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[Grimy Bunyip]

Variasaber wrote...

Wait what. The Eagle has higher DPS than the Avenger now?

eagle X > avenger X

Eagle I, Eagle II, Eagle III, etc < Avenger X

[Yajuu Omoi]

Atheosis wrote...

It would definitely help the issue, no doubt. Though I still believe that Tactical Cloak should've been nerfed long ago, and I'm not even a fan nerfs.

Tactical Cloak is stupid.

try using it...then see how stupid that statement is.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

Variasaber wrote...

Wait what. The Eagle has higher DPS than the Avenger now?

eagle X > avenger X

Eagle I, Eagle II, Eagle III, etc < Avenger X

YOU UNDERSTAND!!! ^-^
Now if others would just listen...

[JGDD]

Meistr_Chef wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

So what exactly is your unpoint here? It doesn't change the fact that the weapon is still overpowered on bronze and silver.

Oh please. There are tons of weapons that are "overpowered" for bronze. Once a new player gets used to the multiplayer and finds his/her groove, bronze is going to be easy.

Go please yourself. Convenient of you to skip over parts of the post that go beyond bronze. In the hands of competent players this weapon is cruise control even on gold.

[ArkkAngel007]

They should either leave it as is, or remove the AoE. In any case, it is ok for weapons to standout, especially the rarer ones. There are too many weapons that would be decent if they were allowed to play to their strengths.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Meistr_Chef wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

So what exactly is your unpoint here? It doesn't change the fact that the weapon is still overpowered on bronze and silver.

Oh please. There are tons of weapons that are "overpowered" for bronze. Once a new player gets used to the multiplayer and finds his/her groove, bronze is going to be easy.

Widow, on bronze? its a joke!!! hit, kill, hit, kill, hit, kill...everything cept bosses...those are...hit, reload, hit, reload, hit, kill. lol

[A Wild Snorlax]

How about leave it as it is, and don't use it on the infiltrator if you think it's so OP on the infiltrator.


Using the best weapons on the best class = strong combo. No **** sherlock.

The GPS is a really good gun, when you put it on the infiltrator it becomes borderline OP. Does that mean you have to use it every time? No, it gets boring to use the same weapons all the time. Same goes for snipers. Having good weapons in this game is a good thing, having a new good sniper is a good thing. Now we can use something else to snipe with other then the god damn boring black widow every  time

This game is easy and you can beat gold with most class and weapon combos. Therefore there is no reason to use the best guns on the most OP class in the game every time.

Maybe the OP should try challenging himself by using something other than an infiltrator for once. Just because you have an option to put the best weapon in the game on the best class that doesn't mean you have to do it. No one is forcing you to use the Krysae on the infiltrator.

Modifié par A Wild Snorlax, 31 mai 2012 - 02:54 .

[Meistr_Chef]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Meistr_Chef wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

So what exactly is your unpoint here? It doesn't change the fact that the weapon is still overpowered on bronze and silver.

Oh please. There are tons of weapons that are "overpowered" for bronze. Once a new player gets used to the multiplayer and finds his/her groove, bronze is going to be easy.

Go please yourself. Convenient of you to skip over parts of the post that go beyond bronze. In the hands of competent players this weapon is cruise control even on gold.

I chose to comment on bronze because it's in your post that was ridiculous.

Aside from that:

So are you speaking for yourself or others? If you are speaking for yourself then you can choose to stop using the weapon. For others...well let's just wait and see how things turn out.

Let's face it; the elite of the elite got the weapon to level X so easily because they've probably maxed out everything else. A vast majority of players don't do that. Basing the balancing of a game off the 90% percentile of gamers (stats out my ass but it's the spirit of it) is doing the community a disservice.

Modifié par Meistr_Chef, 31 mai 2012 - 02:50 .

[Firesteel]

First I want to see it work all the time against armored targets, as I recall there is a bug where it will hit an armored target then do no damage. I would say for balance, lower its rate of fire slightly and give it the AP we see in its description.

[Master Xanthan]

Aryck1095 V2 wrote...

The Krysae is perfect the way it is. Enough with the nerf threads. It's bad enough we're losing the Kishock...

I agree.

[DarkOrgasm]

[quote]justgimmedudedammit wrote...

[quote]Meistr_Chef wrote...

[quote]justgimmedudedammit wrote...

So what exactly is your unpoint here? It doesn't change the fact that the weapon is still overpowered on bronze and silver.

[/quote]

Oh please. There are tons of weapons that are "overpowered" for bronze. Once a new player gets used to the multiplayer and finds his/her groove, bronze is going to be easy.[/quote]

Go please yourself. Convenient of you to skip over parts of the post that go beyond bronze. In the hands of competent players this weapon is cruise control even on gold.
......................


Combined with Arc grenade carpet bombing, Gold becomes Bronze.  Nerf all things!

Modifié par DarkOrgasm, 31 mai 2012 - 03:00 .

[TheKyrillos13]

I have yet to have my Krysae do "terrific" damage against truly armored enemies. It works great as a sweeper. If "cruise control" on Gold means taking out mobs like it was designed to be, then I dont see a problem.

[soldo9149]

Hey it will give the AR's another decent weapon to work with finally.

[Grimy Bunyip]

TheKyrillos13 wrote...

I have yet to have my Krysae do "terrific" damage against truly armored enemies. It works great as a sweeper. If "cruise control" on Gold means taking out mobs like it was designed to be, then I dont see a problem.

the krysae's DPS vs armored targets is very good, comparable to the black widow, no less than 10% worse at equal ranks.
and that's saying a lot, not many guns are better than the black widow at that job.

a lot of people are having the illusion that they're doing less damage to armor, because bioware removed headshots from primes and double shots on atlases.
and thus they're used to dealing around double dps, which is no longer possible.

the krysae is a beast against armor, it can kill a brute in 3 bullets.
2 with consumables.
takes 3 armor bars off an atlas per shot.

[Meistr_Chef]

TheKyrillos13 wrote...

I have yet to have my Krysae do "terrific" damage against truly armored enemies. It works great as a sweeper. If "cruise control" on Gold means taking out mobs like it was designed to be, then I dont see a problem.

Exactly. I can't be doing anything wrong because every single one of my tactical cloaked Krysae shots land on Banshees and Primes and etc and it still took a nominal amount of time to kill them. It's not like I melted through them with ease.

For reference, I use my Paladin with higher killrate, but it lacks the crowd control stagger.

edit: Level 1 Krysae only though.

Modifié par Meistr_Chef, 31 mai 2012 - 03:04 .

[JGDD]

Meistr_Chef wrote...

Let's face it; the elite of the elite got the weapon to level X so easily because they've probably maxed out everything else. A vast majority of players don't do that. Basing the balancing of a game off the 90% percentile of gamers (stats out my ass but it's the spirit of it) is doing the community a disservice.

Agree.

A bigger disservice is releasing poorly balanced items from the start. This puts it the hands of many in a broken or clearly unbalanced state and it becomes the bar from which to judge them. Bioware's testers are not doing the community any great favors by using the tactic. It puts a big chunk of the user base at odds with each other over the pros/cons of the items in question.

[xabkish]

A very elegant solution indeed. I support it by all means, it would make this gun a good, fun to use and very gold viable weapon instead of being a pocket nuke for Infiltrators. You're a smart man, Grimy

As a side note, it's a funny idea for me because that's how I use it right now — firing from hip, just like it's a usual unscoped AR

UPD: To everyone concerned about damage to armor: this gun does not pierce physical layers of armor, such as those of Brutes, therefore you have to actually aim (huh, it sounds like it's something unusual for a sniper rifle) when you're thooting them.

Modifié par xabkish, 31 mai 2012 - 03:15 .

[Grimy Bunyip]

Meistr_Chef wrote...

TheKyrillos13 wrote...

I have yet to have my Krysae do "terrific" damage against truly armored enemies. It works great as a sweeper. If "cruise control" on Gold means taking out mobs like it was designed to be, then I dont see a problem.

Exactly. I can't be doing anything wrong because every single one of my tactical cloaked Krysae shots land on Banshees and Primes and etc and it still took a nominal amount of time to kill them. It's not like I melted through them with ease.

For reference, I use my Paladin with higher killrate, but it lacks the crowd control stagger.

edit: Level 1 Krysae only though.

name a weapon that deals faster damage to armored targets than the kysae?
There are a few.
Black widow, indra, hurricane, harrier. talon
But none of these are better by a huge margin, except the hurricane with AP ammo.
and the harrier to a lesser extent.
can you name any others?

Modifié par Grimy Bunyip, 31 mai 2012 - 03:11 .

[Drummernate]

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

name a weapon that deals faster damage to armored targets than the kysae?
There are a few.
Black widow, indra, hurricane, harrier. talon
But none of these are better by a huge margin, except the hurricane with AP ammo.
and the harrier to a lesser extent.
can you name any others?

Claymore.

[Boceephus]

Meistr_Chef wrote...

TheKyrillos13 wrote...

I have yet to have my Krysae do "terrific" damage against truly armored enemies. It works great as a sweeper. If "cruise control" on Gold means taking out mobs like it was designed to be, then I dont see a problem.

Exactly. I can't be doing anything wrong because every single one of my tactical cloaked Krysae shots land on Banshees and Primes and etc and it still took a nominal amount of time to kill them. It's not like I melted through them with ease.

For reference, I use my Paladin with higher killrate, but it lacks the crowd control stagger.

edit: Level 1 Krysae only though.

Hey, I'm with you. Maybe I'm doing something very wrong (entirely possible) but this gun takes me from 1-2 to dead last on gold matches every time. At times it seems to be doing nothing at all, I almost hate it. But people want to nerf it because it's overpowered and I feel like im on the outside of an inside joke.

[Grimy Bunyip]

Drummernate wrote...

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

name a weapon that deals faster damage to armored targets than the kysae?
There are a few.
Black widow, indra, hurricane, harrier. talon
But none of these are better by a huge margin, except the hurricane with AP ammo.
and the harrier to a lesser extent.
can you name any others?

Claymore.

oh right I forgot that one
But you need to medigel cancel and squeeze both shots in a cloak window.
making the claymore less DPS vs armored targets on the consoles than the krysae, since that's not quite as feasible.

[Meistr_Chef]

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

Meistr_Chef wrote...

TheKyrillos13 wrote...

I have yet to have my Krysae do "terrific" damage against truly armored enemies. It works great as a sweeper. If "cruise control" on Gold means taking out mobs like it was designed to be, then I dont see a problem.

Exactly. I can't be doing anything wrong because every single one of my tactical cloaked Krysae shots land on Banshees and Primes and etc and it still took a nominal amount of time to kill them. It's not like I melted through them with ease.

For reference, I use my Paladin with higher killrate, but it lacks the crowd control stagger.

edit: Level 1 Krysae only though.

name a weapon that deals faster damage to armored targets than the kysae?
There are a few.
Black widow, indra, hurricane, harrier. talon
But none of these are better by a huge margin, except the hurricane with AP ammo.
and the harrier to a lesser extent.
can you name any others?

That's my point. The Krysae isn't drastically outstripping them. If it was I'd notice it. The Paladin is comparable to a Black Widow and that was my reference. If going by the tone of your post etc and not having experienced the gun myself I'd have thought "damn this gun is the best thing ever". But it's not. It's a good-great gun and huzzah.

[Deucetipher]

This is a fantastically elegant solution. I wholeheartedly support the move the AR category. My only concern is whether such a move would do away with the hip-fire penalty. If so, would actually be a buff on all non-infiltrator classes. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just wondering about y'all's thoughts.

[Grimy Bunyip]

Meistr_Chef wrote...

That's my point. The Krysae isn't drastically outstripping them. If it was I'd notice it. The Paladin is comparable to a Black Widow and that was my reference. If going by the tone of your post etc and not having experienced the gun myself I'd have thought "damn this gun is the best thing ever". But it's not. It's a good-great gun and huzzah.

no, it isn't outstripping them.
But it is keeping up, very closely.
less than 10% less than the black widow, perhaps even better if you know how to proxy mine stack debuffs.
but this gun does outstrip every other gun for mobs, completely and utterly.

lets kill all the lesser mobs 2x faster than any other comparable sniper rifle.
Then lose 10% seconds off every atlas kill compared to the other best boss killers in the game.
that is not good balance.

Modifié par Grimy Bunyip, 31 mai 2012 - 03:23 .

[Big_Choppa]

The gun is fine as is. It's ammo capacity is bad as it is and it's not as good as the other high damage sniper rifles against bigger enemies such as the Brutes, Primes, or Atlas. Making it weigh a little bit more would be fine but not nerfing it into oblivion. Stop nerfing the fun out of everything. We already have an explosive assault rifle called the striker and it's hardly used if ever used past silver.

Modifié par Big_Choppa, 31 mai 2012 - 03:23 .