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[M0keys]

anorling wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

So basically "I thought the ending was crap but I'm just a VA; WTF should I have done about it?"

I would interpret what he said to something like that yes =)
But he's right though. It isn't his job to question the writers.

healthy creative setting does = actors get to ask questions. when they do, new solutions and ideas arise that could make your story better. doesn't mean you have to take them, but an environment where actors are afraid to get in on the process is a very scary one indeed

not necessarily saying mark was scared. it could just be his view as a professional and that's okay

Modifié par M0keys, 31 mai 2012 - 09:33 .

[shepskisaac]

The Angry One wrote...

I'd actually be interested on his and Hale's thoughts on being made to voice the dialogue of the worst genocidal maniac of all history and possibly any fictional setting ever as it pathetically tries to justify it's psychotic and murderous acts.

So you will ask her about all the genocidal maniac stuff FemShep could do in the entire trilogy? Sniff sniff, I smell some Paragon bias here.

[antares_sublight]

The Angry One wrote...

Clarification. There's that word again.

Arg... "clarification" "execution" - all red herrings BioWare uses to avoid acknowledging that the very ***concept*** of the endings are flawed.

Mark Meer is in the studio simply re-recording the same ending, just slooooooowwwwwed down for us morons.

[Vubica]

Yay they are giving us even more of the stuff we didnt like!!!!!!!!!!

[xsdob]

Versidious wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

So basically "I thought the ending was crap but I'm just a VA; WTF should I have done about it?"

How can you infer that he thinks the ending was crap from that statement? I don't think you can.

Mark Meer: "I didn't personally object to the ending."
grey_wind: "Ah, obviously he hated the ending, if you read between the lines."

Seems legit.

Reading between the lines for everything is a bad idea. All it does it make you wonder why you keep flipping yourself off when you look at your hands.

[dreamgazer]

Xellith wrote...

Can you imagine that kid VA? I wouldnt like to put "did the voicework of the child at the end of Mass Effect 3" on my resume.

Are you kidding?  If a real child is involved (there very well might not be), then I think they'd be pretty damn proud to put on their resume that they're the voice behind this amount of discussion and controversy.

[Versidious]

The Angry One wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Can you imagine that kid VA? I wouldnt like to put "did the voicework of the child at the end of Mass Effect 3" on my resume.

If I was his mother I'd ground him.

At least you can ground the VA. It's a shame the Catalyst wasn't grounded. I mean, if there's anything that deserves grounding, it's genocide. He should probably also be made to mow the lawn, the little bastard.

[grey_wind]

Versidious wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

So basically "I thought the ending was crap but I'm just a VA; WTF should I have done about it?"

How can you infer that he thinks the ending was crap from that statement? I don't think you can.

Mark Meer: "I didn't personally object to the ending."
grey_wind: "Ah, obviously he hated the ending, if you read between the lines."

Seems legit.

I'm exaggerating, but unfortunately sarcasm gets lost when typing. 

[M0keys]

IsaacShep wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I'd actually be interested on his and Hale's thoughts on being made to voice the dialogue of the worst genocidal maniac of all history and possibly any fictional setting ever as it pathetically tries to justify it's psychotic and murderous acts.

So you will ask her about all the genocidal maniac stuff FemShep could do in the entire trilogy? Sniff sniff, I smell some Paragon bias here.

you're missing the point of paragon vs renegade

shepard is a good guy. pretty much always. paragon vs renegade is just a difference of attitude. one's picard, one's han solo, but they both want to beat the bad guys, and in Mass Effect 3 you have to try really hard to actually reach the "blue halo red horns" convention of video gaming. almost gotta break the universe to do it. and you can, if you really want to, but don't turn this into some kind of "conservatives vs liberals" dichotomy that's just silly

[Taboo]

dreamgazer wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Can you imagine that kid VA? I wouldnt like to put "did the voicework of the child at the end of Mass Effect 3" on my resume.

Are you kidding?  If a real child is involved (there very well might not be), then I think they'd be pretty damn proud to put on their resume that they're the voice behind this amount of discussion and controversy.

Jake Lloyd.

Young Anakin in Episode 1

thread/

[Troubleshooter11]

dreamgazer wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Can you imagine that kid VA? I wouldnt like to put "did the voicework of the child at the end of Mass Effect 3" on my resume.

Are you kidding?  If a real child is involved (there very well might not be), then I think they'd be pretty damn proud to put on their resume that they're the voice behind this amount of discussion and controversy.

Considering the fact everyone wants to shoot the damn kid in the game...might not be so healthy...

[The Angry One]

IsaacShep wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I'd actually be interested on his and Hale's thoughts on being made to voice the dialogue of the worst genocidal maniac of all history and possibly any fictional setting ever as it pathetically tries to justify it's psychotic and murderous acts.

So you will ask her about all the genocidal maniac stuff FemShep could do in the entire trilogy? Sniff sniff, I smell some Paragon bias here.

Yes, because killing a few people is directly analagous to being responsible for a quintilion deaths then lying about it and claiming you're not killing anyone and doing them all a huge favour.

Really Isaac I know you'll just argue about anything but seriously?

[dreamgazer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Can you imagine that kid VA? I wouldnt like to put "did the voicework of the child at the end of Mass Effect 3" on my resume.

Are you kidding?  If a real child is involved (there very well might not be), then I think they'd be pretty damn proud to put on their resume that they're the voice behind this amount of discussion and controversy.

Jake Lloyd.

Young Anakin in Episode 1

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Visual representation as opposed to vocal registry.  Very different ballgames.  Harder to typecast a voice.

[Kavatica]

Xellith wrote...

Can you imagine that kid VA? I wouldnt like to put "did the voicework of the child at the end of Mass Effect 3" on my resume.

Actually, the Catalyst is three voices - Jennifer Hale, Mark Meer, and I guess whoever voiced the little boy at the beginning. But I can't figure out who that was...anyone know?

[shepskisaac]

M0keys wrote...

shepard is a good guy.

No. Replay ME1 as a Renagde and then say "ohh he's just Han Solo"

The Angry One wrote...

Really Isaac I know you'll just argue about anything but seriously?

"Argue about anything". This should sound familir to you :lol:

Modifié par IsaacShep, 31 mai 2012 - 09:39 .

[Kunari801]

Although Meer has been with the franchise every step of the way, he has yet to play Mass Effect 3 and experience its original ending from a player's perspective.

"I'm still waiting for a chance to sit down with the third game," he told us, after telling us he's played both ME1 and 2 on Paragon and Renegade playthroughs. "I tend to like at least an 8- to 12-hour window of free time for playing RPGs, and those have NOT been common lately. Soon, I hope."

So he hasn't even experienced the endings yet. I wonder if his opinion will change when he does.

Modifié par Kunari801, 31 mai 2012 - 09:41 .

[M0keys]

dreamgazer wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Can you imagine that kid VA? I wouldnt like to put "did the voicework of the child at the end of Mass Effect 3" on my resume.

Are you kidding?  If a real child is involved (there very well might not be), then I think they'd be pretty damn proud to put on their resume that they're the voice behind this amount of discussion and controversy.

Jake Lloyd.

Young Anakin in Episode 1

thread/

Visual representation as opposed to vocal registry.  Very different ballgames.  Harder to typecast a voice.

dude, the world would've rejected poor jake lloyd if episode 1 was a radio serial

[M0keys]

IsaacShep wrote...

M0keys wrote...

shepard is a good guy.

No. Replay ME1 as a Renagde and then say "ohh he's just Han Solo"

he's just han solo. you really don't remember how much of a rogue han solo was in new hope, do you? didn't care about anyone but himself, shot first, asked questions later... still fought the empire because they were going to kill/enslave everyone.

very much han solo. have to push Shepard to make him evil.

[Saberchic]

xsdob wrote...

*snip*

Reading between the lines for everything is a bad idea. All it does it make you wonder why you keep flipping yourself off when you look at your hands.

[Versidious]

M0keys wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I'd actually be interested on his and Hale's thoughts on being made to voice the dialogue of the worst genocidal maniac of all history and possibly any fictional setting ever as it pathetically tries to justify it's psychotic and murderous acts.

So you will ask her about all the genocidal maniac stuff FemShep could do in the entire trilogy? Sniff sniff, I smell some Paragon bias here.

you're missing the point of paragon vs renegade

shepard is a good guy. pretty much always. paragon vs renegade is just a difference of attitude. one's picard, one's han solo, but they both want to beat the bad guys, and in Mass Effect 3 you have to try really hard to actually reach the "blue halo red horns" convention of video gaming. almost gotta break the universe to do it. and you can, if you really want to, but don't turn this into some kind of "conservatives vs liberals" dichotomy that's just silly

Han Solo wasn't quite psychotic enough to be Renegade...  But you're right, Paragon-Renegade is more of a Murtaugh-Riggs/Buben-Blasto thing than a Skywalker-Vader one. It bugs me that a lot of fans think of it as Good vs Evil...

[The Angry One]

Versidious wrote...

Han Solo wasn't quite psychotic enough to be Renegade...  But you're right, Paragon-Renegade is more of a Murtaugh-Riggs/Buben-Blasto thing than a Skywalker-Vader one. It bugs me that a lot of fans think of it as Good vs Evil...

Well, the Sith Lord face starting in ME2 and the "psycho Shepard" stuff in ME3 doesn't help with that, to be fair.
Still, even if Shepard was completely evil it still wouldn't compare to the worst mass murderer off all time sugar-coating it's acts of murder, mutilation and mayhem.

[shepskisaac]

M0keys wrote...

he's just han solo. you really don't remember how much of a rogue han solo was in new hope, do you? didn't care about anyone but himself, shot first, asked questions later... still fought the empire because they were going to kill/enslave everyone.

very much han solo. have to push Shepard to make him evil.

And when did Han Solo commit genocide, or killed the Council in cold blood and was damn proud of it, or didn't use Anti-Thorian Gas on purpouse, could be downright racist, a total dick, etc etc?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 31 mai 2012 - 09:44 .

[M0keys]

I'll admit han solo probably isn't perfect... renegade shepard is actually slightly crazier because you can just have him outright dismiss the entire universe's expectations of you and punch out everyone and generally have a good time, and only get forced to fight because, well, these guys are gonna try to eat me alive one of these days, better pack a gun.

but if you try to play it mostly realistically, that's what it is. han solo wasn't evil, he just had different methods than obi-wan or luke or picard.

and then you have a nice james t kirk type attitude right in the center if you play it really even handedly.

[Han Shot First]

The Angry One wrote...

Clarification. There's that word again.

I hate it.

It drips with arrogance. To be clear I'm not accusing Meer of that, but rather Bioware/EA.

"Oh, our fans don't like the amazing ending we crafted? They clearly don't understand the level of genius writing and artistic integrity involved. Lets create DLC that explains it to these simpletons."

[Versidious]

IsaacShep wrote...

M0keys wrote...

shepard is a good guy.

No. Replay ME1 as a Renagde and then say "ohh he's just Han Solo"

Absolutely. ME1 Renegade was hard going sometimes. The fatal double crossing of Gianna on Noveria; Gunning down all the Feros colonists; Committing genocide by bathing a sentient being in acid whilst it's still alive and screaming. Telling Tali to stick it up her arse, she's not getting the data to help her people; Shooting Wrex in his face/Getting Ash to shoot Wrex in the back...  ME2 Renegade was really easy to play, comparatively.