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[gisle]

She didn't have a situation where being forced to take her life was a possibility in ME1, she weren't in the suicide squad in ME2. That's the long and short.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 23 juin 2012 - 07:50 .

[Ageless Face]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

All characters are equal, but some are more equal than others.

This sentence makes...No sense.

And the treatment each of the characters get is no where near equal.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 23 juin 2012 - 07:52 .

[Barquiel]

HagarIshay wrote...

I don't hate Liara at all, but it's annoy the hell out of me that she can never die. I won't ever actually kill her, but I just want to have the OPTION DAMMIT! What? Is Equal treatment a bad idea all of a sudden?

Squadmates/Companions were never treated equally in Bioware games (or most other RPGs I've played).

The Baldur's Gate series,  KotoR, Jade Empire, Dragon Age, Mass Effect...some characters have more content than others, some characters are plot relevant and can never die...and some characters are optional/can die.

Modifié par Barquiel, 23 juin 2012 - 07:53 .

[Beep Il]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

She didn't have a situation where being forced to take her life was a possibility in ME1, she weren't in the suicide squad in ME2. That's the long and short.

Her writers wanted her to dodge the bullet every time.  She got her own DLC; where was the option to side with the Shadow Broker (silly idea, I know) and kill Liara in the process? If the writer(s) wanted there to be a possible way to kill her somewhere, there would have been a way to do that. Obviously, this is not the case.

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Barquiel wrote...

Squadmates/Companions were never treated equally in Bioware games (or most other RPG I've played).

Baldur's Gate series,  KotoR, Jade Empire, Dragon Age, Mass Effect...some characters have more content than others, some characters are plot relevant and can never die...and some characters are optional/can die.

In Mass Effect 1 and 2, characters pretty much got the same treatment to each other ( ME2 characters got less contact than ME1 characters, but that's probably because they were so many squadmates. If you actually count it, I think all there are more cutscenes in ME2 with the squadmates than in ME1). Only in ME3 the favorism is obvious. 

I'll agree that in other games of BioWare it's more or less like that, but it should not effect other games that were fine in that aspect, should it?

And aside of DA2 with Anders, I never truly felt forced into the romances (and I say that as someone who loves Anders). Though that's it could be just me. 

Modifié par HagarIshay, 23 juin 2012 - 08:04 .

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

I take it you've never read Animal Farm?

Nope, never. Should I?

[naddaya]

HagarIshay wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I take it you've never read Animal Farm?

Nope, never. Should I?

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

It's interesting.

Modifié par m_k, 23 juin 2012 - 08:13 .

[Seboist]

Liara's a blight on the series.

[gisle]

Beep Il wrote...

Gisle-Aune wrote...

She didn't have a situation where being forced to take her life was a possibility in ME1, she weren't in the suicide squad in ME2. That's the long and short.

Her writers wanted her to dodge the bullet every time.  She got her own DLC; where was the option to side with the Shadow Broker (silly idea, I know) and kill Liara in the process? If the writer(s) wanted there to be a possible way to kill her somewhere, there would have been a way to do that. Obviously, this is not the case.

Or be able to spare Tela Vasir, as she's nothing more than ME2 Shepard in blue, Shepard should have had options to show understanding, not only hate or hate with a more angry tone. And then have Tela, not Liara become the SB and have Liara on the squad so she can die in the SM. Would satisfy the ones who wanted her a squaddie in ME2 and those who want her dead and gone. ME3 didn't use her SB role in the main plot anyway.

Making suggestions for ME2 at this point is just in vain though. She can't die, writers decision, nothing can be done about it.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 23 juin 2012 - 08:27 .

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

To understand my post, yes. In the book, the pigs establish dominance over the other animals, and justify it by claiming they are "more equal" than the others. I was drawing a comparison between that and how Bioware gives Liara special treatment.

A pig. That establish dominace over other animals.                          


Anyway, you want to say that Liara is getting all the power in the game, but still she is claimed to be like everyone else, like not being canon, or being just one of the other squadmates? 

Modifié par HagarIshay, 23 juin 2012 - 08:32 .

[Seboist]

Tela Vesir was a vastly superior character than any of Liara's personas. I wish she was the Asari squadmate in ME3.

[Barquiel]

HagarIshay wrote...

In Mass Effect 1 and 2, characters pretty much got the same treatment to each other ( ME2 characters got less contact than ME1 characters, but that's probably because they were so many squadmates. If you actually count it, I think all there are more cutscenes in ME2 with the squadmates than in ME1). Only in ME3 the favorism is obvious. 

I'll agree that in other games of BioWare it's more or less like that, but it should not effect other games that were fine in that aspect, should it?

And aside of DA2 with Anders, I never truly felt forced into the romances (and I say that as someone who loves Anders). Though that's it could be just me. 

I meant the series as a whole.

But take, for example, Mass Effect 2: Garrus and Tali were full fledged squadmates. Liara had a 1-2h DLC, Wrex had a good cameo, the VS had a bad cameo.
The ME2 squaddies...some characters were mandatory (Jacob, Garrus, Miranda, Jack, Mordin), the rest was optional. Yes, every squadmate can die, but only at the end of the game (it's the same in ME3). You can recruit Liara last in ME1 (barely any dialogue) and visiting Liara is completely optional in ME2.

Modifié par Barquiel, 23 juin 2012 - 08:33 .

[Beep Il]

Gisle-Aune wrote...


Or be able to spare Tela Vasir, as she's nothing more than ME2 Shepard in blue, Shepard should have had options to show understanding, not only hate or hate with a more angry tone. And then have Tela, not Liara become the SB and have Liara on the squad so she can die in the SM. Would satisfy the ones who wanted her a squaddie in ME2 and those who want her dead and gone. ME3 didn't use her SB role in the main plot anyway.

Yeah, but I was just throwing a random idea. Your idea, though, is a lot better than mine.

Gisle-Aune wrote...
Making suggestions for ME2 at this point is just in vain though. She can't die, writers decision, nothing can be done about it.

I know right. But, I wasn't trying to alter anything which has happened in another game. I just wanted to have options, but we all know, we don't have those.