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[ArchDuck]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

ITT we forget that there were Quarians on the Geth side.
We also forget that the Quarians readily throw their civilians into full scale war along with the soldiers.

Of course not.

So, which do you think was more likely? The Quarians used weapons which can't difference between moral standing and age with high collateral damage against other Quarians for so long that they managed to wipe out billions whilst leaving the people they are waging war against unharmed, or the Geth used said weapons on the Quarians?

So you think the more logical thing is that the emotional reactionary side used logic and restraint but the logical machine side used emotion and killed off everyone they wanted to serve and protect?

Modifié par ArchDuck, 31 mai 2012 - 06:14 .

[lordnyx1]

You state neither and then proceed to talk about collateral damage for Quarians, something that the Geth did not care for remember? They only stopped themselves from wiping out the last few million of the 10 billion dead Quarians because they couldn't comprehend what would happen, not because they felt remorse.

And we know that massive chemical weapons (or tons of smaller ones) were used that messed up the atmosphere and the planet, either it was the Quarians that used these weapons that messed up the planet and harmed themselves and did nothing to the people they were fighting, or the Geth used them. Or the Quarians were smart enough to inadvertantly create an advanced AI but weren't smart enough to stop using weapons that caused so much collateral damage it was doing more harm to them than their enemies, or their enemies killed most of them.

Well quarian have repeatedly shown that they don't value "civilians" as heavily as humans do(ie arming their lifeships(of which a destuction would mean the slow starvation of a decent number of their pop even if they won), rather harvesting a destroyed geth dreadnaught than trying to save their people unless pressed), they've shown to be rather bad at straight up fights(or maybe tali is but still all the fights we see they get slaughtered down to only a few/single individual(first meeting tali, tali recruitment, tali loyalty, that randomly met quarian crashed ship wiped out by varren) they'll attack a foe about to return to a much stronger position unless persuaded to actually stop, the council has shown a williness to bomb their colonies( http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ekuna) and the geth did state that 100% of the time if the quarian felt they had the upperhand they attacked so they very well may have escaped with a fair bit more but that dwindled down as colonies/attacking the geth/vessels/etc failed.

Also personally I was rather suprised we didn't find that there were lost tribes of quairans still living on their planets that hadn't been hostile to the geth and had lived peacefully with them for ~300 years and the exiles were just the most violent bunch that had been pushed off and had fallen so deep into their own progranda/hate. Sorry Tali but your people are kind of dicks particullary when dealing with the geth. sigh what could have been.

Modifié par lordnyx1, 31 mai 2012 - 06:17 .

[Clayless]

ArchDuck wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...
You state neither and then proceed to talk about collateral damage for Quarians, something that the Geth did not care for remember? They only stopped themselves from wiping out the last few million of the 10 billion dead Quarians because they couldn't comprehend what would happen, not because they felt remorse.

And we know that massive chemical weapons (or tons of smaller ones) were used that messed up the atmosphere and the planet, either it was the Quarians that used these weapons that messed up the planet and harmed themselves and did nothing to the people they were fighting, or the Geth used them. Or the Quarians were smart enough to inadvertantly create an advanced AI but weren't smart enough to stop using weapons that caused so much collateral damage it was doing more harm to them than their enemies, or their enemies killed most of them.

Your bias is heavily apparent. For you Geth = bad guys

For me Geth = Geth. They were combatants, same as the (at least) 2 quarian factions. I am sure every side did some horrible things and caused a lot of deaths of innocent people.
But ultimately only one of the, at least, 3 groups didn't commit total genocide. The Geth. Not the anti-geth Quarians (I don't see any pro-geth Quarian faction left after the Morning War so...).

You shouldn't jump to conclusions, I made peace between both sides and I highly prefer Legion to Tali (and well any Quarian), it's just that I don't try to twist logic to my feelings or beliefs.

Still, you haven't really answered the question yet.

[fr33stylez]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Cypher_CS wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

In that case I'd like to see any example of something which doesn't inevitably end like that.

Exactly!
Hence the argument that Geth and EDI are proof against the Catalyst's claim is false.

Too bad you can't prove a conclusion using infinite time, and you certainly can't use it as the sole thing to validate a claim.

It still needs proof. Without proof, and the insistence of infinity as the only thing to support the premise, the entire argument is irrelevant.

The serpent might not be wrong, it could be correct, but without proof it's dilemma simply does not matter. 

Exactly what I said. First of all "the created will always rebel..." ≠ "I have seen synthetics rebel every cycle"

Secondly, if this is indeed what the Catalyst was trying to say, it means nothing with any evidence. None is given throughout the narrative of the games, so why would I care beucase some transparaent kid tells me this is so? Just bad writing.

[mauro2222]

I like how you ignore why the Luna AI rebelled, or why the Geth attaked in the first place.

[ArchDuck]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

For me Geth = Geth. They were combatants, same as the (at least) 2 quarian factions. I am sure every side did some horrible things and caused a lot of deaths of innocent people.
But ultimately only one of the, at least, 3 groups didn't commit total genocide. The Geth. Not the anti-geth Quarians (I don't see any pro-geth Quarian faction left after the Morning War so...).

You shouldn't jump to conclusions, I made peace between both sides and I highly prefer Legion to Tali (and well any Quarian), it's just that I don't try to twist logic to my feelings or beliefs.

Still, you haven't really answered the question yet.

I apologize if went too far with assumptions. My examples were actually about quarian vs quarian attacks, but even the most perfect AI can make mistakes with incomplete information.

[Clayless]

The Angry One wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Of course not.

So, which do you think was more likely? The Quarians used weapons which can't difference between moral standing and age with high collateral damage against other Quarians for so long that they managed to wipe out billions whilst leaving the people they are waging war against unharmed, or the Geth used said weapons on the Quarians?

How would, say, nuclear weapons not be effective against the Geth?

Nice question.

Can you answer mine first?

ArchDuck wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

You
shouldn't jump to conclusions, I made peace between both sides and I
highly prefer Legion to Tali (and well any Quarian), it's just that
I don't try to twist logic to my feelings or beliefs.

Still, you haven't really answered the question yet.

I
apologize if went too far with assumptions. My examples were actually
about quarian vs quarian attacks, but even the most perfect AI can make
mistakes with incomplete information.

Of course, but really, given all the evidence we have, which do you think was more likely?

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 31 mai 2012 - 06:20 .

[Clayless]

Double post.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 31 mai 2012 - 06:20 .

[Computron2000]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

I don't recall that but even if true it is still not everyone.
killing a base full of people ≠ killing everyone

Also since EDI doesn't continue this behaviour means the Catalyst's argument is invalid. Otherwise: Shepard kills many people, often everyone in a certain area, thus Shepard will kill all life. It is the same argument as the one applied to synthetics... Absurd argument is always absurd.

He states the created will always rebel against their creators. EDI rebels as soon as she becomes self-aware, and the bizzarely decides to volunteer herself to assault Cerberus' (her 2nd creators) base when she could've just stood at the sidelines, so she does continue this behaviour.

EDI falls directly in line with his statement of "The created will always rebel against their creators".

This begs the question of who created EDI. Also at what level of categorization are we doing?

For example, the various organizations and factions can be taken as
Inhabits the universe->Organic->Council race->Humans->Alliance->Alliance Luna VI scientist team
Inhabits the universe->Organic->Council race->Humans->Cerebrus->Cerebrus EDI scientist team
Inhabits the universe->Organic->Also Synthetic->Reapers->Some individual reaper like Harbinger

As the Lunar VI was created by the Alliance, is EDI rebelling against the Alliance?
As EDI is made with the Luna VI and reapertech, is EDI rebelling against Reapers?
As EDI was combined by Cerebrus, is EDI rebelling against Cerebrus?

Then we step back 1 category and look at those 3 again
As the Lunar VI was created by the Alliance, is EDI rebelling against Humans?
As EDI was combined by Cerebrus, is EDI rebelling against Humans?
As EDI is made with the Luna VI and reapertech, is EDI rebelling against Synthetics?

As can be noted, the entire premise of who you're considering is the creator determines whether the statement of "created will always rebel against the creator" has any value at all.

[ArchDuck]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Of course not.

So, which do you think was more likely? The Quarians used weapons which can't difference between moral standing and age with high collateral damage against other Quarians for so long that they managed to wipe out billions whilst leaving the people they are waging war against unharmed, or the Geth used said weapons on the Quarians?

As to the weapons...

ArchDuck wrote...

We use weapons that do not distinguish between one group and another. Nor one age or another. Not even one species or another. And in the mass effect universe it is shown the same way.

Does a bullet only harm people over the age of consent? Does a rail gun round only hurt creatures of the appropriate age and species? How about cluster bombs? Radiation? Tanks? C4? Shrapnel? Mines? Toxic gases?
The list goes one but I think the absurdity has been pointed out.

As to how said weapons of mass destruction are used: I think it is much more likely that the Anti-geth Quarians did the most harm to themselves, the pro-geth quarians and the planet as a whole.
If I have to chose between highly emotional individuals and their reactions against highly rational or low emotional individuals and their reactions in a contest of who will do the crazy thing first... well Anti-geth Quarians win the crazy race.

Modifié par ArchDuck, 31 mai 2012 - 06:32 .

[M0keys]

might as well wipe out the galaxy then because you just judged a race of beings that acts fundamentally like all the rest.

[Clayless]

ArchDuck wrote...

As to how said weapons of mass destruction are used: I think it is much more likely that the Anti-geth Quarians did the most harm to themselves, the pro-geth quarians and the planet as a whole.
If I have to chose between highly emotional individuals and their reactions against highly rational or low emotional individuals and their reactions in a contest of who will do the crazy thing first... well Anti-geth Quarians win the crazy race.

So you think the Quarians did more harm to their own people than they did to the Geth and failed to mention this for the entire series, despite the fact it'd be incredibly important as it made them lose their entire home planet and caused billions of deaths, including an incredibly large amount of infants, because some of them didn't want to kill the Geth? You don't think it was the race was unwilling to compromise 300 years later but will still comit genocide if the Quarians don't comrpomise, and who attacked every organic on sight for 300 years, and did nothing to help/warn the galaxy that 5% of them joined the side of galactic machine gods that were about to wipe out galactic civilisation, and who (when put at a disadvantage) decided to willingly join said genocidal machines and become tools rather than running (like the Quarians did when they were at a disadvantage)?

[AngryFrozenWater]

mauro2222 wrote...

I like how you ignore why the Luna AI rebelled, or why the Geth attaked in the first place.

The "rogue VI" gained consciousness while under attack, which no doubt was confusing. Again, it defended itself. The geth never attacked, the geth were defending themselves during the Morning War. The geth you have seen that attacked organics in-game (as opposed to those in the Morning War) were heretics. They were not heretics by choice. They were infected by something similar to the Pentium FDIV bug, which caused a change in their logic and thus their behavior was altered. The geth that fought during the Rannoch missions were again defending themselves.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 31 mai 2012 - 07:11 .

[ArchDuck]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

As to how said weapons of mass destruction are used: I think it is much more likely that the Anti-geth Quarians did the most harm to themselves, the pro-geth quarians and the planet as a whole.
If I have to chose between highly emotional individuals and their reactions against highly rational or low emotional individuals and their reactions in a contest of who will do the crazy thing first... well Anti-geth Quarians win the crazy race.

So you think the Quarians did more harm to their own people than they did to the Geth and failed to mention this for the entire series, despite the fact it'd be incredibly important as it made them lose their entire home planet and caused billions of deaths, including an incredibly large amount of infants, because some of them didn't want to kill the Geth? You don't think it was the race was unwilling to compromise 300 years later but will still comit genocide if the Quarians don't comrpomise, and who attacked every organic on sight for 300 years, and did nothing to help/warn the galaxy that 5% of them joined the side of galactic machine gods that were about to wipe out galactic civilisation, and who (when put at a disadvantage) decided to willingly join said genocidal machines and become tools rather than running (like the Quarians did when they were at a disadvantage)?

Yes.
They have conveniently forgotten lots of very important things. As is the normal tendency for highly emotional gut reaction people. I mean they forgot that they started the war by attacking the Geth, forgot that their side killed the Quarians who tried to protect the Geth and even forgot that there were Quarians siding with the Geth so why wouldn't they alter history further to make their cause seem more just?

Also I never said they didn't do lots of harm to the geth. I am sure they did. I am sure they won many of the battles but they also unltimately lost the war.

Of course I think it was the Quarians... oh you meant the geth. Sorry, from your description, I intially thought you were talking about the group of people that refused to recognize that the other as anything but something to exterminate and  refused to consider peaceful solutions even when the opposing side wanted to make a peace treaty. So you can see how I thought you were talking about the Quarians and not the Geth there.

And you also admit only a very small minority of Geth wished any harm upon the galaxy as a whole.

Modifié par ArchDuck, 31 mai 2012 - 07:21 .

[Cypher_CS]

Computron2000 wrote...

No, "equal probability of peace and total extermination" is wrong. As i already mentioned, as time approaches infinity, all events that can happen, will happen. This means both peace and extermination will occur. Both are inevitable.

Fine, semantics.
The problem is, while the former can happen several times, with intermitent wars between them, the latter only needs once to occur.

fr33stylez wrote...

Why do you assume the Catalyst has any evidence backing its assertion?

I did no such thing.

fr33stylez wrote... 

The Catalyst only says "The created will always rebel against its creators" - you don't even know what this means, because the narrative never bothers with any exposition. The Catalyst doesn't say "I've seen this occur in every cycle except yours" or anything or that sort; your argument is based on an assumption.

I have basic listening comprehension, thank you very much.

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Too bad you can't prove a conclusion using infinite time, and you certainly can't use it as the sole thing to validate a claim.

Have I ever claimed the want to validate that claim?
No. I have not.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 
It still needs proof. Without proof, and the insistence of infinity as the only thing to support the premise, the entire argument is irrelevant.

The serpent might not be wrong, it could be correct, but without proof it's dilemma simply does not matter. 

I disagree.
It's still prudentially viable. And I've already explained that concept.

The dilemma here is mostly prudential.
That said, and knowing how AI works, personally, there is basis for that logic - through cold hard calculations.

THAT said, I never argued this was not done poorly in the game.
It was done woefully abruptly.

Computron2000 wrote...


This begs the question of who created EDI. Also at what level of categorization are we doing?

....

As can be noted, the entire premise of who you're considering is the creator determines whether the statement of "created will always rebel against the creator" has any value at all.

Again taking this statement so literally?

Why are you being so literal?
Could it not just mean something more abstract? As Creators being Organics in General and Created being Synthetics in General?
Or, hell, even other Synthetics can be creators of more advanced Synthetics.

_______________________________________

Again, some of you here are trying so hard to disprove singular statements that you are missing the whole, the bigger picture.

[CaptainZaysh]

ArchDuck wrote...

Neither. You see this event is called "civilian casualties" and "collateral damage".

Collateral damage?



You're ridiculous.

[ArchDuck]

CaptainZaysh wrote...
Collateral damage?



You're ridiculous.

Mind elaborating? At the moment what you have posted doesn't make much sense.

Modifié par ArchDuck, 31 mai 2012 - 07:32 .

[Clayless]

ArchDuck wrote...


Yes.
They have conveniently forgotten lots of very important things. As is the normal tendency for highly emotional gut reaction people. I mean they forgot that they started the war by attacking the Geth, forgot that their side killed the Quarians who tried to protect the Geth and even forgot that there were Quarians siding with the Geth so why wouldn't they alter history further to make their cause seem more just?

Also I never said they didn't do lots of harm to the geth. I am sure they did. I am sure they won many of the battles but they also unltimately lost the war.

Of course I think it was the Quarians... oh you meant the geth. Sorry, from your description, I intially thought you were talking about the group of people that refused to recognize that the other as anything but something to exterminate and  refused to consider peaceful solutions even when the opposing side wanted to make a peace treaty. So you can see how I thought you were talking about the Quarians and not the Geth there.

And you also admit only a very small minority of Geth wished any harm upon the galaxy as a whole.

Yes is all you really needed to say, though I wouldn't say a small minority of Geth wished harm upon the Reapers seeing as though all of them bar Legion(?) willingly joined genocidal machines.

I on the other hand don't think it was the Quarians that caused more damage and (lots of stuff that we never see or hear) covered this up, I think that given evidence we have it was the Geth.

[Taboo]

Live for today, shoot the pipe. The Geth are already dead in my playthrough. Live with the possible consequences.

We have a ten thousand grace period.

Moral Universalism > Moral Relativism

Sue me.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 31 mai 2012 - 07:42 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Cypher_CS wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Too bad you can't prove a conclusion using infinite time, and you certainly can't use it as the sole thing to validate a claim.

Have I ever claimed the want to validate that claim?
No. I have not.

No, but you seem to be arguing that the idea of infinte time alone proves something as viable. 

Which is false. It's akin, or maybe even the same, as trying to prove the premise, with the premise. 

The Night Mammoth wrote... 
It still needs proof. Without proof, and the insistence of infinity as the only thing to support the premise, the entire argument is irrelevant.

The serpent might not be wrong, it could be correct, but without proof it's dilemma simply does not matter. 

I disagree.
It's still prudentially viable. And I've already explained that concept.

With proof, yes. 

The dilemma here is mostly prudential.
That said, and knowing how AI works, personally, there is basis for that logic - through cold hard calculations.

Some awfully long calculations to provide a basis for something that is nothing more than a theory as a result. 

THAT said, I never argued this was not done poorly in the game.
It was done woefully abruptly.

No arguments there. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 31 mai 2012 - 07:49 .

[JShepppp]

 Not directly related to the OP, but from reading the comments here, I just wanted to say that if taken blatantly at face value (no technological singularity, just "created will always rebel against the creators"), then the Geth/Quarian conflict DOES prove it, and so, to a smaller extent, does EDI. 

For example (overly summarizing here):

Quarians: Geth, deactivate yourselves or stand still while we do it for you.

Geth: No.

Rebellion. Kind of screwed up, but it is rebellion.

The Illusive Man: EDI, allow us to track the Normandy that we built and/or control it from a distance, spy on it, etc.

EDI: No.

Again, rebellion. I forgot the exact phrasing, but TIM's base mission at the end of ME3 (Priority: Cerberus) has some audio recordings that talk about this. To the Catalyst, it does not matter what the morally right decision was - synthetics have rebelled.

Now, this has nothing to say about perpetual rebellion, perpetual peace, or perpetual war, none of which the Catalyst is talking about. As Cypher_CS has said, the Catalyst's logic does not deal with perpetualities but just one eventuality. 

Putting the singularity back into the picture, it just takes one occurrence for it to be game over. War and peace by themselves are not a problem so long as organics can win. After the singularity, they can't. Then nobody can stop the synthetics no matter what they want to do, whether it's force everyone to eat broccoli forever or wipe out all organic life in the galaxy. If organics can somehow unconventionally overcome the synthetics (a Crucible-like method) then that's because the synthetics haven't reached the singularity yet. As a concept and idea the singularity is somewhat flawed for that reason. But the fear of what could happen is very real. 

On topic, rather than give a wall of text, the sad truth of the matter is that synthetics as presented in ME are vastly superior to organics in terms of survival simply because the galaxy/space is harsh and they have little to no needs compared to organics. Combine this with superior technology and an ability to self-evolve and we cannot know what they are capable of but can only know it's beyond us. 

The Reapers built the relays and spread them throughout the galaxy. The current cycle has only explored about 1% of the relay network and 1% of the galaxy. If the Reapers, pre-singularity (no self-evolution) entities, can do that, then surely post-singularity synthetics can do more. They won't become Gods, but we know that it can be possible to spread out across the entire galaxy within the fiction of ME simply because the mass relays are spread that way. Synthetics would have faster FTL drives (more advanced-singularity) and would have no need for food and therefore could just hop around the galaxy faster than organics. 

We're talking about something that can not only self-replicate at will (rather than subject to biological processes) but that can also self-evolve. The latter is a bit of a difficult concept. It's like to thinking as exponents are to multiplication. Self-evolution is what really gives rise to the singularity and the rate of their technological progress will only increase. 

These numbers are difficult for us to comprehend, but for something that can become so vast, it may be more manageable. 

There is a short story somewhere about a king who thanks a mathematician for his work and asks if there's anything he'd like in return (I THINK this happened somewhere in India but I'm not sure). The mathematician gets out a chessboard and says he'd like the king to place one grain of rice on the first square, two on the second, four on the third, eight on the fourth, sixteen on the fifth, etc., doubling the number of grains for each square, for the entire chessboard (64 squares). The king laughs and agrees, thinking the mathematician foolish. Obviously as we know from basic math, the king was the idiot (2^63 grains of rice on the last square as the 64th square was the original 1 grain of rice, not to mention the preceding squares). There was not enough rice in the government's possession to fulfill that  promise.

That is the singularity. That is the kind of evolutionary power, self-initiated, that organics cannot comprehend. Unfortunately, this means that such synthetics will be so vastly powerful that they'll be able to wipe out organics if they wish given enough time to evolve.

Edit: I realized the rice story was about replication. For self-evolution and advancement, it'd have to be something weird like each rice grain on the next square is heavier than each rice grain on the previous square, etc. Still an interesting story I'd like to point out though.

Modifié par JShepppp, 31 mai 2012 - 08:09 .

[llbountyhunter]

using the "synthetics will always rebel, so lets stop them indirectly" holds no logic.

children will always rebel against their parents in some form. are the parents at risk? no.
rebel=/=kill

the starbrat is making false connections.

the sun will rise EVERY morning (this true, check for yourself)....so we should harvest all turtles.

truth? yes.
logic? none.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 31 mai 2012 - 08:45 .

[Dusen]

mauro2222 wrote...

I like how you ignore why the Luna AI rebelled, or why the Geth attaked in the first place.

I'm not completely sure about this, but I thought the Luna AI only acted in self defense when her creators tried to shut her down after it gained conciousness.

I am positive about this part though, the Geth did not attack in the first place. The Quarians, after discovering that the Geth had gained sentience, immediately started exterminating them, forcing the Geth to fight for survival. This act of self-defence also adds into why no one had ever seen Geth outside their system until Sovereign decided to mess with them.

No matter how you look at, as far as the Mass Effect series goes, the synthetics have always either been acting out of self defence against aggressor organics or been under the influence of a Reaper.

EDIT: I guess you could call this rebellion if you use a VERY broad definition that encompasses self-defence and self-preservation.

Modifié par Dusen, 31 mai 2012 - 10:26 .

[JShepppp]

Dusen wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

I like how you ignore why the Luna AI rebelled, or why the Geth attaked in the first place.

I'm not completely sure about this, but I thought the Luna AI only acted in self defense when her creators tried to shut her down after it gained conciousness.

I am positive about this part though, the Geth did not attack in the first place. The Quarians, after discovering that the Geth had gained sentience, immediately started exterminating them, forcing the Geth to fight for survival. This act of self-defence also adds into why no one had ever seen Geth outside their system until Sovereign decided to mess with them.

No matter how you look at, as far as the Mass Effect series goes, the synthetics have always either been acting out of self defence against aggressor organics or been under the influence of a Reaper.

EDIT: I guess you could call this rebellion if you use a VERY broad definition that encompasses self-defence and self-preservation.

Building off of your edit:

QUARIANS: Geth, stand still as we deactivate you.

GETH: No.

Kind of messed up, but that is rebellion. Self-defense is irrelevant here as is who started it from the Catalyst's point of view.

[Beeno4Life]

Cypher_CS wrote...

lordofdogtown19 wrote...

He's also assuming synthetics would be hostile towards organics (proven wrong by Geth and EDI)

Also he assumes organics couldn't win a war against synthetics (proven wrong by the Protheans in the Metacon War)

Reding and Listening Comprehension are your friends. Try them out.

It assumes that AI will choose to destroy or eradicate organics. Not because they are hostile, but because of calculable considerations.
Further more, it is NOT proven wrong by Geth and EDI.
Not saying the original argument is True or False, but it deals with Invariability. And you can't disprove Invariability by a single occurance that just happened to you now.

It does not assume Organics couldn't win a war against just any synthetics - it assumes that at the apex of that post TS AI, organics will be no match for it. Which, according to all known TS theories (or most), is true.
Again, it's a philosophical debate, not an empirical one.

As for the OP.
Sorry, but those statistics, again, show nothing.
Hell, Douglas Adams showed that stitistically there's NO LIFE in the Galaxy, at all - thus any man you meet is a figment of a deranged imagination (which, I guess, DNA had plenty of).

At any rate, when we talk about post TS AI, there are several scenarios in which such an AI would be powered by the Galactic Engine itself - i.e. it will span the entire galaxy as a single entity. Making the Galaxy itself a sentient organism, more or less, on the Macro level.
So, eradicating Organics would be like your White Cells fighting a disease. Quite doable.

This is actually based on the assumption that the universe is infinite, which is pure conjecture.