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[Warp92]

Wulfram, it takes time to even discover planets with Telescopes... there are around (currently) 700 ish planets discovered and that only took like a decade... as I mentioned before there are at least two or three times more planets than there are suns .. and we have like 200-400 billion stars do the math bro

[Taboo]

Who the HELL thought this was a good idea?

WALTERS?

[The Night Mammoth]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Who the HELL thought this was a good idea?

WALTERS?

Most likely, Weekes doesn't seem overly fond of the idea given certain statements over twitter and in interviews. 

This is more of an issue because of a point you talked about long ago. Well, a few weeks anyway. People are p*ssed, so they imagine the negative scenarios despite any evidence to the contrary, despite outright being told by the developers certain things to make it all a bit brighter. 

Can't say that effect doesn't happen on me either. 

[Taboo]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Who the HELL thought this was a good idea?

WALTERS?

Most likely, Weekes doesn't seem overly fond of the idea given certain statements over twitter and in interviews. 

This is more of an issue because of a point you talked about long ago. Well, a few weeks anyway. People are p*ssed, so they imagine the negative scenarios despite any evidence to the contrary, despite outright being told by the developers certain things to make it all a bit brighter. 

Can't say that effect doesn't happen on me either. 

We're still in deep poo if they are disabled in Control, I mean, can we UNDISABLE them?

I'd like to head canon that the resources to rebuild them lie within the Reapers and that we can retrieve it from them regardless of which ending you choose.

[The Angry One]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'd like to head canon that the resources to rebuild them lie within the Reapers and that we can retrieve it from them regardless of which ending you choose.

I really see no way you'd get anything from the Reapers in synthesis, since they're free to do what they like.

[Wulfram]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

It requires a magnetic field of sufficient strength.

You could do it above Earth, but whether something like Pluto is viable is unknown.

The codex seems to indicate it can work on pretty much any planet.  The only issue is how fast.  At the least, it would seem likely to work on any gas giant, which are the easiest planets to find.

One mistake and everyone is dead. The chances of a mistake are high given the variables and margins.

I don't see the big dangers.

I'm not saying they won't work it out eventually, for for now, centuries most likely, everyone is stuck around Earth unilt the situation stabalizes. 

Two further points though.

All of this assumes that people wont try to rebuild the Relays again, which is most likely what everyone will try to do first.

Of course they'll try to rebuild the relays.  That doesn't stop them doing other things.

It also assumes the people of Mass Effect have the same-mindset. To them, interstellar travel to any reasonable degree is impossible. 

They know interstellar travel is very possible.  Not to mention, the Reapers have just demonstrated long range interstellar travel capabilities.

[The Angry One]

Wulfram wrote...

They know interstellar travel is very possible.  Not to mention, the Reapers have just demonstrated long range interstellar travel capabilities.

The Reapers are perpetual motion machines that don't need to discharge their cores.
They're also more than twice as fast. Good luck emulating that.

[Wulfram]

Warp92 wrote...

Wulfram, it takes time to even discover planets with Telescopes... there are around (currently) 700 ish planets discovered and that only took like a decade... as I mentioned before there are at least two or three times more planets than there are suns .. and we have like 200-400 billion stars do the math bro

I'm not sure I understand your point.  There's no need to discover all the planets in the galaxy.  Just a convenient chain to serve as discharge stop offs on the way to the known target of our choice.

And obviously I'm assuming there's been significant technological advancement from current technology.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Honestly, I think they need to just rewrite the the Battle of London and put an extended ending on it with a fourth option; eliminate the Joker/Normandy flight; change the conversation with Starbrat, and eliminate the Mass Relay destruction from all the endings. Maybe even change the way the crucible works.

You guys are being way too optimistic about these races getting home in the time frames. You're not including ship maintenance. Food. Running into hostiles. It could take decades. Many won't make it.

It would be easier than fixing it. WTF was Walters thinking?

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 31 mai 2012 - 08:18 .

[Taboo]

The Angry One wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'd like to head canon that the resources to rebuild them lie within the Reapers and that we can retrieve it from them regardless of which ending you choose.

I really see no way you'd get anything from the Reapers in synthesis, since they're free to do what they like.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. YOU'LL UPSET THE PRO-SYNTHESIS PEOPLE.

Synthesis is introduced so poorly it makes my brain hurt. Walters...I can't even....

The failure...

[The Angry One]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

It would be easier than fixing it. WTF was Walters thinking?

"Smashy smashy!"?

Honestly, I have no idea. You want to talk about beyond our comprehension?
Well I can't comprehend why anyone would so brazenly destroy a universe with so much potential.

Maybe he thought it'd be memorable. Maybe he thought since Ron Moore obliterated his universe, then he could do it too and be praised forever! Except.. you know, that's not what Ron Moore has ever been praised for. Sure, I've seen people try to defend and justify the idiotic tripe that is the Battlestar Galactica ending, but praise it? Nope.

[Taboo]

The Angry One wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

It would be easier than fixing it. WTF was Walters thinking?

"Smashy smashy!"?

Honestly, I have no idea. You want to talk about beyond our comprehension?
Well I can't comprehend why anyone would so brazenly destroy a universe with so much potential.

Maybe he thought it'd be memorable. Maybe he thought since Ron Moore obliterated his universe, then he could do it too and be praised forever! Except.. you know, that's not what Ron Moore has ever been praised for. Sure, I've seen people try to defend and justify the idiotic tripe that is the Battlestar Galactica ending, but praise it? Nope.

Walters is a very blunt writer. He reminds me of an explotation director. He just kills and kills and kills to justify an audience reaction.

That isn't deep, it's manipulative.

And it makes for ****ty writing.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Oh, one thing you're forgetting about the Krogan... all the females are back on Tuchanka. Thank the goddess. So the Krogan aren't going to overpopulate the Sol system after all. Those who are left will probably join organized crime families as "muscle."

[The Night Mammoth]

[quote]Wulfram wrote...

The codex seems to indicate it can work on pretty much any planet.  The only issue is how fast.  At the least, it would seem likely to work on any gas giant, which are the easiest planets to find.[/quote]

Obviously, but that's the danger. 

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[quote]I don't see the big dangers.[/quote]

I know, but I do. 

[quote]
Of course they'll try to rebuild the relays.  That doesn't stop them doing other things.[/quote]

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No, but rebuilding the Relays are the first thing everyone is going to try before trying something else. 

[quote]

They know interstellar travel is very possible. [/quote]

Nihlus would suggest otherwise. So would the codex.

[quote]Not to mention, the Reapers have just demonstrated long range interstellar travel capabilities.

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The Reapers have zero limitations, the theoretical time it takes is a reality for them. 

They also have technology far above ours. 

[Funkdrspot]

The Angry One wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

Oh god not this again. everytime this comes up, retakers just act obtuse and whiny with a million selfwwdefeating micro excuses. i honestly think a new logical fallacy needs to created so i can sum up and dismiss this debate tactic in a single word

Yes yes much better to believe in space magic, salvaging Reapers despite the inherent danger and FTL powered by pink ponies.

And they say those of us who want a happy ending are about the puppies.

lol here comes the BSN resident eyore. if i had to name one person that fits the bill of my earlier post, it would be you. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Funkdrspot wrote...
lol here comes the BSN resident eyore. if i had to name one person that fits the bill of my earlier post, it would be you. 

Careful everyonen, stay upwind, here we have a wonderful natural specimen: the self-percieved 'badass'. 

[The Angry One]

Funkdrspot wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

Oh god not this again. everytime this comes up, retakers just act obtuse and whiny with a million selfwwdefeating micro excuses. i honestly think a new logical fallacy needs to created so i can sum up and dismiss this debate tactic in a single word

Yes yes much better to believe in space magic, salvaging Reapers despite the inherent danger and FTL powered by pink ponies.

And they say those of us who want a happy ending are about the puppies.

lol here comes the BSN resident eyore. if i had to name one person that fits the bill of my earlier post, it would be you. 

I see all you have is insults and complaints. You're not worth my time. Go off to whatever bridge you emerged from.

[Taboo]

Funkdrspot wrote...
lol here comes the BSN resident eyore. if i had to name one person that fits the bill of my earlier post, it would be you. 

Watch out guys, we've got a bot over here!

What right to you have to believe your opinion is more valid than hers?

[NS Wizdum]

Funkdrspot wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

Oh god not this again. everytime this comes up, retakers just act obtuse and whiny with a million selfwwdefeating micro excuses. i honestly think a new logical fallacy needs to created so i can sum up and dismiss this debate tactic in a single word

Yes yes much better to believe in space magic, salvaging Reapers despite the inherent danger and FTL powered by pink ponies.

And they say those of us who want a happy ending are about the puppies.

lol here comes the BSN resident eyore. if i had to name one person that fits the bill of my earlier post, it would be you. 

There is no way to headcannon your way out of the bleak ending of Mass Effect 3. Everyone either dies quickly, or less quickly. Without some unknown magical plot device (they find a teleporter inside the broken pirces of citadel), everyone is screwed.

Small groups may survive, but they will be isolated and primitive, it will be far from a "civilization".

Modifié par NS Wizdum, 31 mai 2012 - 08:53 .

[Funkdrspot]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

Oh god not this again. everytime this comes up, retakers just act obtuse and whiny with a million selfwwdefeating micro excuses. i honestly think a new logical fallacy needs to created so i can sum up and dismiss this debate tactic in a single word

That would be productive.

Then your new logical fallacy can be ignored and we can all get on with discussing/not discussing as we please instead of having self-righteous ass-hats come along and try to oversee the discussion like some pseudo-arbiters of common sense. 

lol so much wrong with your post. wants logical discussion, ignores logical fallacies. wants discussion, resorts to ad hominem. wants discussion, considers people who think logically "self righteous". carry on

[Funkdrspot]

Ns wizdom, I actually DID headcanon my way out of the ending and you know what the retakers did when they found themselves on the losing side of the argument? They bailed. That's not logic, that's emotion they're thinking with. They want a new ending and are using preceived logic and plot disconnects as their thinly veiled excuse for one. But when presented with info that ties up 1 problem, they just move to the next issue and when that issue is resolved, they'll move back to the previous one. A vicious cycle where everyone talks, no one listens and everyone just seems to want to affirm their own opinions. The few intelligent people on this earth don't worry about affirming or group-think, they actively challenge their opinion for validity.

[The Night Mammoth]

Funkdrspot wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

Oh god not this again. everytime this comes up, retakers just act obtuse and whiny with a million selfwwdefeating micro excuses. i honestly think a new logical fallacy needs to created so i can sum up and dismiss this debate tactic in a single word

That would be productive.

Then your new logical fallacy can be ignored and we can all get on with discussing/not discussing as we please instead of having self-righteous ass-hats come along and try to oversee the discussion like some pseudo-arbiters of common sense. 

lol so much wrong with your post. wants logical discussion, ignores logical fallacies. wants discussion, resorts to ad hominem. wants discussion, considers people who think logically "self righteous". carry on

Only one thing wrong with your post.

You think I want a reasonable discussion with everyone.

I don't want a reasonable discussion with you. 

Hence, the post I created. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 31 mai 2012 - 09:06 .

[NS Wizdum]

Funkdrspot wrote...

Ns wizdom, I actually DID headcanon my way out of the ending and you know what the retakers did when they found themselves on the losing side of the argument? They bailed. That's not logic, that's emotion they're thinking with. They want a new ending and are using preceived logic and plot disconnects as their thinly veiled excuse for one. But when presented with info that ties up 1 problem, they just move to the next issue and when that issue is resolved, they'll move back to the previous one. A vicious cycle where everyone talks, no one listens and everyone just seems to want to affirm their own opinions. The few intelligent people on this earth don't worry about affirming or group-think, they actively challenge their opinion for validity.

Huh, kind of like how you just ignored my post, and went back to complaining about the Retakers.

[Grimwick]

Well it's not the worst possible scenario because ME seems to ignore all relativistic effects which would hinder reasonable travel.

But that still leaves the entire fleet hundreds of days, if not years, away from wherever they came from.
It's irrational to believe that everything will be hunky-dory after Priority: earth and they'll probably all end up very much dead or isolated.

[Funkdrspot]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...
lol here comes the BSN resident eyore. if i had to name one person that fits the bill of my earlier post, it would be you. 

Watch out guys, we've got a bot over here!

What right to you have to believe your opinion is more valid than hers?

because im far more objective and because i would never subscribe to the microsexcuse debate tactic where i constantly throw up bill oreilly type spin where one side can continually throw out a new excuse in 10 seconds which takes the other side 100x longer to answer and the other side either gets flooded with micro excuses to answer or simply gives up due to the sheer time it takes to answer each seemingly mindless opinion. its basically when you can tell that someone has literally put zero thought into their answer b/c it takes you all of one minute to think of an answer. "tide goes in, tide goes out. you cant explain that!" it would take me 30 min of physics and gravity to explain, and then the response would be some variation of the initial question.