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[Rifneno]

Deucetipher wrote...

Elite3141 wrote...

Deucetipher wrote...

I don't know. I kind of like it so far. I'm somewhere around 440, and it makes it easier to find a decent random/random/gold game

So, you're not sure if a feature that almost entirely removes the ability for some people to play the game they paid for should be removed just because you're playing with slightly better people?  You're a very considerate person.

I don't know if some people supporting it don't understand how bad it is for people with a higher N7 rank, or if they're just too selfish to care.

There is really no need to make this personal.  I was just pointing out my own experience in hopes of engaging in constructive discussion, not mud-flinging.   Personal attacks are decidedly unhelpful. 

He didn't start name calling.  He said it's selfish to promote something that gives a minor personal gain but is overall cancer to the community.  And whether you like it or not, it is.

[drmoose00]

Karstedt wrote...

The last 2 days have been terrible. I don't know if I can play gold or silver PUGs anymore. I'm not only getting bad lag, but I think the players with N7 ratings near mine must be pretty crappy or simply don't want to work together. It's been fail after fail.

ya my experience exactly.

[Mr. Heavy]

Yes, please remove the N7 matchmaking system. No only is it a bad idea to wall off new players from more experienced ones, but N7 is not a good analog to skill or even experience. Not a great idea, and ineffective execution.

[drmoose00]

sigma_draconis wrote...

This could mean that someone who regularly wins Gold but never promotes (because there are respec cards) will stay at N7120 while someone who plays only Bronze can have an N71000+ because he promotes every time he hits level 20.

exaclty. I they want it to mean anything they should do it based on experience points earned during a match.

[Chairman Hammer]

I would like to see this implemented as a selectable option. Personally, for someone with an N7 rating in the 700's, I have had no trouble filling a lobby and overall my games have went MUCH smoother. However, I can see how this is negatively affecting others, especially those with very high or low N7 ratings. I appears Bioware is already discussing changing this new "feature."

[alternatefallen]

Mr. Heavy wrote...

Yes, please remove the N7 matchmaking system. No only is it a bad idea to wall off new players from more experienced ones, but N7 is not a good analog to skill or even experience. Not a great idea, and ineffective execution.

My thoughts exactly. Thing is, there isn't really any analog to the skill or experience of the players.

Maybe at the lobby when clicking on other players if you could see a counter with "successful extraction from: X bronze matches / Y silver matches / Z gold matches", assuming these stats are tracked..somewhere.

[deanzig]

My vote is the new system sucks. Can't even get my lobby filled... please, change it back.

[YoMaNiTz420]

deanzig wrote...

My vote is the new system sucks. Can't even get my lobby filled... please, change it back.

I couldn't agree more.  It's better to be tied in with the whole player community than just a limited number of people. 

[FellishBeast]

Aaagh. I hate it. I don't mind a variety of N7 ranks...not to mention it takes forever to get a full lobby now :/

[Adhok42]

Got a reply from Chris not more then a few minutes ago.

Still Investigating.

Keep the /rollbacks coming.

/sign for ROLLBACK!

[Meeeps]

1 of 10 planned games today, I seriously hope, this bug is fixed tomorrow :'-(

[Deucetipher]

Rifneno wrote...

Deucetipher wrote...

Elite3141 wrote...

Deucetipher wrote...

I don't know. I kind of like it so far. I'm somewhere around 440, and it makes it easier to find a decent random/random/gold game

So, you're not sure if a feature that almost entirely removes the ability for some people to play the game they paid for should be removed just because you're playing with slightly better people?  You're a very considerate person.

I don't know if some people supporting it don't understand how bad it is for people with a higher N7 rank, or if they're just too selfish to care.

There is really no need to make this personal.  I was just pointing out my own experience in hopes of engaging in constructive discussion, not mud-flinging.   Personal attacks are decidedly unhelpful. 

He didn't start name calling.  He said it's selfish to promote something that gives a minor personal gain but is overall cancer to the community.  And whether you like it or not, it is.

If what you claim is true, then your conclusion would be correct; however, I am addressing the substantive premise, whether it is in fact a "cancer to the community."  Last I checked, I too was a member of the aforementioned community.  
Furthermore, a reasonable person would regard being called selfish and inconsiderate, even by implication, as name-calling.
Substantively, I was hoping to suggest a modification of the existing system, perhaps a simple formula that the farther one is from the median ME3 player, the larger the range of potential match-making is.  Another simpler, but likely more difficult to implement, alternative would be that one is merely matched with a minimum number of players , as close as possible to seeker's N7.  Either would likely resolve the present difficulties.

[A4RiZ0812]

Rollback please.
The community did not ask for this and your simply dividing the community.

[Adhok42]

Deucetipher wrote...
If what you claim is true, then your conclusion would be correct; however, I am addressing the substantive premise, whether it is in fact a "cancer to the community."  Last I checked, I too was a member of the aforementioned community.  
Furthermore, a reasonable person would regard being called selfish and inconsiderate, even by implication, as name-calling.
Substantively, I was hoping to suggest a modification of the existing system, perhaps a simple formula that the farther one is from the median ME3 player, the larger the range of potential match-making is.  Another simpler, but likely more difficult to implement, alternative would be that one is merely matched with a minimum number of players , as close as possible to seeker's N7.  Either would likely resolve the present difficulties.

Look, we're really stressed out about this "feature" that was added without our knowledge and is actually killing the game. It's all well and good for you but I see that you're closer to the 440's. That about the range where everyone may stop promoting and lock in their chars.

I'm not good. I'm 1021 and play at odd hours because of RL. I'm lucky to even find a match in progress anymore and end up playing the same people for hours on end instead of getting varaity forcing me to constantly think on my feet and adapt to new classes and varying levels of experiance.

I enjoy having the threat of failure lurking over my head, even the possiblity of wiping a bronze (which is still possible) is a thrill.

Now it's pretty much speed runs.

It's not fun anymore.

[forthary]

Matching players together based on their N7 rank is NOT a accurate measure of how skilled a player is, or even how much time they have put into the game. Sure, at first, it can 'seem' accurate, because a player with a N1 rank won't have much, but after a few levels, it can quickly get inaccurate. Some players, such as myself, also DO NOT promote characters as much as others, which is a big factor in N7 ranking; hell, I promote my characters usually during events like last weekend's event. Plus, players may play on different consoles as well.

At best, the only thing I could recommend is matching players based on their level, and even that should be optional. Matching someone based on their N7 rank is not a good way to measure one's playtime or experience.

[MarkVsColin]

Noticed it taking longer to fill game lobbies while it was always so easy to get a game before, with declining numbers in players playing online with so much other games out there dividing the community is not a good idea

[john-in-france]

Voting for rollback on this feature. It was bad eneough getting a lobby of PuG before....now I can go and make tea and a sandwich before I get a full team.

Just for the record I rarely promote and am a N7 3XX not sure where, as it is unimportant to me personally. Sadly I keep getting lobbies with obvious newbies who should really still be playing Bronze....

[Ibn_Shisha]

/Rollback

[tATu4Yul]

Alright, this is my first time ever to actually post anything on this forum, but I must say, this new matchmaking system is beyond no doubt a total misjudged step from Bioware. People say they have to wait around 10-20 minutes to fill up the lobby, but in my case, NEVER.

First of all, I play on Xbox and my N7 is 4300+. Before the patch, when I want to host in a public game, I normally make a room and start immediately just by myself, and usually before it gets past wave 3 or so, people join in during the game by quicksearch and eventually we get a full team. Even when I wait for couple of players to join the lobby, it wouldn't take less than a minute in almost every occasion. Now, either way, there is absolutely nobody joining no matter how much you wait around. How many 4000+ players do you think there are in Xbox to begin with? I always promote every single characters as soon as they reach lv 20 cos I kinda enjoy the process of leveling up in a couple of silver games from the scratch till I reach a certain level to efficiently play in gold, but for the first time, after this seriously messed up matchmaking system was introduced, I am really hesitant to even promote my characters. It's almost as if they're punishing me for it.

Now this time, let's look at the joining process. Let's say majority of the players' ratings are around 1-1000. In order for me to join the game that those are hosting, there should be a N7 7000+ player in the lobby with him. Yeah, there's only one or two guys around that rating in Xbox. Good luck for me I guess? Well yes if you keep pressing cancel at the quick searching process and re-search, you are gonna be able to join some games, but in that case, they completely disregard the search option(i.e. difficulty) and put you in literally *any* game available.

So in a nutshell, in my case, i am forced to solo if I want to be the host in public games, or join a completely *random* games. Does this sound OK? Some posters here suggested it might be difficult for high N7 rating guys to play now, and well, that is an understatement. It's now nearly IMPOSSIBLE to play a proper game in a public match, at least in my case. No need to roll it back? You be the judge.

Modifié par tATu4Yul, 01 juin 2012 - 05:18 .

[Deucetipher]

Adhok42 wrote...

Deucetipher wrote...
If what you claim is true, then your conclusion would be correct; however, I am addressing the substantive premise, whether it is in fact a "cancer to the community."  Last I checked, I too was a member of the aforementioned community.  
Furthermore, a reasonable person would regard being called selfish and inconsiderate, even by implication, as name-calling.
Substantively, I was hoping to suggest a modification of the existing system, perhaps a simple formula that the farther one is from the median ME3 player, the larger the range of potential match-making is.  Another simpler, but likely more difficult to implement, alternative would be that one is merely matched with a minimum number of players , as close as possible to seeker's N7.  Either would likely resolve the present difficulties.

Look, we're really stressed out about this "feature" that was added without our knowledge and is actually killing the game. It's all well and good for you but I see that you're closer to the 440's. That about the range where everyone may stop promoting and lock in their chars.

I'm not good. I'm 1021 and play at odd hours because of RL. I'm lucky to even find a match in progress anymore and end up playing the same people for hours on end instead of getting varaity forcing me to constantly think on my feet and adapt to new classes and varying levels of experiance.

I enjoy having the threat of failure lurking over my head, even the possiblity of wiping a bronze (which is still possible) is a thrill.

Now it's pretty much speed runs.

It's not fun anymore.

First let me thank you for responding civilly.  
I see your point, because there is a tremendous amount of variability where I currently play as far a skill level, as well as a vastly greater subset of players.  I guess for me I enjoy the intra-team competition, and being forced to stretch myself in order to keep up with my team-mates is a lot of fun.  I get more of that than I did before.  Before everyone shouts that n7 does not equal skill, of that I am well aware.  I am just relating my personal experience since the patch.

Also, you're right.  I should have put more thought into my first comment.  I did not realize it was quite so emotionally charged.  After I got the first response, I got my dander up, so to speak.  I should have made allowance.

Modifié par Deucetipher, 01 juin 2012 - 05:22 .

[CMalk]

If they dont rollback, the game will die, just tried to join full lobbys today on bronze, silver and gold, and never found more than 2 players, im n7 19xx and when hosting a lobby with one friend we can wait forever to get more people....so we just play alone.
Im ok with the game, but stop making things like thats.

[BaBuZzO]

STOP IT PLEASE!!!

[PolisMassa]

It's so weird that they implemented this in an way that makes it almost impossible to host (or becomme the host if everybody leaves the lobby your in) if you have a very high N7 rank.
I managed to join a quickmatch ( N7 between 600 -3500 played one round everyone left) I became the host ( with around 3200 n7) and there it ends no one connects really NO ONE.
So Bioware still discussing? If its good or bad? Maybe your next marketing success vill be reset N7 rank cards, and of course they should be mega rare.

[Cid Revolution]

Any word on when they're going to rollback?

[Traim Eisenblut]

They are still discussing. I bet the one who suggested that change now claims artistic integrity for it and Dr. Ray Muzyka will write us a letter where he says they can't rollback but will clarify the new system...