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[BlackoutOmega]

1337haxwtg wrote...

How have I "attacked how people play the game?" I've just pointed out why having an overpowered weapon ruins the game for others.

How? It's a co-op game, anything to help the team right?
Just shut up. Every one of my favorite guns has been nerfed because this entire forum doesn't know how to enjoy the game for what it is. 

[soulscore]

1337haxwtg wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Maybe part of the reason for strange balance changes like the Proximity Mine buff or the Vindicator nerf is that Bioware has trouble taking feedback from a community that is overrun by ideological factions that say nerf all the things, buff all the things, or change none of the things.

There should just be one faction: Balance all the things. You shouldn't argue about whether everything or nothing should be buffed/nerfed. You should argue about whether a particular suggested change would improve the balance of the game or not. It would be much more productive.

How is Bioware supposed to sort out sensible feedback from this tripe? When you call for buffing everything, you give absolutely zero useful feedback on balancing the game.

Balance changes are going to come. The community might as well have an honest, constructive discussion about what changes would be desirable instead of screaming absurd extremist nonsense at each other and outright villifying each other with baseless libel for no damn reason. Seriously, seeing things like "you only want balance because you're afraid of someone else doing good" or "you want this buffed? You must suck at the game if you want it to be easier" are things that just should not happen. People do not need a sinister ulterior motive to desire balance.

I mean, this @#$% is getting old really fast. I've been around, and out of dozens of gaming forums... single player, co-op, competitive, pen and paper or miniatures games, whatever... and this is the first time I've ever seen a forum that had trouble with the idea "balance is a good thing." Usually the arguments are about whether something is balanced or not, or whether a given change would improve balance or not, not whether balance is something to be desired to begin with. I find it rather baffling that this is even a subject of contention.

Some form of balance matters in a co-op game. Heck, it matters in just about every kind of game. Balance provides all kinds of handy benefits when it comes to the aesthetic experience of a game. It isn't just about fair play and everyone having a comparable chance to succeed, though there's that too. It also does things like create meaningful choices, add depth, promote variety, reward experimentation, facilitate a wider variety of playstyles, add replay value, and more.

hmmm seems like I read this already....

[StrawHatMoose]

Nerf it!!!! Nerf it!!!! Iv had my fun!!!! Now net it so other people can't have any fun with a good gun!!! I represent the peoplesoeveryone must agree with me that this gun needs to be NERFED because I used it once and I don't want anybody else to have fun!!!! Waaaaaaah!!

[Chaoswind]

This gun needs a drawback as a nerf

I said in the other thread to reduce the speed by 10% of anyone that uses it, or make it impossible to roll with one on hand.

The Reager (sp?) needs to suck vs armor (like the smg)

No damage nerfs, no weight increases, just plain old drawbacks.

The Harrier is a BEAST, but everyone knows its drawback.

[Kel Riever]

It isn' that balance isn't a good thing. That is missing the point, I think, of a lot of the posts. It really is that a person can't know, sorry, enough yet to know if something is nerfed. Even if you did you SHOULD know enough nobody is going to respect your opinion with less than a week after release. Truth is, a person SHOULD know enough to check their ego, no matter how good a player they are, and still give it some actual not-stupid-too-short-amount of time to play it out to confirm suspicions.

Balance is a good thing. It makes games more fun, even the coop ones. Because it adds variety and interest. Nerfing is part of that. Buffing is part of that. But you don't nerf and buff stuff, or even ask for it, 3 or whatever, days after release. It isn't smart.

[1337haxwtg]

StrawHatMoose wrote...

Nerf it!!!! Nerf it!!!! Iv had my fun!!!! Now net it so other people can't have any fun with a good gun!!! I represent the peoplesoeveryone must agree with me that this gun needs to be NERFED because I used it once and I don't want anybody else to have fun!!!! Waaaaaaah!!

What are you, 12?

WHY does nobody seem to understand that I suggested NOTHING to change the gun. I suggested something to change the way the gun is linked to a certain skill; Nothing more.

Now all I'm getting for this is attacks on me, absurd reasons for disregarding balance, being told to shut up because people don't agree, accused of having a huge ego, and senseless bragging over better scores.

Modifié par 1337haxwtg, 31 mai 2012 - 03:43 .

[soulscore]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

BlackoutOmega wrote...

1337haxwtg wrote...

How have I "attacked how people play the game?" I've just pointed out why having an overpowered weapon ruins the game for others.

How? It's a co-op game, anything to help the team right?
Just shut up. Every one of my favorite guns has been nerfed because this entire forum doesn't know how to enjoy the game for what it is. 

QFT shut up OP.
Just... shut up.

seems like this is a ending thread with both sides starting to lose there cool.

[ToughReason]

1337haxwtg wrote...
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There is no reason one gun should make any person gold-viable and already gold-viable players unstoppable killing machines.

+1
Im one who want game to force me in quick cover , to kill me and sometime even to lose battles.
I want challenge.

We have one easy mode FBW/G/G

 Or we have some new tupe of game and  i call it:  *GoldLikeBronze* mode

[soulscore]

1337haxwtg wrote...

StrawHatMoose wrote...

Nerf it!!!! Nerf it!!!! Iv had my fun!!!! Now net it so other people can't have any fun with a good gun!!! I represent the peoplesoeveryone must agree with me that this gun needs to be NERFED because I used it once and I don't want anybody else to have fun!!!! Waaaaaaah!!

What are you, 12?

WHY does nobody seem to understand that I suggested NOTHING to change the gun. I suggested something to change the way the gun is linked to a certain skill; Nothing more.

Now all I'm getting for this is attacks on me, absurd reasons for disregarding balance, and senseless bragging over better scores.

why not name it "a skill" Gold Run - Nerf this thing, and use the weapon as a point! if you name a weapon not a skill as nerf this thing people will think you want the gun nerfed

[1337haxwtg]

soulscore wrote...

1337haxwtg wrote...

StrawHatMoose wrote...

Nerf it!!!! Nerf it!!!! Iv had my fun!!!! Now net it so other people can't have any fun with a good gun!!! I represent the peoplesoeveryone must agree with me that this gun needs to be NERFED because I used it once and I don't want anybody else to have fun!!!! Waaaaaaah!!

What are you, 12?

WHY does nobody seem to understand that I suggested NOTHING to change the gun. I suggested something to change the way the gun is linked to a certain skill; Nothing more.

Now all I'm getting for this is attacks on me, absurd reasons for disregarding balance, and senseless bragging over better scores.

why not name it "a skill" Gold Run - Nerf this thing, and use the weapon as a point! if you name a weapon not a skill as nerf this thing people will think you want the gun nerfed

You have a point there. I can admit being wrong, and the title is misleading to that effect. I will change it.

[iTz JoNeSy]

This thread.... is terrible. Who... the ****... cares... if its overpowered? Why would you abuse this weapon and then complain about its power online? I think this thread was REALLY aimed at "hey, look at my score people! ". If it wasn't, then why didn't i make this thread when i took a big poo on your score doing gold solo with this weapon? WHY? Now stop crying. Bioware have already made every single sniper in the game useless. How? Well, let me tell you how. Bioware seem to think that... wait for it....... shooting enemies in the head shouldn't deal more damage... ROFLLMFAOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Please dont let bioware near zombie games...

[Aryck the One]

xtorma wrote...

People get those kinds of scores with other weapons. I am not sure what you are trying to prove here.

This.

I see people pull this kind of thing with the Geth Plasma Shotgun all the time. It's not the Krysae; it's the Infiltrator. They get a massive damage bonus for sneak attacks with the most powerful weapons in the game (sniper rifles) which no other class has.

Try the Krysae with any other class, and it's about half as useful.

[Zeroth Angel]

IT IS A COOP GAME!
Why do you care?

[neteng101]

1337haxwtg wrote...

Now all I'm getting for this is attacks on me, absurd reasons for disregarding balance, being told to shut up because people don't agree, accused of having a huge ego, and senseless bragging over better scores.

If you'd take a minute to think before you responded to the litany of reponses you got.

• You originally chose to name the topic as "nerf the gun".  Funny how you just changed it now given all the flak you've gotten, but that's what you did.
• Infiltrators are not OP, its your stacked build and understanding of game mechanics that makes them OP.
• You are using score as a justification for your suggestion, are you not?

If you truly wanted to be constructive, you'd have picked a better topic title to start with.  Changing it now just loses you any credibility you might have as far as real interest in game balance.

[Rosalina is my BabyCakes]

Wow I am going to overuse this gun before its gets nerfed >.<

[Rosalina is my BabyCakes]

Wow I am going to overuse this gun before its gets nerfed >.<
I don't even have it on level X yet

[ClockworkSpectre]

Looks more like the OP had a weak team and had to carry it. Why the hell do we have to keep putting up with these nerf threads, this is way past absurd. There may be instances where a match turns out like that, but that is no justification for this crap. They added three weapons to this DLC that are each in a different weapon class, you don't honestly think they will make this an AR and double up on a weapon type. It may be a simplistic argument, but I can't see it happening. A second infiltrator can easily keep up with other types of weapons as long as they are good with them. The average player won't be able to head shot everything, so why ruin their fun. I have seen several infiltrators using this gun barely achieve 2nd or 3rd place on the score board.

[Hypertion]

Krysae is only Slightly more than it should be in a perfectly Balanced world.

it could take a 20% damage reduction to its base damage and still be a good gun.

Back when i made a topic about adding a Explosive Sniper Rifle like the ones you could make in ME1 i suggested a Single Shot Exploder with Damage Slightly less than a similar level Mantis.

Atm its best comparison is a Black Widow which due to being Ultra Rare should be better. However the base damage on the Krysae is slightly higher which makes no sense to me.

you could drop the Krysaes damage to the level of the Valiant and it would be quite Balanced still.

Note that the Valiant does much less damage than a Black Widow. Around Half each shot. its true power comes from a Fast ROF with no recoil.


so yes while i do love this gun it could be Balanced better. However do not call for Nerfing it.

i would rather get away from that terrible word....

[Tankcommander]

I have it maxed out, and it is ridiculous. My Black Widow does very well, but requires good aiming on my part. The Krysae, on the other hand, just requires me to point in the general direction, and does as much splash damage as my BW does direct.

I like the idea of making it an AR, or toning it down a bit. It is way too easy to use currently.

[Jayhau]

Yeah.. I'd put money on this being nerfed and people crying "top many nerfs I'm quitting now!"

It's good. Too goo though? I'm sure everyone have their own opinions on it.. But the nerf bat is a comin'

[DNC Protoman]

I propose a system where those who complain about weapon and power OPness are allowed to regisgter their origin ID with EA and be put on the nerf list. The powers and weapons they complain about will be nerfed for them while those who don't mind better abilities / weps. will not be hindered.


That way they will recieve the "Balance" they desire and not ruin the game for others. Win-Win. The more I think about it, the more this idea makes perfect sense. The nerf list should be a pay to play feature added to the game.

Here's why it could work,

1.) Those wanting the nerfs mostly have the weps all at mark X. Tells me they are hardcore players willing to shell out $. They want the "Balanced" experience and just might be willing to pay for it. =Revenue gained.
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2.) Nerfing angers the average player and may cause them to shift towards other games.
=Revenue lost.

3.) Take the revenue gained from the "Nerfers" who are paying to play then and use it to maintain / improve servers, develop new DLC or whatever. That keeps all players happy and that investment has potential to keep this game going longer and more profitably.

In short this Idea will give the Nerfers what they want and potentially improve the game for us all rather than ruining it slowly.

Hope your listening EA / Bioware

[Hypertion]

Also atm its possible to pull off Burst double shots with the Krysae.

While if you are not hosting the second shot will often fire blanks its a trick that makes me know that even if the Krysae does have its current damage i can still easly kill with it.


for people who havent discovered it yet any multi round Clip Charge able weapon can often be fired like this. the GPS and Graal are the biggest with it.
to do it simply Charge your gun and the moment you release and fire spam the trigger. i not sure exactly what causes it but you will often fire a second shot the instant after the first.

its basically like Reload Canceling in terms of Glitches it seems. Since the Krysae doesnt actually increase in damage when you charge it suffers no ill effects from using this trick.