendio1 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Escocido wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

*snip*

Good for you. As a society we do terrible things to animals all the time. Go google PETA.
Animals are viewed as a lesser form of life compared to humans. After a singularity we would become a lesser form of life to synthetics.

Well, you really don't know that. Synthetics could be more merciful, don't have predatory instincts and no reason to kill us.

What proof do you have that all synthetics will be more merciful, once given the ability to outclass organic life in every way. This isn't isolated to the geth, but to all future synthetics as technology continues to advance.

We can't prove one or the other. Both outcomes may happen. Some say that given enough time both outcomes WILL happen. I say the possibility alone is enough reason to prevent giving synthetics such an overwhelming advantage over organics.

What proof do you have that humans won't one day blow up the universe?

 To preserve organic life, the reapers stop organics from achieving technological advancement where they could end up wiping themselves out ( blowing the universe up, creating AI that could achieve technological singularity etc). The catalysts method of halting advancement is to destroy civilations, while preserving genetic code ( and minds??) in reaper form. The lesser civilizations begin the cycle anew.

Do you understand that's forced evoultion and you didn't awnser the question....

Modifié par dreman9999, 31 mai 2012 - 07:43 .

[Fox In The Box]

The true Geth parted ways with the heretics based on the belief that every race have the right to self-determination. There are no evidence that they would not simply try to find an effective way to defend themselves against organics rather than destroy them. Organics can tell synthetics that their actions make them suffer. Somehow I doubt that humans would be so indifferent to animals suffering if animals could effectively communicate with them how much they suffer.

[M0keys]

dreman9999 wrote...

M0keys wrote...

except we didn't...we saved ourselves

life has a tendency of finding ways to keep itself from wiping itself out most of the time.

We still are in a danger of it. Those nuclear weaopns did not go away, the conflict that drove us to us them went away. 
Also, we didn't save ourselves...We lucked out when one side burnt out. 

But you don't save yourselves by blowing the other guys up. That's exactly what you were trying to prevent! see how that works? we have the threat, but the threat will also kill us all. blowing up the other guy will blow up your guys. the synthetics try to wipe out organics, I don't doubt the organics find some way to blow up the galaxy so nobody lives. and I don't doubt it'd make for an interesting plot for ME4. but that's not going to happen anymore is it

[The Night Mammoth]

Dendio1 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Escocido wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

*snip*

Good for you. As a society we do terrible things to animals all the time. Go google PETA.
Animals are viewed as a lesser form of life compared to humans. After a singularity we would become a lesser form of life to synthetics.

Well, you really don't know that. Synthetics could be more merciful, don't have predatory instincts and no reason to kill us.

What proof do you have that all synthetics will be more merciful, once given the ability to outclass organic life in every way. This isn't isolated to the geth, but to all future synthetics as technology continues to advance.

We can't prove one or the other. Both outcomes may happen. Some say that given enough time both outcomes WILL happen. I say the possibility alone is enough reason to prevent giving synthetics such an overwhelming advantage over organics.

What proof do you have that humans won't one day blow up the universe?

To preserve organic life, the reapers stop organics from achieving technological advancement where they could end up wiping themselves out ( blowing the universe up, creating AI that could achieve technological singularity etc). The catalysts method of halting advancement is to destroy civilizations, while preserving genetic code ( and minds??) in reaper form. The lesser civilizations begin the cycle anew.

Answer the question. 

[dreman9999]

M0keys wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

M0keys wrote...

except we didn't...we saved ourselves

life has a tendency of finding ways to keep itself from wiping itself out most of the time.

We still are in a danger of it. Those nuclear weaopns did not go away, the conflict that drove us to us them went away. 
Also, we didn't save ourselves...We lucked out when one side burnt out. 

But you don't save yourselves by blowing the other guys up. That's exactly what you were trying to prevent! see how that works? we have the threat, but the threat will also kill us all. blowing up the other guy will blow up your guys. the synthetics try to wipe out organics, I don't doubt the organics find some way to blow up the galaxy so nobody lives. and I don't doubt it'd make for an interesting plot for ME4. but that's not going to happen anymore is it

But with the reapers case they force evolution. I don't agree with it but I understand why one would think quelling organic nature would solve any future conflict.

[dreman9999]

Dendio1 wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

"We never wanted to harm organics. We wish to improve ourselves."

Sincerely,
Mass Effect's Synthetics

They do not love or hate you, but they can use your atoms for something else.

Tech singularity will push synthetics towards a state that we cannot comprehend. Even current synthetics such as Legion cannot comprehend what will result after the dyson spheres construction.

Ants cannot comprehend humans and look how nonchalantly we kill them. Apathy can be just as bad as intent.

We have killed off all ants I hope you know. And you clearly don't understand the conscept of what starts the conflict with SYNTHETICS.

The problem is that the shift of power would be given to synthetics. They would advance beyond what we comprehend. Organic life will be at the mercy of synthetics. We could choose to wipe out ants or continue to ignore them. We kill ants without a second thought and do horrible things to animals all the time.

is there any reason to believe that the geth would suddenly hate us all? they united with us to stop the reapers. legion was one of our best friends. we'd just be dealing with a new form of feeling, thinking life, not terminators.

Legion says that he cannot predict what will happen after the completed dyson sphere. The current geth goal is to simply improve themselves. We don't know what the goal will be after they achieve singularity. The best case scenario is that the geth remain friendly and respectful of organic life. The worst case is they find organic life to be meaningless or openly wish its extinction. The problem is post dyson sphere they will possess the ability to dominate organic life, since their tech will expand and continue to expand beyond comprehension.

This isn't just about the geth. Future technological advancements could lead to another AI race achieving singularity through different methods.

But he also say that the geth don't wish for comflict for organics and the only time they would be any form of that interaction would only happen if organics involved themselves with there lives...

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
But with the reapers case they force evolution/

They do not. Evolution cannot be 'forced'. 

[Dendio1]

dreman9999 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Escocido wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

*snip*

Good for you. As a society we do terrible things to animals all the time. Go google PETA.
Animals are viewed as a lesser form of life compared to humans. After a singularity we would become a lesser form of life to synthetics.

Well, you really don't know that. Synthetics could be more merciful, don't have predatory instincts and no reason to kill us.

What proof do you have that all synthetics will be more merciful, once given the ability to outclass organic life in every way. This isn't isolated to the geth, but to all future synthetics as technology continues to advance.

We can't prove one or the other. Both outcomes may happen. Some say that given enough time both outcomes WILL happen. I say the possibility alone is enough reason to prevent giving synthetics such an overwhelming advantage over organics.

What proof do you have that humans won't one day blow up the universe?

 To preserve organic life, the reapers stop organics from achieving technological advancement where they could end up wiping themselves out ( blowing the universe up, creating AI that could achieve technological singularity etc). The catalysts method of halting advancement is to destroy civilations, while preserving genetic code ( and minds??) in reaper form. The lesser civilizations begin the cycle anew.

Do you understand that's forced evoultion and you didn't awnser the question....

The reapers use the relays as a form of control over organic development. The mass effect technology becomes the center piece of organic development. This gives the reapers a ballpark number (50,000 years) of when its time to go in and cease technological advancement. It also gives them an advantage in combating tech they already know of.

Whether or not the humans WILL blow up the universe is irrelivant because star kid endeavors to destroy their civilization before they become capable. Star kid believes that once organics develop tech that can lead to their destruction, it eventually will. This is an entity that has existed for billions of years. His perspective is different from shepards....and the players ( which is why the narrative shift is so disorienting).

Modifié par Dendio1, 31 mai 2012 - 07:58 .

[dreman9999]

Dendio1 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Escocido wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

*snip*

Good for you. As a society we do terrible things to animals all the time. Go google PETA.
Animals are viewed as a lesser form of life compared to humans. After a singularity we would become a lesser form of life to synthetics.

Well, you really don't know that. Synthetics could be more merciful, don't have predatory instincts and no reason to kill us.

What proof do you have that all synthetics will be more merciful, once given the ability to outclass organic life in every way. This isn't isolated to the geth, but to all future synthetics as technology continues to advance.

We can't prove one or the other. Both outcomes may happen. Some say that given enough time both outcomes WILL happen. I say the possibility alone is enough reason to prevent giving synthetics such an overwhelming advantage over organics.

What proof do you have that humans won't one day blow up the universe?

 To preserve organic life, the reapers stop organics from achieving technological advancement where they could end up wiping themselves out ( blowing the universe up, creating AI that could achieve technological singularity etc). The catalysts method of halting advancement is to destroy civilations, while preserving genetic code ( and minds??) in reaper form. The lesser civilizations begin the cycle anew.

Do you understand that's forced evoultion and you didn't awnser the question....

The reapers use the relays as a form of control over organic development. The mass effect technology becomes the center piece of organic development. This gives the reapers a ballpark number (50,000 years) of when its time to go in and cease technological advancement. It also gives them an advantage in combating tech they already know of.

Whether or not the humans WILL blow up the universe is irrelivant because star kid endeavors to destroy their civilization before they become capable. Star kid believes that once organics develop tech that can lead to their destruction, it eventually will. This is an entity that has existed for billions of years. His perspective is different from shepards....and the players ( which is why the narrative shift is so disorienting).

Your still agreeing with me that the reapers force evolution And you still haven't give proof to you assumption that organic life will destroy thems selves.

[The Night Mammoth]

Dendio1 wrote...

The reapers use the relays as a form of control over organic development. The mass effect technology becomes the center piece of organic development. This gives the reapers a ballpark number (50,000 years) of when its time to go in and cease technological advancement. It also gives them an advantage in combating tech they already know of.

Whether or not the humans WILL blow up the universe is irrelivant because star kid endeavors to destroy their civilization before they become capable. Star kid believes that once organics develop tech that can lead to their destruction, it eventually will. This is an entity that has existed for billions of years. His perspective is different from shepards....and the players ( which is why the narrative shift is so disorienting).

Answer the question. 

[Taboo]

I trust Carl Sagan more than I do the Bioware writers.

If we do not destroy ourselves, one day we will venture to the stars.

Carl Sagan > Mac Walters.

DEAL WITH IT.

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
But with the reapers case they force evolution/

They do not. Evolution cannot be 'forced'. 

Look at any domecicated animal or planet...It can.
And the reapers are forcing evolution by making every advance life into reapers.

What does their phrase"Asension throught distruction" mean?

Listen to harbinger in ME2 and it's clear their intetions is to force evolution.

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I trust Carl Sagan more than I do the Bioware writers.

If we do not destroy ourselves, one day we will venture to the stars.

Carl Sagan > Mac Walters.

DEAL WITH IT.

But they used the same point. The story of ME reflect this with the fall of the drell race and the krogan.