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[Kenadian]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Enhanced wrote... Why do you want it to be nerfed?

Because balance is a good thing.

Then buff the plethora of crap weapons. I'm tired of people calling for the good weapons to be destroyed.

[Beerfish]

As I've said in some of these other nerf threads. It's the classes that should be nerfed not the weapon if people are looking for a big challenge. Would that weapon be crazy over powered when not in the hands of an infiltrator sniper?

[nuculerman]

neteng101 wrote...

I_pity_the_fool wrote...

I point out that the OP has suggested a very specific nerf to this gun that would reduce it to the "good, but not game breaking" level.

Its game breaking change for some actually.  Not everyone plays an infiltrator well.  That's the whole idea behind the Krysae, its an un-sniper sniper rifle...  doesn't require the precision of the other sniper rifles.  Yes you can call it a crutch for some, but it serves a purpose.

That purpose is letting people play gold when they should play silver?  Why do ****ty players feel entitled to play the game at the highest difficulty level?

Balance is a good thing.  Even in a coop game.  If you suck at playing an infiltrator, but enjoy it, stick with Bronze or Silver.  There are different game modes for a reason.  If they don't nerf it, they need to buff every other weapon and make a platinum mode.  Clearly that would take way more effort, so nerfing it is the easy solution.

[Zeroth Angel]

 If the Krysae gets nerfed i'm blaming you .

[RazRei]

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/12329341

Don't nerf the gun, change it.

Also if you're not an infiltrator it isn't as overly powerful as you think it is. 

[Pitznik]

neteng101 wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Best effects should be hardest to achieve. With Krysae and Reegar this is no longer the case. Weapons that are harder to master give worse results, even in hands of better players. OP himself said this is rather high score for him, and that it was actually easier for him to achieve it than before. Is it really so great to have good results with no effort?

Yes - it provides an alternative for the less skilled.  There is still the lag, slow rate of fire with the Krysae, and very short range on the Reegar.  Its the good players that are afraid the lesser will be closer to them now, since they have a weapon that assists them more...  that are crying like babies here!

I disagree with you. Most of the success should come from the player, and only small part from the weapon. With those two new guns the balance is screwed. Dumbing down the game isn't ever a solution, since even those less skilled want to play themselves, and not game playing itself for them. What I enjoyed about ME3 was variety of weapons, their various gimmicks, things you should learn to do good. One weapon however stood out as doing bit too much for the player, ie GPS. Now two more joined it. What's next? IWIN button?

[neteng101]

RazRei wrote...

Don't nerf the gun, change it.

Also if you're not an infiltrator it isn't as overly powerful as you think it is. 

No, don't change it.  Its meant for the lesser infiltrators ie. the average player.

Bioware should just ignore the elitist trolls really.

[JGDD]

Beerfish wrote...

As I've said in some of these other nerf threads. It's the classes that should be nerfed not the weapon if people are looking for a big challenge. Would that weapon be crazy over powered when not in the hands of an infiltrator sniper?

I can tell you with a straight face that even in the hands of a SE it can be a punisher. As good as the infiltrators? No, but still a real beast.

[1337haxwtg]

People are STILL claiming I want the gun itself nerfed or infiltrators themselves nerfed. Once again, BSN fails to impress me with reading comprehension skills.

The nerf I suggested only makes it less effective with both the gun AND an infiltrator. Nobody loses, the gun isn't ridiculously OP for one single setup, end of story.

[Chealec]

neteng101 wrote...

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No one should care how other people play the game.

...

Really? So people wouldn't get bored/annoyed if someone took say a level 20 GI with a Krysae into a Bronze game and proceded to kill everything leaving the other 3 players with nothing to do but twiddle their thumbs?

Or if someone joins a game and spends their entire time following the Widow-wielding infiltrator arround spamming Shockwave for giggles? That would be fine would it?

It's a multiplayer game - how 1 person plays/griefs can affect the game for the rest of the players; gods the number of team-killing griefers I've run into in games like Counterstrike over the years... *sighs*

[Drummernate]

Jeez...

Every other thread today is full of Nerf Herders!

[nuculerman]

neteng101 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

Don't nerf the gun, change it.

Also if you're not an infiltrator it isn't as overly powerful as you think it is. 

No, don't change it.  Its meant for the lesser infiltrators ie. the average player.

Bioware should just ignore the elitist trolls really.

This game should be built for ME and not YOU!

Great argument.

[Beerfish]

Pitznik wrote...

neteng101 wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Best effects should be hardest to achieve. With Krysae and Reegar this is no longer the case. Weapons that are harder to master give worse results, even in hands of better players. OP himself said this is rather high score for him, and that it was actually easier for him to achieve it than before. Is it really so great to have good results with no effort?

Yes - it provides an alternative for the less skilled.  There is still the lag, slow rate of fire with the Krysae, and very short range on the Reegar.  Its the good players that are afraid the lesser will be closer to them now, since they have a weapon that assists them more...  that are crying like babies here!

I disagree with you. Most of the success should come from the player, and only small part from the weapon. With those two new guns the balance is screwed. Dumbing down the game isn't ever a solution, since even those less skilled want to play themselves, and not game playing itself for them. What I enjoyed about ME3 was variety of weapons, their various gimmicks, things you should learn to do good. One weapon however stood out as doing bit too much for the player, ie GPS. Now two more joined it. What's next? IWIN button?

You do know that less skilled does not mean 'doesn't try hard' or 'doesn't play enough'.  Skill in games like this is like anything else, probably a bell curve.  You will always have elite players, you will have a bunch of good to medium players and you will have poorer players.  Most players will never reach the ability levels of the top 1/3 of players.  Some better weapons let the medium to lower end people have more compete.  To nerf weapons based on the top 1/4 or less of players just pushes the other people furhter down the rung.

[soulscore]

Beerfish wrote...

As I've said in some of these other nerf threads. It's the classes that should be nerfed not the weapon if people are looking for a big challenge. Would that weapon be crazy over powered when not in the hands of an infiltrator sniper?

so much hate for the GI, not just this thread, but everywhere. TC is overpowered, They steal kills, they don't do objectives. I do almost every objective including hacks "most times by myself", I don't steal kills I kill problematic targets "rocket launchers, phantoms, bosses". TC overpowered? and using space magic flying across the screen, or making a clone isn't?

[1337haxwtg]

neteng101 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

Don't nerf the gun, change it.

Also if you're not an infiltrator it isn't as overly powerful as you think it is. 

No, don't change it.  Its meant for the lesser infiltrators ie. the average player.

Bioware should just ignore the elitist trolls really.

Stop attacking us for differing in opinion or get the hell out of the thread. I'm not an elitest by any stretch of the word. There are players who are better and worse than me. I play to have fun, not to have a high score. I stick with the teams, communicate, revive, and help with objectives.

You know nothing of me because I've neverplayed with you. Now that you see me stating that an obviously ridiculous setup needs changed, I'm an eitist troll? I guess elitest trolls must use their time posting threads helping others learn to snipe and to inform people about how to avoid bugs, etc.

There is no reason one gun should make any person gold-viable and already gold-viable players unstoppable killing machines.

Modifié par 1337haxwtg, 31 mai 2012 - 03:01 .

[Chealec]

nuculerman wrote...

neteng101 wrote...

I_pity_the_fool wrote...

I point out that the OP has suggested a very specific nerf to this gun that would reduce it to the "good, but not game breaking" level.

Its game breaking change for some actually.  Not everyone plays an infiltrator well.  That's the whole idea behind the Krysae, its an un-sniper sniper rifle...  doesn't require the precision of the other sniper rifles.  Yes you can call it a crutch for some, but it serves a purpose.

That purpose is letting people play gold when they should play silver?  Why do ****ty players feel entitled to play the game at the highest difficulty level?

Balance is a good thing.  Even in a coop game.  If you suck at playing an infiltrator, but enjoy it, stick with Bronze or Silver.  There are different game modes for a reason.  If they don't nerf it, they need to buff every other weapon and make a platinum mode.  Clearly that would take way more effort, so nerfing it is the easy solution.

People playing for fun? What planet are you from?! People play for da monies - therefore FBW/G/G. They'll never play silver or bronze because you don't get the same amount of shinies at the end of it but they don't actually want a challenge, god for forbid, they want a button that says "I WIN - GIVE ME MY 75K!"

</sarcasm>

[dr octagon 3000]

New stuff comes out -- it's all wrong -- community cries out for nerfs and buffs. (queue lion king theme song) Its the circle of life

[Empi3_ALK]

tried the krysae, it sucked. wasn't an infiltrator tho.
tried the reegar, phantom eater. very good as long as you have the ammo. high risk against geth pyros.
my two cents

Modifié par Empi3_ALK, 31 mai 2012 - 03:01 .

[Dynamik78]

1337haxwtg wrote...

 

Enhanced wrote...

Why do you want it to be nerfed?

 

If for no other reason than because I would like to see a variety of weapons and builds in MP. Having one insanely good weapon or class ruins the variety of the game and makes it wear out faster. No weapon should be clearly better than another by this large a margin.

ME:yes sure everybody will use the Krysae from now on /sarcasm off

xtorma wrote...

People get those kinds of scores with other weapons. I am not sure what you are trying to prove here.

215k scores? Few people do that.

ME:I read 186285

Modifié par Dynamik78, 31 mai 2012 - 03:03 .

[nuculerman]

Beerfish wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

neteng101 wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Best effects should be hardest to achieve. With Krysae and Reegar this is no longer the case. Weapons that are harder to master give worse results, even in hands of better players. OP himself said this is rather high score for him, and that it was actually easier for him to achieve it than before. Is it really so great to have good results with no effort?

Yes - it provides an alternative for the less skilled.  There is still the lag, slow rate of fire with the Krysae, and very short range on the Reegar.  Its the good players that are afraid the lesser will be closer to them now, since they have a weapon that assists them more...  that are crying like babies here!

I disagree with you. Most of the success should come from the player, and only small part from the weapon. With those two new guns the balance is screwed. Dumbing down the game isn't ever a solution, since even those less skilled want to play themselves, and not game playing itself for them. What I enjoyed about ME3 was variety of weapons, their various gimmicks, things you should learn to do good. One weapon however stood out as doing bit too much for the player, ie GPS. Now two more joined it. What's next? IWIN button?

You do know that less skilled does not mean 'doesn't try hard' or 'doesn't play enough'.  Skill in games like this is like anything else, probably a bell curve.  You will always have elite players, you will have a bunch of good to medium players and you will have poorer players.  Most players will never reach the ability levels of the top 1/3 of players.  Some better weapons let the medium to lower end people have more compete.  To nerf weapons based on the top 1/4 or less of players just pushes the other people furhter down the rung.

Bad players aren't entitled to play the game at the highest difficulty level.  This argument is pointless.  There is a Bronze and Silver difficulty level for "poor" and "average" players, respectively.

[nuculerman]

Chealec wrote...

nuculerman wrote...

neteng101 wrote...

I_pity_the_fool wrote...

I point out that the OP has suggested a very specific nerf to this gun that would reduce it to the "good, but not game breaking" level.

Its game breaking change for some actually.  Not everyone plays an infiltrator well.  That's the whole idea behind the Krysae, its an un-sniper sniper rifle...  doesn't require the precision of the other sniper rifles.  Yes you can call it a crutch for some, but it serves a purpose.

That purpose is letting people play gold when they should play silver?  Why do ****ty players feel entitled to play the game at the highest difficulty level?

Balance is a good thing.  Even in a coop game.  If you suck at playing an infiltrator, but enjoy it, stick with Bronze or Silver.  There are different game modes for a reason.  If they don't nerf it, they need to buff every other weapon and make a platinum mode.  Clearly that would take way more effort, so nerfing it is the easy solution.

People playing for fun? What planet are you from?! People play for da monies - therefore FBW/G/G. They'll never play silver or bronze because you don't get the same amount of shinies at the end of it but they don't actually want a challenge, god for forbid, they want a button that says "I WIN - GIVE ME MY 75K!"

</sarcasm>

Yeah.  It makes me wish all difficulties awarded the same money, and bronze and silver just had some extra waves so they took the same amount of time.  The game would be much better that way.  Gold would be much more fun for those of us who enjoy playing it.

[soulscore]

1337haxwtg wrote...

neteng101 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

Don't nerf the gun, change it.

Also if you're not an infiltrator it isn't as overly powerful as you think it is. 

No, don't change it.  Its meant for the lesser infiltrators ie. the average player.

Bioware should just ignore the elitist trolls really.

Stop attacking us for differing in opinion or get the hell out of the thread. I'm not an elitest by any stretch of the word. There are players who are better and worse than me. I play to have fun, not to have a high score. I stick with the teams, communicate, revive, and help with objectives.

You know nothing of me because I've neverplayed with you. Now that you see me stating that an obviously ridiculous setup needs changed, I'm an eitist troll? I guess elitest trolls must use their time posting threads helping others learn to snipe and to inform people about how to avoid bugs, etc.

There is no reason one gun should make any person gold-viable and already gold-viable players unstoppable killing machines.

takes two to tango look in a mirror before bashing others

Modifié par soulscore, 31 mai 2012 - 03:05 .

[1337haxwtg]

soulscore wrote...

1337haxwtg wrote...

neteng101 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

Don't nerf the gun, change it.

Also if you're not an infiltrator it isn't as overly powerful as you think it is. 

No, don't change it.  Its meant for the lesser infiltrators ie. the average player.

Bioware should just ignore the elitist trolls really.

Stop attacking us for differing in opinion or get the hell out of the thread. I'm not an elitest by any stretch of the word. There are players who are better and worse than me. I play to have fun, not to have a high score. I stick with the teams, communicate, revive, and help with objectives.

You know nothing of me because I've neverplayed with you. Now that you see me stating that an obviously ridiculous setup needs changed, I'm an eitist troll? I guess elitest trolls must use their time posting threads helping others learn to snipe and to inform people about how to avoid bugs, etc.

There is no reason one gun should make any person gold-viable and already gold-viable players unstoppable killing machines.

takes two to tango look in a mirror before bashing others

I'm not doing any name-calling.

[neteng101]

1337haxwtg wrote...

There is no reason one gun should make any person gold-viable and already gold-viable players unstoppable killing machines.

And the gun doesn't.  It just in your mind.  Yes you may not consider yourself an elitist, but you probably play more than the casual player out there, and even myself as an average player, I play a lot at least, vs. those who don't nearly as much.

So can you please cut it out, people don't appreciate being told how to play the game.  Stop telling others how to play the game because that is what you are really trying to do here.  Nerf something because its not the way you like it the game to work.

It makes you look like an elitist, even if you don't consider yourself one.  If people can mind their own business, and just let others have fun, is that such a bad thing?

[tetsutsuru]

1337haxwtg wrote...

People are STILL claiming I want the gun itself nerfed or infiltrators themselves nerfed. Once again, BSN fails to impress me with reading comprehension skills.

The nerf I suggested only makes it less effective with both the gun AND an infiltrator. Nobody loses, the gun isn't ridiculously OP for one single setup, end of story.

A few things:

1.  The Krysae and Infiltrator combo nets a high DPS, but is NOT game-breaking.
2.  Your support for your own argument claim is weak, netting the flak you're receiving.
3.  Everyone is different.  Not everyone likes, or will like, to SPECIFICALLY play an Infiltrator with a Krysae.
4.  How entitled and self-absorbed do you think you are to claim, "ONCE AGAIN, BSN fails to impress me"?

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 31 mai 2012 - 03:08 .