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[GodlessPaladin]

Steelgrave wrote...

Why would you want a GOOD gun to be nerfed? Everybody is constantly complaining about all the bad guns. So you should be happy there are some good guns. They better not touch it! I love it the way it is.

The bad guns should be buffed.  The good guns should stay the same.  The ridiculous guns that make the good guns look bad should be nerfed.  Balance all the things. 

Really, I'm not sure why this idea seems foreign to BSN.  I've been around and this is the first gaming-related forum I've seen that had trouble with the idea of "balance is a good thing."  Forums for single player games got it.  So did forums for other co-op games.  So did forums for pen and paper games and miniatures games. 

The argument shouldn't be about whether balancing things is good or not, it should be about whether a given change would actually improve the balance of the game.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 mai 2012 - 01:19 .

[Ballsohard247]

It's not overpowered, you can dominate like that with the valiant, black widow or even the Indra if you have some skills. It's annoying that everyone is always asking to nerf weapons just because a select few can really rip gold with them. Just enjoy the dlc and stop calling for changes, it annoys everyone. Nice score but I've hit higher with my valiant on the new maps.

[ryoldschool]

Every time I see these requests to nerf this gun I say the same thing = for me it plays exactly the same as the claymore on my Geth Infiltrator on silver and gold. And if you want the best gun to be that new assault rifle - well then I guess you want all us regular players to wait forever to get it at a decent level.

[1337haxwtg]

NucularPikinic wrote...

 Did you use equipment?

Yes. It doesn't change much, though. It only really assists on big units (in this case, the Atlas) because smaller units are a 1 shot with or without the mods.

[Enhanced]

Chealec wrote...

The problem with the Krysae is that it's only godlike in the hands of the GI or SI which makes it a true "glass cannon" load out...

TC > proxy mine > krysae = lethal
(especially combined with hunter mode on the GI)

... otherwise it's just a really good heavy sniper rifle comparable to the BW or Valiant in effectiveness (though it performs a role more akin to the Falcon)... I'm not sure how to make it less OP in the hands of an SI or GI without breaking it completely though, it should probably be Ultra Rare and possibly have some kind of debuff more imaginative than just a damage nerf - speed reduction maybe as someone suggested in the massive "Krysae needs a nerf thread" (could get all Counterstrike - switch to a pistol when running to position, then switch to the huge sniper rifle of death).

Any weapon can be godlike in the hands of G.I.

[EnglishRedneck]

So, nerf a gun other people enjoy using, but leave your Harrier alone? Yup sounds about typical of the nerf everything but what I like using crowd.

[nicethugbert]

Nerf tac cloak. I'm sick and tired of playing decoy for a team full of infiltrators.

[Rick__D]

Nerf ME3

Buff ME2

[1337haxwtg]

All of these other snipers and such people list require you to aim to kill things. You need some level of skill to do well with them. The Krysae is an AOE weapon that hits targets even if you miss.

If you can score 215k in a random / random with GOOD players, or the same amount modified for a selected enemy or map, post a picture to prove it.

[jerrinehart]

jerrinehart wrote...

1337haxwtg wrote...

jerrinehart wrote...

Seriously?> I've seen better scores than that. This gun aint that good, it's that most of the other guns blow.

Looks like we got a ba- okay, not worth the effort.

Dude, yesterday I two manned Gold Reapers like 5 games in a row with just an AA and AJ, noone is crying nerf for BE's, etc. Just cause something actually works well, dosen't mean it's OP. It just means they need to fix the stuff that dosen't work at all.

So basically, I'm wrong for saying nerf it. Instead, buff nearly everything else. In that case, we would need platinum difficulty.

Go brag elsewhere if you cannot contribute in a reasonable manner.





Hey man, not trying to brag, or argue for that matter, just trying to make a point. Some of the stuff in the MP works well because it was designed well, some stuff not so well. I think we just notice the stuff that works well more because there is so much that doesn't. I honestly think it's silly asking for a gun to be toned down when I personally think it's just fine, and there is so much more constuctive stuff we could be asking for them to fix. But hey, whatever man, do your thing.

Modifié par jerrinehart, 31 mai 2012 - 01:23 .

[1337haxwtg]

EnglishRedneck wrote...

So, nerf a gun other people enjoy using, but leave your Harrier alone? Yup sounds about typical of the nerf everything but what I like using crowd.

The point was that they tend to nerf assault rifles into the ground (or they sucked to begin with). The Harrier is in fact balanced. Especially considering the fact that it is an ultra rare.

[Krozuhsky]

Take a drink every time someone says NERF KRYSAE. And by drink, I mean down a bottle of vodka.

[Kuato Livezz]

1337haxwtg wrote...

With an infiltrator, at least, the Krysae  is insane. Somebody said to make it an assault rifle in another thread, so it doesn't get the 1.4 from tactical cloak. This would be a good fix.

This was done on Goddess / Gold, with only the enemy being random. So if it was a random map, that makes it... a 215k ish run? The last place guy joined on wave 4-5 after some guy left and the team wasn't bad at all.

 

While we are at it, the Reegar needs to not benefit from armor penetration mods. This would make it strip shields and suck against armor, as it should be.

Seeing as the Harrier is a good assault rifle, I smell incoming nerfs. Afterall, we couldn't have a GOOD assault rifle, could we? (Leave my Harrier alone!)

So....this is the first time you've seen an infiltrator get that kind of score?  Whats this world coming to?!?!?!?!?

[1337haxwtg]

Krozuhsky wrote...

Take a drink every time someone says NERF KRYSAE. And by drink, I mean down a bottle of vodka.

I have a damaged liver and this would probably kill me. Reporting you for telling me to kill myself. 

[1337haxwtg]

Kuato Livezz wrote...

1337haxwtg wrote...

With an infiltrator, at least, the Krysae  is insane. Somebody said to make it an assault rifle in another thread, so it doesn't get the 1.4 from tactical cloak. This would be a good fix.

This was done on Goddess / Gold, with only the enemy being random. So if it was a random map, that makes it... a 215k ish run? The last place guy joined on wave 4-5 after some guy left and the team wasn't bad at all.

 

While we are at it, the Reegar needs to not benefit from armor penetration mods. This would make it strip shields and suck against armor, as it should be.

Seeing as the Harrier is a good assault rifle, I smell incoming nerfs. Afterall, we couldn't have a GOOD assault rifle, could we? (Leave my Harrier alone!)

So....this is the first time you've seen an infiltrator get that kind of score?  Whats this world coming to?!?!?!?!?

215k? Yes.

[pureblooded88]

Just B/c you cant play with that gun and score that high doesnt means the gun should be nerf. Its the player not the gun. any skilled player would be able to get that score with any gun

[BTCentral]

Sorry, but that sort of score is not uncommon in any way, shape or form.
Just because you outscored some randoms does not mean something needs to be nerfed.

Now, if you were getting 200k+ on every single match with it, then sure, it might need looking at again - but I don't see any evidence of that here. Sometimes people just have good/bad days.

Modifié par BTCentral, 31 mai 2012 - 01:29 .

[John123453242]

That isn't 215k...

[Longhammer808]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Ean_Txelan wrote...

Let me ask you this: If you guys think everything is OP, why do you keep playing this "easy" game?

That's an obvious straw man argument.  He didn't say that everything was OP.  He said that the Krysae was.

Let me ask you this:  Would it kill you to have a civil discussion where you respond to what people actually say instead of some absurd extreme position you concocted yourself and attributed to a hive mind "you guys?"

No, it's not a "straw man" argument, you're missing the context of his response. "You guys" is just a stand-in for the original poster and everyone else who starts a "we must buff X because I am awesome" thread. He's acting out of frustration at seeing another thread like this, and it's a forum, so I believe it's his right to say as much. 

[AwesomeDudex64]

Alright this community sucks, I'm done with this game.

And no, I will not hit my head on the way out.

[tetsutsuru]

OP, first of all, POINTS DO NOT MATTER. And is a basis for NOTHING.

Secondly, are you seriously basing your personal opinion of the Krysae based on that screenshot showing (1) an Infiltrator (high DPS) class outscoring Engineer (support) classes with (2) a 4th player that seems to have joined mid-match?

And to mention that the Engineers are even NOT maxed at level 20.  And having no idea what kind of builds they used, player skill, etc.

You really didn't think this through, did you?

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 31 mai 2012 - 01:30 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Longhammer808 wrote...
No, it's not a "straw man" argument, you're missing the context of his response. "You guys" is just a stand-in for the original poster and everyone else who starts a "we must buff X because I am awesome" thread

OMG really no waaay.  <_<

Incidentally you got it backwards.  It was nerf, not buff.  And it is a straw man argument, because I know that Sweetroll ninja does not think that, and I quote, "everything is OP," and it claims that that is a characteristic of those in the group in which he is being included (and whose arguments are supposedly being refuted).  It is a distorted, twisted, and exaggerated position that the OP does not actually hold or espouse.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 mai 2012 - 01:30 .

[1337haxwtg]

John123453242 wrote...

That isn't 215k...

It is 15% short because of a selected map. Math is hard.

About the carrying comment, thought I said somebody left on wave 4-5.

I never claimed this is the highest score on record. I'm not claiming to be amazing. In fact, I'm saying the high score can be mostly attributed to the weapon.

[DNC Protoman]

1337haxwtg wrote...

Kuato Livezz wrote...

1337haxwtg wrote...

With an infiltrator, at least, the Krysae  is insane. Somebody said to make it an assault rifle in another thread, so it doesn't get the 1.4 from tactical cloak. This would be a good fix.

This was done on Goddess / Gold, with only the enemy being random. So if it was a random map, that makes it... a 215k ish run? The last place guy joined on wave 4-5 after some guy left and the team wasn't bad at all.

 

While we are at it, the Reegar needs to not benefit from armor penetration mods. This would make it strip shields and suck against armor, as it should be.

Seeing as the Harrier is a good assault rifle, I smell incoming nerfs. Afterall, we couldn't have a GOOD assault rifle, could we? (Leave my Harrier alone!)

So....this is the first time you've seen an infiltrator get that kind of score?  Whats this world coming to?!?!?!?!?

215k? Yes.

Hmm...So the OP outscored some randoms and cries nerf.  Interesting.

[1337haxwtg]

Now people are claiming engineers are incapable of pumping out DPS.

I... okay.