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[omgBAMF]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

Tankcommander wrote...

corvette3 wrote...

Warp/throw spam should never be more viable than careful sniper rifle aim... though i actually agree on the Atlas canopy-double damage removal, i think you should be able to kill the pilot, however.

You'd think skill would be rewarded rather than button spam...but no.

Last time I checked shooting was just that, button spam.  It wasn't that hard to hit the head of a slow-ass moving target like a prime.  Skill?  Really?  Get over yourselves... yeah real hard to line up a shot on a target moving that slow.

Do it consistently on a fast moving target such as a phantom, and I'll give you a cookie.  At least then you have to actually try...

Too bad you can't headshot a phantom anymore anyway. :innocent:

Oh really? Can you please cite a source for this info?  The games I played today show otherwise.

[Star fury]

omgBAMF wrote...

the only "headshots" they removed were from geth primes.  Atlas/brutes/phantoms/pyros/ravagers all still have weak spots.

All you people are acting like the only thing you can do against bosses is shoot them.  Yeah... forget bio-explosions and tech bursts, because those are completely out of the question.  Forget armor damage/debuffing powers like incinerate/most grenades/flamer/cryo blast/proxy mine/carnage/etc.... cause all those are worthless as well.

Hello! Bio removed "headshots" from atlases too. Now with their crazy 21 000 health/shields it just boring shootfest or BE spam. Very very challenging and includes tactical genius!
Also with Kishok you could headshot everything. I don't get an idea when you can't get increased damage from shooting someone's head. Or shooting into pilot's window, what you can break in SP. Yes, you can break it in singleplayer. But suddenly in MP you cannot.   

[Necrotron]

I miss actually aiming when I'm shooting a Geth Prime. Oh well. Now, they're just bags of HP.

[Xaijin]

Air Quotes wrote...

Primes are absolutely not balanced after the headshot removal: Let's compare the 3 heavy hitters:

1. Banshee - Closes in on you fast. Will insta-kill you. Apart from that - very slow Nova attack that you can prepare for, very slow walking while doing nothing, very slow Warp attack that tracks and can be very annoying and hard to dodge, but you can prepare for it.
2. Atlas - Moves super slow. Regular shots DON'T stun you. Fires rockets that track, but does an obvious animation before shooting, so you can prepare. Slow melee attacks that can be easily dodged. Has weakspots such as groin, knee and shoulder plates.
3. Prime. Moves faster than Atlas, EVERY shot of the pulse cannon stuns you. Spawns drones and turrets, and after each spawn, they can shoot again. So they can fire 6-9 shots depending on circumstances non-stop. Shots track you. Will shoot you from any range - close or far. Fast melee that stuns. Doesn't have to lock on you visibly like ravager or nemesis has to. NO weakspots.

And Primes spawn more in numbers than Atlases or Banshees.

Prime is the only enemy that had headshot removed.  Primes spawn in more numbers than the other two because of farming changes. Can't have you cake and eat it too.

[omgBAMF]

Star fury wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

the only "headshots" they removed were from geth primes.  Atlas/brutes/phantoms/pyros/ravagers all still have weak spots.

All you people are acting like the only thing you can do against bosses is shoot them.  Yeah... forget bio-explosions and tech bursts, because those are completely out of the question.  Forget armor damage/debuffing powers like incinerate/most grenades/flamer/cryo blast/proxy mine/carnage/etc.... cause all those are worthless as well.

Hello! Bio removed "headshots" from atlases too. Now with their crazy 21 000 health/shields it just boring shootfest or BE spam. Very very challenging and includes tactical genius!
Also with Kishok you could headshot everything. I don't get an idea when you can't get increased damage from shooting someone's head. Or shooting into pilot's window, what you can break in SP. Yes, you can break it in singleplayer. But suddenly in MP you cannot.   

Atlas still has weak spots... but apparently you arent aware of them.  Shoot off the crotch plate/knee joints/shoulders for a damage spike.  Usually does about 2-4 bars of damage.  The idea of shooting the canopy in SP was to take the driver out and commandeer the atlas.  If you could do that in MP... let's just say that things would definitely be broken against cerb.

The more you know...

[eye basher]

You can shoot of plates on the atlas? i always go for the cockpit the neck or the spine on the brute and anything i can hit on the banshee,prime and phantom.

[Wolfsbladex]

THE NOOBIE NOOB WHO TYPES IN CAPS wrote...

Other than Infiltrator, no-one really "suffers" from not being able to headshot bosses.
Besides they wouldn't be bosses if they had weakpoints...

"Besides they wouldn't be bosses if they had weakpoints..." The he'll videogames you been playing?

[Drummernate]

The no Prime Headshots anymore thing is such Bull$#!%...

It takes my Saber VIII like 25-40 rounds to kill one!!!

I'm sorry, but if you nerf the only effective way to kill something, at least nerf its health and shields.

[.458]

Primes and big units are intended to be like battleships, and be harder to take down. However, I really hate that we can't get head shots on swarmers! Mwuhahahha! FYI, just use the biggest gun you have. Sniper weapons are not intended to take out battleships in one shot. These are walking battleships.

Modifié par .458, 01 juin 2012 - 01:20 .

[Drummernate]

Bathaius wrote...

I miss actually aiming when I'm shooting a Geth Prime. Oh well. Now, they're just bags of HP.

Same here...

I still aim for the head hoping that one day, one of my shots will do extra damage somehow.

Old habits die hard I guess.

[omgBAMF]

eye basher wrote...

You can shoot of plates on the atlas? i always go for the cockpit the neck or the spine on the brute and anything i can hit on the banshee,prime and phantom.

Yes you can. Aim for his crotch, knees, or shoulders.  You will eventually see the plate come off and do significant damage to the atlas.

[corvette3]

Unfortunately i still go for the (actually rather difficult IMO) Prime headshots too its actually pretty hard to headshot something that can stunlock you, all the while his friends are slowly flanking closer and closer.

[xtorma]

So this is what the crying is all about.

Fixed Geth prime and harvesters taking headshot bonus damage when they shouldn’t
So this fix effects 1 unit in multiplayer.
Fixed shooting the atlas in the cockpit with a penetration weapon doing double damage
So this fix effects a few weapons and 1 equipment item on 1 unit.
Fixed the Kishock Sniper Rifle that would hit head bone (critical hit) on enemies that should not be possible, such as the Brute, Banshee and Ravager
So this effects 1 weapon

Teh Game is broken!

[omgBAMF]

xtorma wrote...

So this is what the crying is all about.

Fixed Geth prime and harvesters taking headshot bonus damage when they shouldn’t
So this fix effects 1 unit in multiplayer.

When I did my first SP playthrough with my infiltrator, I thought "these harvesters are a freaking joke! I can take these guys out in one or two cloak-shots!"

Good to know that they are supposed to be more intimidating than they actually were.

Modifié par omgBAMF, 01 juin 2012 - 01:27 .

[Star fury]

omgBAMF wrote...

Star fury wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

the only "headshots" they removed were from geth primes.  Atlas/brutes/phantoms/pyros/ravagers all still have weak spots.

All you people are acting like the only thing you can do against bosses is shoot them.  Yeah... forget bio-explosions and tech bursts, because those are completely out of the question.  Forget armor damage/debuffing powers like incinerate/most grenades/flamer/cryo blast/proxy mine/carnage/etc.... cause all those are worthless as well.

Hello! Bio removed "headshots" from atlases too. Now with their crazy 21 000 health/shields it just boring shootfest or BE spam. Very very challenging and includes tactical genius!
Also with Kishok you could headshot everything. I don't get an idea when you can't get increased damage from shooting someone's head. Or shooting into pilot's window, what you can break in SP. Yes, you can break it in singleplayer. But suddenly in MP you cannot.   

Atlas still has weak spots... but apparently you arent aware of them.  Shoot off the crotch plate/knee joints/shoulders for a damage spike.  Usually does about 2-4 bars of damage.  The idea of shooting the canopy in SP was to take the driver out and commandeer the atlas.  If you could do that in MP... let's just say that things would definitely be broken against cerb.

The more you know...

I'm aware of them. It still makes shooting long. And your previous statement remains incorrect.

[Tankcommander]

xtorma wrote...

So this is what the crying is all about.

Fixed Geth prime and harvesters taking headshot bonus damage when they shouldn’t
So this fix effects 1 unit in multiplayer.
Fixed shooting the atlas in the cockpit with a penetration weapon doing double damage
So this fix effects a few weapons and 1 equipment item on 1 unit.
Fixed the Kishock Sniper Rifle that would hit head bone (critical hit) on enemies that should not be possible, such as the Brute, Banshee and Ravager
So this effects 1 weapon

Teh Game is broken!

Small changes can make a big difference. Kishock is no longer really worth it, and bosses are now just bullet sponges.

[Xendless]

Fighting Geth is about as entertaining as fighting kitchen appliances, may as well swap the Geth Prime character model with a refrigerator on wheels if you want it clear there's no headshots.

[eye basher]

A boss is not really a boss if you can kill it in one or two hits that's just a joke.

[Star fury]

xtorma wrote...

So this is what the crying is all about.

Fixed Geth prime and harvesters taking headshot bonus damage when they shouldn’t
So this fix effects 1 unit in multiplayer.
Fixed shooting the atlas in the cockpit with a penetration weapon doing double damage
So this fix effects a few weapons and 1 equipment item on 1 unit.
Fixed the Kishock Sniper Rifle that would hit head bone (critical hit) on enemies that should not be possible, such as the Brute, Banshee and Ravager
So this effects 1 weapon

Teh Game is broken!

Yeah, we are definitely talking about regular enemy units that they are so easy to kill. It also strongly affects one of the most popular class. I like blind fanatics.

[sliverofamoon]

Lord Thornos wrote...

THE NOOBIE NOOB WHO TYPES IN CAPS wrote...

Other than Infiltrator, no-one really "suffers" from not being able to headshot bosses.
Besides they wouldn't be bosses if they had weakpoints...

Turian soldier i relied on headshots, turian sentinel I loved headshot.

and when does it become right to make the entire infilitrator class deal with being crippled

and most bosses, in every single video game throughout history are beaten by exploiting their weak spots.

Well said, Lord Thornos.