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[deadpixel92]

This gun is easy mode for skilled players.

[ryoldschool]

InfamousResult wrote...

I'm sorry if your argument is basically "but you can easily make this score with any other high-tier weapon / class". Because, as GodlessPaladin pointed out- over and over much earlier in the thread- only hours after this gun came out, people were posting up record-breaking speed runs using this gun. Mere hours. They ran through the game faster than any other build.

Beat those videos, then you can come back here and claim that there are more classes / guns better than this AoE ease-of-use Infil-candy rifle.

And before you start spouting "but it ruins the fun"- go have fun on a lower difficulty level, if Gold suddenly proves too hard for you because this gun isn't as easymode. That's what the difficulty levels are for; they aren't just so you can ask yourself "hmm, how much money do I want to make", they're there for varying levels of skilled players.

This thing is OP.

It should be Nerfed.

Yeah, dude, nerf the guns you don't have.  You got the valiant and bw.  I don't have the valiant so lets nerf that instead.

[GodlessPaladin]

ryoldschool wrote...

InfamousResult wrote...

I'm sorry if your argument is basically "but you can easily make this score with any other high-tier weapon / class". Because, as GodlessPaladin pointed out- over and over much earlier in the thread- only hours after this gun came out, people were posting up record-breaking speed runs using this gun. Mere hours. They ran through the game faster than any other build.

Beat those videos, then you can come back here and claim that there are more classes / guns better than this AoE ease-of-use Infil-candy rifle.

And before you start spouting "but it ruins the fun"- go have fun on a lower difficulty level, if Gold suddenly proves too hard for you because this gun isn't as easymode. That's what the difficulty levels are for; they aren't just so you can ask yourself "hmm, how much money do I want to make", they're there for varying levels of skilled players.

This thing is OP.

It should be Nerfed.

Yeah, dude, nerf the guns you don't have.  You got the valiant and bw.  I don't have the valiant so lets nerf that instead.

What is with people not responding to *any* of the points actually in a person's post and outright making up ridiculous conspiratorial motivations for them lately?  Civil discussion means actually reading what someone says, making an attempt to understand what they are saying, and then responding to the points they are making.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 mai 2012 - 11:20 .

[ryoldschool]

^ As I said on the post on page like 2, gather data from the whole community to see if it really is a game breaker. This dude did not even have the gun, yet calls for a nerf. I mean really at least the OP has used the gun.

[Grimy Bunyip]

ryoldschool wrote...

^ As I said on the post on page like
2, gather data from the whole community to see if it really is a game
breaker. This dude did not even have the gun, yet calls for a nerf. I
mean really at least the OP has used the gun.

while your statement is true, it doesn't seem to add anything to the discussion

it's not like the "dude" didn't have any evidence, he cited videos.
and it's fairly obvious based on the stats alone.
more damage than a black widow, AOE, still fast enough to squeeze 3 shots in a cloak window although very very barely.

[GodlessPaladin]

ryoldschool wrote...

^ As I said on the post on page like 2, gather data from the whole community to see if it really is a game breaker. This dude did not even have the gun, yet calls for a nerf. I mean really at least the OP has used the gun.

You claim that he should gather data from the whole community, but then critcize him for doing just that rather than just testing it himself. 

You don't actually need to use the gun to see its merits.  They're pretty blatantly obvious from evidence already presented and there is nothing wrong with a poster having the presence of mind to recognize the implications of the evidence presented.

Moreover, InfamousResult is absolutely right.  Difficulty levels exist to adjust difficulty not for you to decide how much money you feel like making, and the arguments to the contrary are simply mind-numbing to read and riddled with doublethink.

InfamousResult wrote... And before you start spouting "but it ruins the fun"- go have fun on a lower difficulty level, if Gold suddenly proves too hard for you because this gun isn't as easymode. That's what the difficulty levels are for; they aren't just so you can ask yourself "hmm, how much money do I want to make", they're there for varying levels of skilled players.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 mai 2012 - 11:37 .

[ThirdChild ZKI]

That Phantom phlattening, Hunter hurting, Pyro popping, Atlas asploding, Banshee busting weapon is simply DELICIOUS. . . It ain't broke, so don't fix it

[Tankcommander]

I used it once vs gold reapers and now I don't anymore. I murdered everything and I never bothered to aim. I prefer something that requires a bit of skill to use, like the Black Widow.

At least on the Reegar you have to be very close and exposed in order to vaporize crap, so it is decently balanced. Krysae, however, murders everywhere!

[ryoldschool]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

^ As I said on the post on page like 2, gather data from the whole community to see if it really is a game breaker. This dude did not even have the gun, yet calls for a nerf. I mean really at least the OP has used the gun.

You don't actually need to use the gun to see its merits.  They're pretty blatantly obvious from evidence already presented.

Moreover, InfamousResult is absolutely right.

InfamousResult wrote... And before you start spouting "but it ruins the fun"- go have fun on a lower difficulty level, if Gold suddenly proves too hard for you because this gun isn't as easymode. That's what the difficulty levels are for; they aren't just so you can ask yourself "hmm, how much money do I want to make", they're there for varying levels of skilled players.

I respect your opinion, as I assume you have used the gun since you have it at X, but in my experience so far I don't see it as game breaking - at least for me.  I am probably an average player, but I play a lot, and play silver all the time.  I have been successful with the GI with Claymore  on Gold, but I don't play much on gold.  My experience is that my GI with this new sniper rifle plays about the same as far as damage I can do.  Actually the Claymore can one-shot ravagers on Silver ( maybe gold ) but I could not three-shot them with the new sniper rilfe ( have both at X ).  I'm still testing it out for myself, but I'm not ready to call for a nerf.

[aaronisbla]

I LOVE this gun. That being said, its extreme easy mode and if it got balanced, not nerfed, i don't think id mind it one bit. Something like 1 shot per clip instead of 3. or if they take away the air burst proxy feature on the bullets. But with all of its features combined along with its damage, it absolutely wrecks house. Oh ur cursor wasn't actually on the enemy? no worries, its going to explode anyways when it gets near him.

Not sure id nerf the damage on this, as its supposed to be strong, but something's got to give.
Why do players keep saying 'bu,bu,but i can score just as much or higher with other sniper rifles' as if to say this gun is just fine? those require a bit of aiming. If you miss, you may regret it. Not for the krysae though

[Master Xanthan]

1337haxwtg wrote...

EDIT: Before you post some absurd reply, READ THE POST. At no point do I suggest changing a functional stat on this gun. I simply suggested a change that would get rid of overpowered synergy with a single class on a single skill evolution.

With an infiltrator, at least, the Krysae  is insane. Somebody said to make it an assault rifle in another thread, so it doesn't get the 1.4 from tactical cloak. This would be a good fix.

This was done on Goddess / Gold, with only the enemy being random. So if it was a random map, that makes it... a 215k ish run? The last place guy joined on wave 4-5 after some guy left and the team wasn't bad at all.

EDIT: Since there seems to be some confusion on this matter, I'm not saying "this is the highest score ever." I'm not saying "I did well, therefore nerf." I'm saying this score should not be so easily achieved. The Krysae is painfully easy to use, unlike other weapons infiltrators can achieve this score with.

 

While we are at it, the Reegar needs to not benefit from armor penetration mods. This would make it strip shields and suck against armor, as it should be.

Seeing as the Harrier is a good assault rifle, I smell incoming nerfs. Afterall, we couldn't have a GOOD assault rifle, could we? (Leave my Harrier alone!)

Leave it as is. Not everyone has had a chance to get the weapon past the first upgrade (me).

Modifié par Master Xanthan, 31 mai 2012 - 11:54 .

[GodlessPaladin]

deadpixel92 wrote...

This gun is easy mode for skilled players.

The gun is easy mode for everyone. I really don't think any honest poster can claim that the Krysae is a relatively difficult gun to use.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 mai 2012 - 11:51 .

[ryoldschool]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

^ As I said on the post on page like 2, gather data from the whole community to see if it really is a game breaker. This dude did not even have the gun, yet calls for a nerf. I mean really at least the OP has used the gun.

You claim that he should gather data from the whole community, but then critcize him for doing just that rather than just testing it himself. 

...

I'm not sure what you mean by that comment, perhaps you misunderstood.  I'm suggesting Bioware should gather data from the whole community to see if its a game breaker.  They must have some criteria for how they make their balance changes each week.  The guy I was critizing was the guy that does not have the gun.

[GodlessPaladin]

ryoldschool wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

^ As I said on the post on page like 2, gather data from the whole community to see if it really is a game breaker. This dude did not even have the gun, yet calls for a nerf. I mean really at least the OP has used the gun.

You claim that he should gather data from the whole community, but then critcize him for doing just that rather than just testing it himself. 

...

I'm not sure what you mean by that comment, perhaps you misunderstood.  I'm suggesting Bioware should gather data from the whole community to see if its a game breaker.  They must have some criteria for how they make their balance changes each week.  The guy I was critizing was the guy that does not have the gun.

Alright then, a miscommunication.  However, I don't think that sentiment actually adds anything to the conversation.  You're basically just trying to argue that balance is unknowable by lowly forumgoers who don't have access to datamining, and that simply isn't true. 

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 mai 2012 - 11:55 .

[mardron7]

If we were really fighting the Reapers I doubt anyone would be complaining about the Krysae. We'd all be trying to figure out how to make it more powerful. That... and how to carry more cobras.

[ThirdChild ZKI]

The weapon is far from game breaking.

It's an anti-materiel rifle, therefore it SHOULD hit hard. Explosive rounds being native to the weapon are great - essentially the same as using incendiary ammo, just without the actual item. Not to mention if you ARE using special ammo, you still get your effect. With a Quarian Engineer, I like being able to still get my tech bursts even when using it.

This is one of the first weapons I've seen that can consistenly stagger some of the harder enemies, and I see nothing wrong with that. Would you rather have a big gun that works/affects the enemy more like an smg? Or a hammer that does exactly what a hammer should do? It's not an "easy mode" weapon; sure you get splash damage, but it works even better if you do hit your target. IF you hit your target. It does have a slow trajectory. . .The low clip capacity and reload time seem to make perfect sense for what it is - an ANTI-MATERIEL RIFLE.

Wherein lies the complaint about a heavy weapon that deals heavy damage?

[GodlessPaladin]

mardron7 wrote...

If we were really fighting the Reapers I doubt anyone would be complaining about the Krysae. We'd all be trying to figure out how to make it more powerful. That... and how to carry more cobras.

But we're not really fighting the Reapers, we're playing a game and thereforre care about fun.

[ryoldschool]

@ gp No, I don't think they have some formula, but they must have a way to factor in that not everyone will be as skilled as the most skilled players.

[mardron7]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

mardron7 wrote...

If we were really fighting the Reapers I doubt anyone would be complaining about the Krysae. We'd all be trying to figure out how to make it more powerful. That... and how to carry more cobras.

But we're not really fighting the Reapers, we're playing a game and thereforre care about fun.

I'm having fun.    Of course I enjoy Saints Row style mayhem more than Call of Duty type games.   To each his or her own, I guess.

[Grimy Bunyip]

ryoldschool wrote...

@ gp No, I don't think they have some formula, but they must have a way to factor in that not everyone will be as skilled as the most skilled players.

I sure hope that's not the case, that's bad design.

[deadpixel92]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

deadpixel92 wrote...

This gun is easy mode for skilled players.

The gun is easy mode for everyone. I really don't think any honest poster can claim that the Krysae is a relatively difficult gun to use.

True, not difficult to use at all, but skilled players get the best out of it. Thats what i meant, i played 4 games today with randoms and everyone was using it but not that well, although there were some that killed everything in sight. I tested the gun and personally i dont like it, simply because is not my type of gun, but i understand how people can say is OP, at least in the hands of an infiltrator.

[Trippid]

1337haxwtg wrote...

 

Enhanced wrote...

Why do you want it to be nerfed?

 

If for no other reason than because I would like to see a variety of weapons and builds in MP. Having one insanely good weapon or class ruins the variety of the game and makes it wear out faster. No weapon should be clearly better than another by this large a margin.

Agree completely. I'm all for a fun explosive gun, but you don't even have to aim the Krysae.

I'm not whinning about someone being a better infiltrator than I am, I just find it disheartening having spent weeks trying to master my reflexes and aim with the Black Widow, just to have this gun come along and make it completely utterly obsolete. So long as you have a basic idea of how to point and shoot, you can preform miracles with the Krysae.
I don't mind people using it, I just hate the fact that it's pretty much going to be the weapon of choice for anyone who's not looking for a challenge. Makes it seem worthless to carry around my Black Widow for headshots when I could just auto-pilot through a match with the Krysae.

[Tankcommander]

ThirdChild ZKI wrote...

The weapon is far from game breaking.

It's an anti-materiel rifle, therefore it SHOULD hit hard. Explosive rounds being native to the weapon are great - essentially the same as using incendiary ammo, just without the actual item. Not to mention if you ARE using special ammo, you still get your effect. With a Quarian Engineer, I like being able to still get my tech bursts even when using it.

This is one of the first weapons I've seen that can consistenly stagger some of the harder enemies, and I see nothing wrong with that. Would you rather have a big gun that works/affects the enemy more like an smg? Or a hammer that does exactly what a hammer should do? It's not an "easy mode" weapon; sure you get splash damage, but it works even better if you do hit your target. IF you hit your target. It does have a slow trajectory. . .The low clip capacity and reload time seem to make perfect sense for what it is - an ANTI-MATERIEL RIFLE.

Wherein lies the complaint about a heavy weapon that deals heavy damage?

That it requires no skill to use. You have to be trying to miss with it, or have bad lag. It does more splash damage than most heavy weapons do direct. It has way too much ammo for what it is capable of, and too light.

EDIT: Exactly what Trippid posted above me. Why use my BW which requires skill when I can just shoot everywhere with the Krysae and do better?

Modifié par Tankcommander, 01 juin 2012 - 12:26 .

[Xerorei]

So essentially you guys cry nerf, have you not realized just "How" BioWare nerfs things?

TO THE GROUND, remember the falcon, how about the striker, oh right nobody used those until they got buffs from being nerfed to the ground.

Stop whining, no really, stop, you don't like it don't use it, zip your lips, break your fingers and let those who enjoy it play with it.

[Immortal Strife]

If the Valiant was switched with the Krysae, and everybody had a Valiant X, would you call for a nerf. Would you even know that the Krysae is broken; do you even know that the Valiant isn't broken. Maybe the Valiant should be nerfed along with the Krysae.

Many players feel the Valiant is better than the Black Widow because of the fast reload and quick fire, which allows three shots to be fired in cloak, clearly this gun is over powered.