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[bboynexus]

Thane's disease is precisely what made him so compelling.

[FlamingBoy]

they should have done alot of things with me3, unfortunately the ec won't fix most of them

[Lawrence0294]

Something i think bioware didn't realize is how attached people got to the characters. To a lot of people, characters are more important than the story. Look at ME2, the story, on its own, isn't a masterpiece. But it's the characters you get to interact with, their stories, you really start to care about what happens to them. The suicide mission would've been much less epic if it'd been with people we didn't know or connect with. They kinda dropped that in ME3 sadly.

[Julian Varanel]

Since Shepard's association with Cerberus really began with Miranda and Jacob, it seemed to me very fitting that it should end with them as well. Not a chance in hell to get that, though.

[bboynexus]

Miranda's exclusion, however, doesn't make a lot of sense to me (aside from an almost complete lack of resources towards the end of development). She was one of ME2's 'poster' characters and, outside the hardcore fanbase, she was probably the most romanced character in ME2. She also survived over 90 percent of the time in the Suicide Mission according to BioWare's statistics.

If she survives on Horizon, she's literally the only ally we have who has ever been on Cronos Station.

I mean....just why?

Modifié par bboynexus, 31 mai 2012 - 11:00 .

[Ieldra]

bboynexus wrote...
Miranda's exclusion, however, doesn't make a lot of sense to me (aside from an almost complete lack of resources towards the end of development). She was one of ME2's 'poster' characters and, outside the hardcore fanbase, she was probably the most romanced character in ME2. She also survived over 90 percent of the time in the Suicide Mission according to BioWare's statistics.

If she survives on Horizon, she's literally the only ally we have who has ever been on Cronos Station.

I mean....just why?

Yeah. We've been asking ourselves that since the script was leaked in November. It's incomprehensible.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

I would love it so much if they added Miranda to the Cronos station scenario. I don't think it will ever happen however; a tweet a while back from Patrick Weekes indicated that any change to the main game like that would be difficult to accomplish since it apparently takes too much work (I think the person was asking about this exact situation), but that doesn't mean we won't see some form of additional ME2 squaddie content in future DLC hopefully.

There are a lot of things that could have been done differently in ME3, but the lack of Miranda and even Jacob in the the main plot is so jarring since they are so closely tied to Cerberus and TIM.

[Sulious Vandomar]

I agree. More Miranda for the EC. She's by far the most underrated character in the series in my opinion.

[DarkSeraphym]

o Ventus wrote...

Please. He hasn't gotten into a Miranda related argument with me yet. 

Can you top jtav's love for Miranda?

[Taboo]

o Ventus wrote...

They've said things along the line of "no new gameplay" in regards to the EC. This coming from arguably the biggest Miranda fanboy on this site. Like grey_wind said, her name isn't Garrus, Tali, or Liara.

You? Bahahahaha.

I just want to see her in the Extended Cut, with Shepard. That's all I care about.

WHERE IS MISS STRAHOVSKIE BIOWARE?

[DamonD7]

bboynexus wrote...

Miranda's exclusion, however, doesn't make a lot of sense to me (aside from an almost complete lack of resources towards the end of development). She was one of ME2's 'poster' characters and, outside the hardcore fanbase, she was probably the most romanced character in ME2. She also survived over 90 percent of the time in the Suicide Mission according to BioWare's statistics.

If she survives on Horizon, she's literally the only ally we have who has ever been on Cronos Station.

I mean....just why?

Fair enough. It does seem a bit puzzling that such a front-row character in ME2 as she was ended up in a minor role in ME3.

You can only cram in so much, both in terms of development and disc space. But given her spotlight in ME2, it does seem a bit surprising.

[CuseGirl]

Julian Varanel wrote...
Since Shepard's association with Cerberus really began with Miranda and Jacob, it seemed to me very fitting that it should end with them as well. Not a chance in hell to get that, though.

It's a GLARING omission in the story that neither Miranda or Jacob are actually involved with taking down Cerberus. In particular Miranda, for her not to even really talk about Cerberus? And they went so far to have her say "I have no idea what TiM is doing". So this was intended, to keep her away from the Cerberus story. Unforgivable.....

"Lack of resources" is really "We diverted all our resources to MP, rendering Chobot's face, recording Kai Leng's dialogue, recording 14 lines from a random Salarian and satisfying Liara, Garrus and Tali fans because there's more fanfics and DeviantArt of them than Miranda, even though we designed the suicide mission in ME-2 to keep her alive"

Modifié par CuseGirl, 31 mai 2012 - 02:39 .

[ed87]

Oh how i miss Miranda. She was so epic in ME2 that i had to romance her in all my playthroughs

[bboynexus]

There was pandering involved, yes, but that's a gross exaggeration, CuseGirl.

[CuseGirl]

bboynexus wrote...

There was pandering involved, yes, but that's a gross exaggeration, CuseGirl.

Sorry...I just find it odd that the excuse for why Miranda isn't as involved in the game is because "she could have died in ME-2 like all the other ME-2 squaddies", even though it's much easier to kill Garrus and Tali than it is to kill Miranda (even when she's not loyal). Also, it seems as if I'm the only PS3 user in the history of Mass Effect to come on this website, so everything that happened in ME-2 means so much more to me than for other fans. So forgive me if I blame some of the pandering for Miranda's sidelining.

Storywise, with the over powered natured of Cerberus (regardless of your Collector Base choice), Miranda should have been at Cronos Station and should have had an opinion on what TiM was doing.

[bboynexus]

I don't disagree fundamenetally - in fact, Tali survives the Suicide Mission only 75 percent of time and is the fourth most frequent casualty. 

Modifié par bboynexus, 31 mai 2012 - 02:50 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

bboynexus wrote...

I don't disagree fundamenetally - in fact, Tali survives the Suicide Mission only 75 percent of time and is the fourth most frequent casualty. 

Jacob survives the Suicide Mission more than any other squadmate. Does that mean that he deserves to have a bigger role than everyone else?

[CuseGirl]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

bboynexus wrote...
I don't disagree fundamenetally - in fact, Tali survives the Suicide Mission only 75 percent of time and is the fourth most frequent casualty. 

Jacob survives the Suicide Mission more than any other squadmate. Does that mean that he deserves to have a bigger role than everyone else?

No, but he also wasn't on the cover of Mass Effect 2, wasn't in the opening scene of ME-2 at Cronos Station, and wasn't the first face Shepard saw when he/she woke up.

I fully expected the opportunity to take an ME-2 squadmate on the Normandy but I guess I should have known something was up when they announced so early who the permanent squad was. It was nothign for them to make specific characters who can die permanent squadmates AND dedicate major mission sections to them. But after you pump steroids into a secondary villain group, you don't properly use the squadmates most connected to that group? It makes no sense.

[bboynexus]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

bboynexus wrote...

I don't disagree fundamenetally - in fact, Tali survives the Suicide Mission only 75 percent of time and is the fourth most frequent casualty. 

Jacob survives the Suicide Mission more than any other squadmate. Does that mean that he deserves to have a bigger role than everyone else?

Not necessarily. The answer to that question is far more complex. I believe characters should be given a role befitting who and what they are in the narrative at large. Despite his survival rate, Jacob was never popular and I don't think he was intertwined with the highest levels of Cerberus to warrant much more than what was done with him on Gellix.

Miranda did, and her absence is disappointing. The option to bring her along with you as a temeporary sqaud-mate should have been available (which would have allowed a more fulfilling culmination to her romance arc aboard the Normandy as well) because it makes no sense not to, regardless of whether you like her or not. As I said, she's actually been on Cronos Station before. She knows the Illusive Man as well as anyone who has ever met him since he took on the role as Cerberus' leader.

Modifié par bboynexus, 31 mai 2012 - 03:05 .

[Seifer006]

bboynexus wrote...

So most of the save games we have at this point probably have us standing in front of the Galaxy Map prior to the assault on Cronos Station - where the obvious message comes up talking about 'future DLC'.

It seems reasonable to assume that the Extended Cut will be adding a few things to this mission on top of Priority: Earth. The transition between the end of Priority: Cerberus Headquarters and Priority: Earth with regards to the Reaper's transporting the Citadel to Earth is a huge issue of contention within the fanbase. 

It's probably very remote, but I was considering the possibility that BioWare will open up Miranda Lawson as a potential temporary squad-mate to accompany us on Cronos Station if she survived the mission on Sanctuary (if she survived).

Thoughts?

Honestly man

I thought automatically Bioware would have then. If Miranda would have died you and EDI go together with whomever the squad mate you choose. And if she didn't die, then it's EDI and Miranda.

but since, that didn't happen......

it goes back to my speculation on why I think ME3 was rushed. I don't see how in 2 or 2 1/2 yrs you can conlude the ME trilogy. It 's too short of time. Things must rushed, since you're talking about the conclusion of the story based on the two pervious game. And the story is concluded in........merely 30hrs? 

think how much better the game would be if it had been given its "rightful" time in development. my $80 CE would then be worth it....

[bboynexus]

Absolutely agreed, Seifer. It becomes very obvious from the start of Priority: Horizon that the team were running out of time and resources.

It's a shame.

Modifié par bboynexus, 31 mai 2012 - 03:12 .

[WYLDMAXX]

I knew they were going to downplay Miranda's role in ME3 when Bioware released Ashley's new look.

Yes, I would like to see Miranda get a spot as a squadmate. She was my go to in ME2 and it doesn't fell right to complete the game without her by my Shepard's side kicking the Cerberus in the daddy bags.

[OdanUrr]

bboynexus wrote...

So most of the save games we have at this point probably have us standing in front of the Galaxy Map prior to the assault on Cronos Station - where the obvious message comes up talking about 'future DLC'.

It seems reasonable to assume that the Extended Cut will be adding a few things to this mission on top of Priority: Earth. The transition between the end of Priority: Cerberus Headquarters and Priority: Earth with regards to the Reaper's transporting the Citadel to Earth is a huge issue of contention within the fanbase. 

It's probably very remote, but I was considering the possibility that BioWare will open up Miranda Lawson as a potential temporary squad-mate to accompany us on Cronos Station if she survived the mission on Sanctuary (if she survived).

Thoughts?

Funny that you mention this, I was actually considering something similar. Basically, it's a mission that would take place just before the final battle on Earth. One of the ex-Cerberus agents you rescued during Jacob's mission turns out to be a mole working for TIM and plots to take over the Crucible facility with the help of a Cerberus strike team. Shepard would join Jacob and Miranda in retaking said facility. I created it more out of a desire to give Miranda a proper final romance scene with Shepard (holographic chat? really?). Come to think of it, it'd be pretty ironic considering the beginning of ME2.

http://social.biowar...cussion/20858/ 

[TheDrekey]

excelon wrote...

I'd really like to kill Kai Leng with Miranda if the EC does start that far back.

I don't think ti does. Unless Extended Cut means something diferente from what we're led to believe.

But if EC is really just a fix for the ending, then the "ending" starts after you say your last "last go" to anderson. That's the point of no return, and that's the only point from wich they'll work on a new "ending". IMO.


But I think Miranda becoming a squaddy its a obligatory DLC

[mupp3tz]

I'm curious as to whether or not they are even getting Yvonne to come in for EC VA work. I'm kind of crossing my fingers for a lot of ME2 squadmates, though bracing myself to get shafted in that regard. If anything, they'll probably just briefly show on a cut scene.