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[Grimy Bunyip]

Krysae is not a real sniper rifle
Fer friggin sake its rounds explode after a flying a set distance.
what kinda "Sniper" rifle does that

I honesty

Krysae is OP on infiltrators and i'm not gonna explain why.
That's just a whole nother argument I don't want to get into.

But that's mostly because of the 1.4x sniper rifle damage on infiltrators.

Lets ignore 1.4x sniper damage on rank 6 tactical cloak for a second
Suddenly the picture is very different.
~0.8x the single target DPS of an equally ranked scorpion.
~1.1x the single target DPS of an equally ranked avenger
~0.9x the single target DPS of an equally ranked eagle

Which is still pretty good considering it's an AOE weapon.
But it's not epic faceroll OP like it is on a sniper infiltrator.

So the suggestion is simple
Change the krysae from sniper rifle to assault rifle.
That way it doesn't get the 1.4x sniper damage boost anymore.

Most sniper rifles are universally **** on non-sniper infiltrators.
but tactical cloak's 1.4x sniper damage makes them somewhere between viable and good.

Krysae is a sniper rifle that is reasonably balanced on any class that ISN'T a sniper infiltrator.
Thus it's completely OP on the sniper infiltrator

And lets be honest, the krysae really isn't a sniper rifle.
It fires cones of death that explode if you try to shoot too far away.

[MarchWaltz]

It's AOE? I did not notice, and I did shoot it into crowds.

[GodlessPaladin]

Making the Krysae an assault rifle would make it a much better balanced weapon simply because it wouldn't be such a blatant Infiltrator buff.   I support your idea wholeheartedly, Grimy.  *Two thumbs up for balance*

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 mai 2012 - 01:29 .

[G. P. Burdell]

very small aoe, and the aoe does significantly less damage

[FlamboyantRoy]

Krysae is fine. It's a very fun and different weapon. Leave it as it is. Don't change a thing.

Modifié par FlamboyantRoy, 31 mai 2012 - 01:29 .

[corvette3]

Really? i don't think it does enough damage without the Cloak bonus buff and is it really 140%? i thought 90% plus 40% was 130%

[Atheosis]

It would definitely help the issue, no doubt. Though I still believe that Tactical Cloak should've been nerfed long ago, and I'm not even a fan nerfs.

Tactical Cloak is stupid.

[Grimy Bunyip]

corvette3 wrote...

Really? i don't think it does enough damage without the Cloak bonus buff and is it really 140%? i thought 90% plus 40% was 130%

the rank 6 sniper damage works differently.
it's multiplicative, whereas the rest of the multipliers are additive.

so like lets say you have an extended barrel + tactical cloak.

you get damage*(1+90%+25%)*(1.4x)
the 1.4x being from rank 6 tactical cloak.

Atheosis wrote...

It would definitely help the issue, no
doubt. Though I still believe that Tactical Cloak should've been nerfed
long ago, and I'm not even a fan nerfs.

Tactical Cloak is stupid.

Nerfing tactical cloak wouldn't address the issue of the krysae being better than every other sniper rifle in the game though.
it'd just nerf infiltrators.
They would just be nerfed infiltrators that would still have no reason to use anything other than the krysae.

Modifié par Grimy Bunyip, 31 mai 2012 - 01:32 .

[Edalborez]

It already weighs the same as the Striker and Falcon. May as well lump them in with it too.

[GodlessPaladin]

corvette3 wrote...

Really? i don't think it does enough damage without the Cloak bonus buff and is it really 140%? i thought 90% plus 40% was 130%

+40% is 1.4x.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 mai 2012 - 01:31 .

[The Milky Waver]

I love using the infiltrator, and still agree with you, OP. It's way too powerful to be put into an infiltrator's hands.

[Rib0flavin]

If they do decide to nerf this gun, hopefully they go this route and make it an AR.

[GodlessPaladin]

Pretty much any other route for balancing it would relegate it to "just" being an expansion of the Infiltrator's glorious options.  It would still be an infiltrator buff (unless it was nerfed into actual uselessness), just a smaller one.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 mai 2012 - 01:34 .

[Impulse and Compulse]

Or, you know, they could always buff the mind-blowing plethora of underpowered tools instead.

[Grimy Bunyip]

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

Or, you know, they could always buff the mind-blowing plethora of underpowered tools instead.

You hav to realize this gun makes the black widow seem underpowered.
this path wouldn't just be "buff the mind blowing plethora of underpowered tools"
This would be the path of "buff every other gun in the game"
which is silly, it'd be easier and equivalent to nerf this gun then reduce the life points of all the enemies in the game if you're just doing that.

[GodlessPaladin]

Impulse and Compulse wrote...

Or, you know, they could always buff the mind-blowing plethora of underpowered tools instead.

The Krysae would be far from underpowered as an AR.  Just look at how I use it on the QME in the vids in my sig.

It just wouldn't be a straight up Infiltrator buff.  Geth Infiltrators don't need more buffs.  Grimy's suggestion is an elegant solution and deserves to be implemented.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 mai 2012 - 01:36 .

[corvette3]

Oh i see it multiplies over other sniper multipliers, does that mean that other powers that boost damage in separate ways also stack? I.E Tactical scans 25% dam buff with rank 4 7.5% weapon exclusive buff?

[Atheosis]

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

Krysae is fine. It's a very fun and different weapon. Leave it as it is. Don't change a thing.

Sorry, but I doubled the next player's score on my team with a level 15 GI equipped with a mid-level Kyrsae on a Gold run, and I'm really only an average to slightly above average Gold level player.  So there are definitely issues with the Kyrsae when combined with Infiltrators.  

Because of that I'm scared they will nerf the Kyrsae even though right now it is perfectly balanced on the other classes (on the high end yes, but really no better than many other well established quality guns).  I really don't want yet one more gun that is only really good on Infiltrators.  I like the Kyrsae on some of my other characters right now.

Modifié par Atheosis, 31 mai 2012 - 01:38 .

[Grimy Bunyip]

corvette3 wrote...

Oh i see it multiplies over other sniper multipliers, does that mean that other powers that boost damage in separate ways also stack? I.E Tactical scans 25% dam buff with rank 4 7.5% weapon exclusive buff?

nah.
most things are additive, there's only a handful of things that multiplies other multipliers.
rank 6 tactical cloak sniper damage and ammo consumables and power amp consumables being the only ones that I can think of right now.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

The gun would be fine if were one or more of these

-It were a ultra rare
-It weighed as much or more than a BW
-The gun did not "break" cover rules of the game.
-The gun was single shot per mag

But since its a pocket nuke. It NEEDS BALANCING.

[sliverofamoon]

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

Krysae is fine. It's a very fun and different weapon. Leave it as it is. Don't change a thing.

Enough with ASKING for nerfs for **** sakes... we already get enough of that as it is!

[GodlessPaladin]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
-It were a ultra rare

Doesn't actually change the balance and still relegates it to buffing Geth Infiltrators.  Moreover it'd be ridiculous to retroactively change the rarity of a weapon.

-It weighed as much or more than a BW

This wouldn't affect Infiltrators in ANY way.

Your suggestions would not work.  Grimy's would go a long way.

sliverofamoon wrote...
Enough with ASKING for nerfs for **** sakes... we already get enough of that as it is!

Grimy's suggestion wouldn't even nerf it at all for non-Infiltrators, and it would still be an excellent weapon on Infiltrators.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 mai 2012 - 01:45 .

[corvette3]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

The gun would be fine if were one or more of these

-It were a ultra rare
-It weighed as much or more than a BW
-The gun did not "break" cover rules of the game.
-The gun was single shot per mag

But since its a pocket nuke. It NEEDS BALANCING.

1 irrelevant when most of us have probably maxed it.
2 maybe, but it may need a bit more damage if this happened.
3 it does? i can't hit things through cover.
4 same as 2, it might need a bit more damge if this happened.

[GodlessPaladin]

corvette3 wrote...
2 maybe, but it may need a bit more damage if this happened.

That would actually make it even more of a Geth Infiltrator buff than it already is.

[Holiday]

Just as ridiculous as it would be to change a gun from one weapon class to another.