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[omgBAMF]

Star fury wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

Star fury wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

the only "headshots" they removed were from geth primes.  Atlas/brutes/phantoms/pyros/ravagers all still have weak spots.

All you people are acting like the only thing you can do against bosses is shoot them.  Yeah... forget bio-explosions and tech bursts, because those are completely out of the question.  Forget armor damage/debuffing powers like incinerate/most grenades/flamer/cryo blast/proxy mine/carnage/etc.... cause all those are worthless as well.

Hello! Bio removed "headshots" from atlases too. Now with their crazy 21 000 health/shields it just boring shootfest or BE spam. Very very challenging and includes tactical genius!
Also with Kishok you could headshot everything. I don't get an idea when you can't get increased damage from shooting someone's head. Or shooting into pilot's window, what you can break in SP. Yes, you can break it in singleplayer. But suddenly in MP you cannot.   

Atlas still has weak spots... but apparently you arent aware of them.  Shoot off the crotch plate/knee joints/shoulders for a damage spike.  Usually does about 2-4 bars of damage.  The idea of shooting the canopy in SP was to take the driver out and commandeer the atlas.  If you could do that in MP... let's just say that things would definitely be broken against cerb.

The more you know...

I'm aware of them. It still makes shooting long. And your previous statement remains incorrect.

Which part of my prev statement is incorrect, if I may ask? Atlas headshots were a glitch in the programming... all BW did was correct their game design.  Doing double crit damage was not their intention.

The point of the game is to coordinate with your team... not just sit there and do your own thing.  BEs/TBs/damage buffs/target debuffs... a little thing called teamwork, ya know?

[Crashingvanity]

eye basher wrote...

A boss is not really a boss if you can kill it in one or two hits that's just a joke.

 True, but what is the point in labelling them bosses if they litterally spawn every wave passed wave 1 and they're no more common than your average Geth. With the removal of headshot bonuses, they are nothing more than bullet sponges which basically involve you effortlessly shooting any part of their body to do the damage normally done post patch headshot.

[sliverofamoon]

I'm sure we're in for even more Biotic, and Tech nerfs, just to make every class evenly boring... errrr... "Balanced" next. And then, more weapon damage nerfs so that EVERY class is on an even playing field after that, just to **** everything up, in the name of "Balance". Yes, the almighty game-killer god... "Balance".

Let's NERF ALL THE THINGS NOW!!! and get it over with quicker.

[corvette3]

Like i said, they never died that quickly for me anyway, even with headshots. now i may as well just shoot the body and not even bother taking the extra time to aim at the head. maybe they should have LOWERED the headshot bonus instead of making it worthless, i'm thinking 100-150% would be perfectly acceptable.

[xtorma]

I haven't seen this many tears this fast since the first "ending" post hit general.

[corvette3]

xtorma wrote...

I haven't seen this many tears this fast since the first "ending" post hit general.

I hope you aren't referring to me? its just a game, no reason to cry about it, i just don't like balance becoming even more screwed up for seemingly pointless reasons.

[Star fury]

omgBAMF wrote...

Star fury wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

Star fury wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

the only "headshots" they removed were from geth primes.  Atlas/brutes/phantoms/pyros/ravagers all still have weak spots.

All you people are acting like the only thing you can do against bosses is shoot them.  Yeah... forget bio-explosions and tech bursts, because those are completely out of the question.  Forget armor damage/debuffing powers like incinerate/most grenades/flamer/cryo blast/proxy mine/carnage/etc.... cause all those are worthless as well.

Hello! Bio removed "headshots" from atlases too. Now with their crazy 21 000 health/shields it just boring shootfest or BE spam. Very very challenging and includes tactical genius!
Also with Kishok you could headshot everything. I don't get an idea when you can't get increased damage from shooting someone's head. Or shooting into pilot's window, what you can break in SP. Yes, you can break it in singleplayer. But suddenly in MP you cannot.   

Atlas still has weak spots... but apparently you arent aware of them.  Shoot off the crotch plate/knee joints/shoulders for a damage spike.  Usually does about 2-4 bars of damage.  The idea of shooting the canopy in SP was to take the driver out and commandeer the atlas.  If you could do that in MP... let's just say that things would definitely be broken against cerb.

The more you know...

I'm aware of them. It still makes shooting long. And your previous statement remains incorrect.

Which part of my prev statement is incorrect, if I may ask? Atlas headshots were a glitch in the programming... all BW did was correct their game design.  Doing double crit damage was not their intention.

The point of the game is to coordinate with your team... not just sit there and do your own thing.  BEs/TBs/damage buffs/target debuffs... a little thing called teamwork, ya know?

I highlighted it for your convenience. Sometimes reading patchnotes when talking about patch is useful. I don't see a point about "teamwork". So now team has to sit and shoot and/or spam biotics longer. So?

[Star fury]

xtorma wrote...

I haven't seen this many tears this fast since the first "ending" post hit general.

It's funny that some fanatics will defend even absolutely absurd decisions which make game worse.

[omgBAMF]

Star fury wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...
Which part of my prev statement is incorrect, if I may ask? Atlas headshots were a glitch in the programming... all BW did was correct their game design.  Doing double crit damage was not their intention.

The point of the game is to coordinate with your team... not just sit there and do your own thing.  BEs/TBs/damage buffs/target debuffs... a little thing called teamwork, ya know?

I highlighted it for your convenience. Sometimes reading patchnotes when talking about patch is useful. I don't see a point about "teamwork". So now team has to sit and shoot and/or spam biotics longer. So?

And I just highlighted the important part for you.

Also, it's not my problem if you don't like teamwork.  Examples: synergized biotics can melt any armor in seconds; a GI or TS can give target debuffs with proxy mine; HI and QE can give armor debuffs with cryo blast; etc, etc, etc. It helps to work WITH your team instead of crying that you can't do headshots against one enemy type.

Modifié par omgBAMF, 01 juin 2012 - 01:50 .

[Immortal Strife]

If we complain enough maybe they will put weaknesses on all bosses. I have never understood why there is not soft zones on the banshees and brutes. The Brute covers his head as he's walking towards you with his claw-arm, what's the point of this animation if his head can't take extra damage. I say bring back weakpoint and buff the bosses health points, this way a strategically successful battle will feel rewarding and a battle with poor shooting will feel taxing. 

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 01 juin 2012 - 03:36 .

[SkreeMalicious]

Mozts wrote...
Now, you can't kill the Prime with a Paladin so easily, so you HAVE to use real tactics.

like spamming bullets in the general direction without really aiming

[Star fury]

omgBAMF wrote...

And I just highlighted the important part for you.

Also, it's not my problem if you don't like teamwork.  Examples: synergized biotics can melt any armor in seconds; a GI or TS can give target debuffs with proxy mine; HI and QE can give armor debuffs with cryo blast; etc, etc, etc. It helps to work WITH your team instead of crying that you can't do headshots against one enemy type.

I don't like teamwork? LOL. You are damn good telepath!
I don't see a point when removing headshots from all bosses provides incentive for teamwork. You have really warped logic.

Modifié par Star fury, 01 juin 2012 - 02:08 .

[Bolo Xia]

SkreeMalicious wrote...

Mozts wrote...
Now, you can't kill the Prime with a Paladin so easily, so you HAVE to use real tactics.

like spamming bullets in the general direction without really aiming

nah man the tactics he is refering to is biotic spam. 

gotta be what he is saying since powers arent affected by headshot modifiers.

could argue incenerate/canage spam and inferno grenades since all bosses are basically armor in the end.

but i dont really see how that is tactics though

[Star fury]

Bolo Xia wrote...

nah man the tactics he is refering to is biotic spam. 

gotta be what he is saying since powers arent affected by headshot modifiers.

could argue incenerate/canage spam and inferno grenades since all bosses are basically armor in the end.

but i dont really see how that is tactics though

One asari adept can spam BE, even poor man's asari adept can do it. Very tactical.

[Jonathan Shepard]

THE NOOBIE NOOB WHO TYPES IN CAPS wrote...

Other than Infiltrator, no-one really "suffers" from not being able to headshot bosses.
Besides they wouldn't be bosses if they had weakpoints...

What about that boss Reaper at the end of Me2? I seem to recall you shot at what were literally called "Weak Points." <_<

[XXIceColdXX]

I agree OP. not as fun without the weak spots.

And I am missing my Kishoks old quirks.

[AshirahTSparkle]

Air Quotes wrote...

Primes are absolutely not balanced after the headshot removal: Let's compare the 3 heavy hitters:

1. Banshee - Closes in on you fast. Will insta-kill you. Apart from that - very slow Nova attack that you can prepare for, very slow walking while doing nothing, very slow Warp attack that tracks and can be very annoying and hard to dodge, but you can prepare for it.
2. Atlas - Moves super slow. Regular shots DON'T stun you. Fires rockets that track, but does an obvious animation before shooting, so you can prepare. Slow melee attacks that can be easily dodged. Has weakspots such as groin, knee and shoulder plates.
3. Prime. Moves faster than Atlas, EVERY shot of the pulse cannon stuns you. Spawns drones and turrets, and after each spawn, they can shoot again. So they can fire 6-9 shots depending on circumstances non-stop. Shots track you. Will shoot you from any range - close or far. Fast melee that stuns. Doesn't have to lock on you visibly like ravager or nemesis has to. NO weakspots.

And Primes spawn more in numbers than Atlases or Banshees.

Wait till the fix the combat drones on the Primes, where they start shooting rockets and flank you, now that would make Primes more deadly. At the moment, their combat drones do nothing at all.

[xtorma]

Star fury wrote...

xtorma wrote...

I haven't seen this many tears this fast since the first "ending" post hit general.

It's funny that some fanatics will defend even absolutely absurd decisions which make game worse.

I don't think it makes the game worse. I'll adjust my gameplay and it will be fine.
 
Maybe if you guys scream loud enough they will change it back, that is what you are hoping for right? It partially worked on the falcon.

Good luck to you guys, in a month and after 100,000 posts you may get your headshot bonus on 1 unit back, and your double damage(using spacific weapons and or mods/ammo powers) on another unit back, and all will be right with the universe again.

[Xaijin]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Primes are absolutely not balanced after the headshot removal: Let's compare the 3 heavy hitters:

1. Banshee - Closes in on you fast. Will insta-kill you. Apart from that - very slow Nova attack that you can prepare for, very slow walking while doing nothing, very slow Warp attack that tracks and can be very annoying and hard to dodge, but you can prepare for it.
2. Atlas - Moves super slow. Regular shots DON'T stun you. Fires rockets that track, but does an obvious animation before shooting, so you can prepare. Slow melee attacks that can be easily dodged. Has weakspots such as groin, knee and shoulder plates.
3. Prime. Moves faster than Atlas, EVERY shot of the pulse cannon stuns you. Spawns drones and turrets, and after each spawn, they can shoot again. So they can fire 6-9 shots depending on circumstances non-stop. Shots track you. Will shoot you from any range - close or far. Fast melee that stuns. Doesn't have to lock on you visibly like ravager or nemesis has to. NO weakspots.

And Primes spawn more in numbers than Atlases or Banshees.

Prime is the only enemy that had headshot removed.  Primes spawn in more numbers than the other two because of farming changes. Can't have you cake and eat it too.

Actually they removed the ****-pit damage bonus from shooting the window. Which is the weak-point in SP.

Yet the other spike points remain.

[Yajuu Omoi]

omgBAMF wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Removing headshots from bosses just made combat boring not challenging. You just shoot longer.

the only "headshots" they removed were from geth primes.  Atlas/brutes/phantoms/pyros/ravagers all still have weak spots.

All you people are acting like the only thing you can do against bosses is shoot them.  Yeah... forget bio-explosions and tech bursts, because those are completely out of the question.  Forget armor damage/debuffing powers like incinerate/most grenades/flamer/cryo blast/proxy mine/carnage/etc.... cause all those are worthless as well.

There are classes that DON'T have deBuff abilities, and there are also those that did MUCH better with a sniper before, like infils, they were MADE for headshots, and high damage counts. and now?...shotgun infils will run rampid due to the lack of headshot ability...

They may may not all have a "debuff" ability... but all have some way to fight armor.  Most commonly used powers have an evolution in their tree that make them effective against armor.  Soldiers have frag grenades/carnage/inferno grenades... adepts have BEs for starters, but also warp/reave and their grenades.... engineers have incinerate/turrets/cryo blasts... etc, etc, etc.  The list goes on and on, but if you guys want to just sit here and cry about not being able to easily hit a slow moving target with a gun... then there is nothing any of you will listen to.

I'm not crying about anything.

I simply think its a stupid idea to remove the "weakspot bonus damage" so to speak, you can still shoot off the brutes armor, but it won't reduse the defence rating anymore, the banshee? IT HAS A HEAD AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHOOT IT, the atlas...soesn't it make sense to be able to shoot plates off a machine and then shoot where they were to do extra damage?

Heck, i've THROWN the plates off a brute before with my HSe, its not just shooting, the powers can no longer hit weakpoints either.

I'm not saying shooting is the only way, just ANOTHER way.
My SI has no prox mine, only SD and a gun. so now it cannot match up with a AA spec'd for massive BE's its about balance.

[Xaijin]

Immortal Strife wrote...

If we complain enough maybe they will put weaknesses on all bosses. I have never understood why there is not soft zones on the banshees and brutes. The Brute covers his head as he's walking towards you with his claw-arm, what's the point of this animation if his head can't take extra damage. I say bring back weakpoint and buff the bosses health points, this way a strategically successful battle will feel rewarding and a battle with poor shooting will feel taxing. Bring back risk/reward he Geth Primes, incorporates strategic soft points on butes and banshees.

There was no risk in four shotting a prime. Literally none, unles you were a krogan.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Xaijin wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Primes are absolutely not balanced after the headshot removal: Let's compare the 3 heavy hitters:

1. Banshee - Closes in on you fast. Will insta-kill you. Apart from that - very slow Nova attack that you can prepare for, very slow walking while doing nothing, very slow Warp attack that tracks and can be very annoying and hard to dodge, but you can prepare for it.
2. Atlas - Moves super slow. Regular shots DON'T stun you. Fires rockets that track, but does an obvious animation before shooting, so you can prepare. Slow melee attacks that can be easily dodged. Has weakspots such as groin, knee and shoulder plates.
3. Prime. Moves faster than Atlas, EVERY shot of the pulse cannon stuns you. Spawns drones and turrets, and after each spawn, they can shoot again. So they can fire 6-9 shots depending on circumstances non-stop. Shots track you. Will shoot you from any range - close or far. Fast melee that stuns. Doesn't have to lock on you visibly like ravager or nemesis has to. NO weakspots.

And Primes spawn more in numbers than Atlases or Banshees.

Prime is the only enemy that had headshot removed.  Primes spawn in more numbers than the other two because of farming changes. Can't have you cake and eat it too.

Actually they removed the ****-pit damage bonus from shooting the window. Which is the weak-point in SP.

Yet the other spike points remain.

uh...no...you could get headshot damage on ALL enemies with a head...

makes sense huh?  has a head = headshot...no...that would NEVER make sense... <_<

That and you used to be able to shoot weakpoints  on brutes and atlas' by shoot OFF plates of armor...now...we can't. plates still come off...but no extra damage after...

[corvette3]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Star fury wrote...

xtorma wrote...

I haven't seen this many tears this fast since the first "ending" post hit general.

It's funny that some fanatics will defend even absolutely absurd decisions which make game worse.

QFT. But xtorma is just an amateur troll. He's not even good at it. Just flamebaits constantly waiting to start an argument. And then he retaliates with the most silly statements.

Honestly he should try his luck at becoming a comedian. He's about as funny as a cookie-cutter Adam Sandler film.

At least Adam Sandler films have some personality...

[Drummernate]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Star fury wrote...

xtorma wrote...

I haven't seen this many tears this fast since the first "ending" post hit general.

It's funny that some fanatics will defend even absolutely absurd decisions which make game worse.

QFT. But xtorma is just an amateur troll. He's not even good at it. Just flamebaits constantly waiting to start an argument. And then he retaliates with the most silly statements.

Honestly he should try his luck at becoming a comedian. He's about as funny as a cookie-cutter Adam Sandler film.

Wesus > xtorma.

I don't even think Wesus has to try.