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[Aurora313]

ReggarBlane wrote...

*zip*
Apparently, the little iPad app that they released a while back contains cut content and shows a scene where Shepard tells the squadmates to get themselves out if there was enough TMS, but that scene supposedly conflicted with Shepard getting up in a state of near-death and was cut, leaving more confusion.
*zip*

Ok, that I DO NOT BELIEVE. The Crew will follow Shepard into hell and back, even against his orders. They will. Not. ABANDON. Shepard again. They say it themselves at one point or another.

Modifié par Aurora313, 01 juin 2012 - 02:07 .

[Landon7001]

grey_wind wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

KingWrex wrote...

Well those two are fan favorites, I know for a fact Garrus was always meant to be on the squad, but I remember reading somewhere Tali wasn't supposed to be. Not sure if that was speculation though. Ultimately they still could of set up situation where characters that didn't play a big role in the story (Grunt, Samara, Zaeed, Jacob, Kasumi, Jack) could have been optional squadmates. For example swap out Vega for Grunt or Tali for Jack; with the other two becoming war assets or something.

How about swap Garrus for Grunt? Just because some character's popular doesn't mean he should take piority all the freaking time. Garrus already had tons of content in previous 2 games. Why pick him again when Miranda/Grunt could take that place and have more time shine?

Welcome to BioWare logic. The fanbases for Tali and Garrus far exceed that of other popular characters, so they're the only ones BioWare made sure to include.

yes this seems to be true AND IT MAKES ME SOOO MAD!   garrus and tali are both DEAD in my career!

[Simocrates]

TheDonk95 wrote...

Well yeah dude she basically can't die...
Why do you want her dead? What did she do to you?

She raped my mind.

[kumquats]

Quething wrote...

It's not ME1 anymore, though. We don't actually need a biotic and a tech and a soldier. (Not that you did even in ME1, you just needed decryption and engineering, but even that restriction is gone in 2, and any combat differences were removed in 3). There's no real difference whatsoever between biotics, tech and combat skills anymore. Each one has a shield power, each one has direct damage powers vs each defense type, each one has crowd control vs both enemy types. Every single biotic Shep can make her own bluesplosions, and every single tech plus soldier Shep can make his own techsplosions, so you don't even need a full suite of squadmates for *that* like you did in 2. And the game's not designed in a way that actually calls for a "tank" or "crowd control" role to be filled by a specific character.

It's designed that you can make Biotic combos with Liara. Tech bursts with EDI and have a Tank like Vega. Yes I said TANK.
I'm glad that some of you don't design games. No I don't have a problem soloing Mass Effect, but I know, because I play with a lot of people. That there are people who aren't that good with Mass Effect combat system.
Not even people on the MP know about Tech Bursts, when I'm running around with my Engineer. You expect every single player to be a master of that combat system, but there not. Some people on the MP, have two heavy weapons with their Adept!
They aren't as amazing as you are. Should BW troll them by making it harder for them?

ME3 is for casuals. You have an easy time beating the game, GOOD FOR YOU. But don't expect that niveau of gameplay from everybody else. That's the big mistake you make.

[jahaa]

Ah look, another thread to hate Liara.

Zanza86 wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

Well yeah dude she basically can't die...
Why do you want her dead? What did she do to you?

She raped my mind.

You mean the gift scene? If you didn't notice, you can choose to say 'no'. Maybe you didn't have that dialogue available. If that's the case, go to options in your menu and change "story mode" for "RPG".

No need to say thank you, i like to help.

[Quething]

Man, this is the weirdest conversation.

Me: Shepard doesn't even need Liara for biotic explosions like she needed squadmates in 2, because in 3 Shepard can do biotic explosions by herself.
kumquats: Shepard needs Liara for biotic explosions!

Me: This game is designed in a way that the tank role is basically obsolete; you don't need one and can't even really efficiently use one.
kumquats: Shepard needs Vega so he can tank!

Also, if the average player doesn't understand tech and biotic explosions (true), how exactly does it benefit them to have EDI and Liara around to "make" those explosions, even if they were necessary for it, which they're not, because Shepard can do every type of explosion without any help at all? If players don't understand how biotic explosions work, giving them Liara is pointless and useless and doesn't help them at all, because they won't be using her that way anyway.

Also, have you tried playing the easiest difficulty level? You pretty much can't die unless you walk into a banshee. You could forget to allocate any ability points, walk around with a damn Locust, and still roflstomp the whole game. I am not real worried about people having a hard time with combat to the point of not completing the game because of not having access to a single particular character who isn't even close to the strongest party member anyway (EDI has cooldown issues, Vega is generally useless, and Liara, while crazy useful on Insanity, actually becomes less and less effective as you drop the game's difficulty). But even if I were, the player would still have the CHOICE not to kill off any squadmates, if they were worried about it, so I seriously fail to see how this is in any rational universe even remotely close to a problem.

Modifié par Quething, 01 juin 2012 - 07:08 .

[Simocrates]

jahaa wrote...

Ah look, another thread to hate Liara.

Zanza86 wrote...

TheDonk95 wrote...

Well yeah dude she basically can't die...
Why do you want her dead? What did she do to you?

She raped my mind.

You mean the gift scene? If you didn't notice, you can choose to say 'no'. Maybe you didn't have that dialogue available. If that's the case, go to options in your menu and change "story mode" for "RPG".

No need to say thank you, i like to help.

She said she was giving me a gift, but she raped me. I'll never trust the colour blue ever again.

[jahaa]

Zanza86 wrote...

She said she was giving me a gift, but she raped me. I'll never trust the colour blue ever again.

And the gift was a beautiful scene.

[shepskisaac]

My #1 problem with Liara: She let Kaidan suffer for 2 years.

[wright1978]

It bugs me that there's no equivalent of the ME2 suicide mission where the 3 plot armoured squaddies could bite the dust.

[Grand Champion]

Quething wrote...

You could forget to allocate any ability points, walk around with a damn Locust, and still roflstomp the whole game.

Made my day.  xD

[kumquats]

Quething wrote...
Also, if the average player doesn't understand tech and biotic explosions (true), how exactly does it benefit them to have EDI and Liara around to "make" those explosions, even if they were necessary for it, which they're not, because Shepard can do every type of explosion without any help at all?

How do you set of an explosion if Shepard has ALL the weapons equiped?
And please tell me you don't believe people do something like that.

wright1978 wrote...

It bugs me that there's no equivalent
of the ME2 suicide mission where the 3 plot armoured squaddies could
bite the dust.

This. We may have had a game with more Squad options.

Modifié par kumquats, 01 juin 2012 - 08:57 .

[ShallowlLife9871]

IsaacShep wrote...

My #1 problem with Liara: She let Kaidan suffer for 2 years.

THIS ^^^^^

it was pretty cruel of her NOT to tell Shepard's Firends. 

[Aurora313]

True, but if she had. Then Shepard's friends would turn on her and probably stage raid after raid to find his/her corpse and lay them to rest. Not to mention she'd be tried under Alliance law and subsequently imprisoned, perhaps even executed.

As much as I hate defending the blue b*tch, she refused to tell anyone for her own protection. Quite frankly, I wanted to put a round in her head after I heard that piece of lore ingame.

Modifié par Aurora313, 01 juin 2012 - 01:36 .

[Theodoro]

Aurora313 wrote...
As much as I hate defending the blue b*tch, she refused to tell anyone for her own protection. Quite frankly, I wanted to put a round in her head after I heard that piece of lore ingame.

Whoa, real class here - glad to know that there's an intelligent discussion going on in this thread.

[Barquiel]

Aurora313 wrote...

True, but if she had. Then Shepard's friends would turn on her and probably stage raid after raid to find his/her corpse and lay them to rest. Not to mention she'd be tried under Alliance law and subsequently imprisoned, perhaps even executed.

As much as I hate defending the blue b*tch, she refused to tell anyone for her own protection. Quite frankly, I wanted to put a round in her head after I heard that piece of lore ingame.

This has to be one of the dumbest things I've read in this thread so far.

[CrazyManimalR]

Everyone can theoretically die:

e.g.
Ash- Shot in ME3
Kaidan- Virmired
Garrus- Suicide Mission
Tali- Suicide Mission
Wrex- Shot on Virmire
Liara- Harbinger beam
Miranda- Suicide mission
Jacob- Suicide Mission
Mordin- Suicide mission
Grunt- Suicide mission
Jack- Suicide mission
Samara- Suicide mission
Morinth- Killed by Samara
Thane- Kepral's syndrome
Legion- "personality dissemination"
Kasumi- Suicide mission
Zaeed- Suicide mission
James- Harbinger beam
EDI- Destroy ending
Javik- dont do DLC (presumed killed by cerberus)

[Demonique]

KingWrex wrote...

She was supposed to. It was cut from the game. Check out the leaked script you has choose between her and VS.

What was the context of choosing between her and the VS? Did BW say why they cut it? (I bet Mac suddenly realised that yes there are people who would choose to save the VS over Liara, so that storyline got dropped)

[Yeardley]

She's too awesome to die.

[Demonique]

Karrie788 wrote...

All right, calm down, no need to fight over our opinions. Didn't mean to offend.

You have a point about EDI and Vega, I guess people don't mind it as much since they only appear in ME3, you don't have to stick around them as much as Liara, Garrus, Tali or the VS.
 
That being said, I don't see why it's a problem to be able to get rid of squadmates. For people starting with ME3, I don't know if Garrus and Tali are dead in the default scenario, are they?

Tali's alive in the default ME3 because I remember reading the default for her is that she was exiled from the Migrant Fleet.
Garrus is alive
Grunt - never release from tank
Legion - never recruited, I think he was given to Cerberus
Samara wasn't recruited and was killed by Morinth trying to flee Illium
Jack and Thane were killed during the approach to the Collector's base
All the crew apart from Chakwas died on the Collector's Base
No loyalty missions so there was no choice to make about Maelon's data. Data not on hand means that Eve will die curing the genophage (unless she stole the data from Maelon before she escaped with her sisters but it doesn't sound like something BW would write)

[MrStoob]

IsaacShep wrote...

My #1 problem with Liara: She let Kaidan suffer for 2 years.

Who?  Oh, the boring guy who liked to eat large amounts of ordinance.

One pleasant conversation with him and he's all over you like a rash, including confronting you and Liara, making you choose him or her.  Sorry, mate, you were never even in the picture, I have no idea why you think you were other than BW forcing the issue.  Sound familiar?

[WhiteKnyght]

Here's the secret to killing everyone.

Go the destroy route with under 1700 EMS. The crucible will fry the entire galaxy along with the reapers. And you get a special extra scene of Earth being burned clean.

[Vhira]

Because Mass Effect 4, 600 years in the future.  Guess which Matriarch provides the link.

Modifié par Vhira, 20 juin 2012 - 06:04 .

[BadExamp1e]

IsaacShep wrote...

My #1 problem with Liara: She let Kaidan suffer for 2 years.

Don't be silly. That would require making Liara out to be the bad guy and putting her in a negative spotlight for once.

Can't have that can we?

[WhiteKnyght]

Aurora313 wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

*zip*
Apparently, the little iPad app that they released a while back contains cut content and shows a scene where Shepard tells the squadmates to get themselves out if there was enough TMS, but that scene supposedly conflicted with Shepard getting up in a state of near-death and was cut, leaving more confusion.
*zip*

Ok, that I DO NOT BELIEVE. The Crew will follow Shepard into hell and back, even against his orders. They will. Not. ABANDON. Shepard again. They say it themselves at one point or another.

They didn't abandon Shepard the first time. Nobody expected him to get spaced, but he chose to save Joker's life at the cost of his own. HE CHOSE!

Shepard is their commander. They're obligated to follow his orders. To not do as he says would be disloyal and disrespectful.