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Taboo-XX wrote...

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Semantics.


No it isn't.

An interpretation is not the same as a Theory.

Did you know that if you speak Yiddish you're a semantic semitic?


But you're arguing a moot point so you can feel like you aren't wrong. The indoctrination interpretation stands.


Calling it a theory is wrong. Claiming you have evidence is wrong.

That isn't what an interpretation is.


When thousands of people interpret it the same way..... It's ok.... I know it's hard for you to see things from another perspective.

Modifié par balance5050, 01 juin 2012 - 02:15 .


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eddieoctane wrote...

*Snip*

Luckily, I did my recording BEFORE I stayed awake performing for 50 straight hours... Shepard might have sounded more like a Vorcha."


Amusingly enough Meer voiced the Vorcha in ME2... \\o/

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Clarification...

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Clarification is all you guys ever see.

You saw the OTHER words in the statement yes?

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Mark Meer said...

"Actually, I have had a couple of DLC recording sessions thus far - one
was done while I was in England for the most recent London Improvathon.


So am I reading this right? Are they improving Priority : Earth?


Edit: Thanks for the clarification, wow that was dumb of me.

Modifié par Prosarian, 01 juin 2012 - 03:09 .


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Prosarian wrote...

Mark Meer said...

"Actually, I have had a couple of DLC recording sessions thus far - one
was done while I was in England for the most recent London Improvathon.


So am I reading this right? Are they improving Priority : Earth?


No. No. No. NO.

Improv theater is what he's talking about.

You improvise scenes and such. He was in LONDON doing it.

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Poor guy, his name will be associated with this lumbering **** pile forever.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Clarification is all you guys ever see.

You saw the OTHER words in the statement yes?


I like how Ray Muzyka said to "do your research" in reference to the ending.

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balance5050 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Clarification is all you guys ever see.

You saw the OTHER words in the statement yes?


I like how Ray Muzyka said to "do your research" in reference to the ending.


My other favorite part was that it came from Ray Muzyka.

He has no involvement in the development team. He was sent to try and calm people. All he did was ****** them off and look incredibly foolish in the process.

The artist will never defeat the angry mob once it's angry enough. Ray is just another brick in the wall as far as I'm concerned.

What matters is what is in the Extended Cut, not what PR moves Bioware attempts to calm people with.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

What matters is what is in the Extended Cut, not what PR moves Bioware attempts to calm people with.


Correct.

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balance5050 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

What matters is what is in the Extended Cut, not what PR moves Bioware attempts to calm people with.


Correct.


If there is ANYTHING I must stress (I apologize for being so blunt all the time) don't ever take PR at face value. It's an incredibly dumb way of trying to calm people down. It almost never works. All it does is make you look like a jackass.

Hudson did it first, then Muzyka and then the EC. I'm not surprised people went ape over this. Bioware is probably the worst example of PR I've ever seen. They just make it worse and worse and worse.

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balance5050 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Clarification is all you guys ever see.

You saw the OTHER words in the statement yes?


I like how Ray Muzyka said to "do your research" in reference to the ending.


He was saying that in refrence of people who have not yet played the game. He was telling them play the game and find out for themselves if they like it or not.

"I urge you to do your own research: play the game, finish it"

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 01 juin 2012 - 03:18 .


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balance5050 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Semantics.


No it isn't.

An interpretation is not the same as a Theory.

Did you know that if you speak Yiddish you're a semantic semitic?


But you're arguing a moot point so you can feel like you aren't wrong. The indoctrination interpretation stands.


Calling it a theory is wrong. Claiming you have evidence is wrong.

That isn't what an interpretation is.


When thousands of people interpret it the same way..... It's ok.... I know it's hard for you to see things from another perspective.


This is one of the rare occasions where I'm going to fully agree with an indoctrination-centered post from Taboo-XX: there are two sides, the theory and the interpretation.  

The theory is built around digital clues and a projection of what BioWare has planned, while the interpretation involves taking devices in the game proper and seeing them as indoctrination symptoms.  I also interpret items in Mass Effect 3 as surreal components that have appeared in other genres of film and video games, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're applicable to the theory.  Interpreting the surreal is not automatically interpreting them as applicable to IT. I'm in the gray area. Yes, it's lonely.

Seeing liquid-like shadows in the dreams is interpreted as a symptom, since you can take the "oily shadow" description in the codex and point-blank apply it to what you see.  It's not, however, necessarily evidence of the "theory". 

They're "independent", even if one relies on the other to be accurate.  I currently support one and am heavily skeptical of the full implications of the other---and I feel that BioWare could very easily write (WROTE) a cutscene-only extension of the ending that ties it all together, retaining the original intentions of the endings and delivering a "variation" of the theory.  They may have even had the extra clarification planned, just as the theory asserts, and wanted to create a space of speculation for a few months so that people could debate the moral implications.  It doesn't mean that we're going to get a whole new ballgame at the point where Shepard wakes up.

Some of the components, unfortunately, criss-cross---such as Shepard's bleeding wound on the Citadel.  It's there where the frustration and insults start flying, and why non-combative folks like myself get pushed to the edge once more exuberant posters start framing those who see something different and interpretive as "seeing things that aren't there" and "arrogant".  That's where rational people start to consider walking awat from this mess, even if they want to just talk about what they're seeing.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 01 juin 2012 - 03:20 .


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I have no problem with people choose to interpret the ending as Indoctrination. What I don't like is it being called a theory.

It is YOUR right to interpret as you choose. I can't take that away from you.

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Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Clarification is all you guys ever see.

You saw the OTHER words in the statement yes?


I like how Ray Muzyka said to "do your research" in reference to the ending.


He was saying that in refrence of people who have not yet played the game. He was telling them play the game and find out for themselves if they like it or not.


:blink::pinched::lol:

No one would even care about that statement unless they played the game. It was "to Mass Effect 3 players", says so right at the top.

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/ 

 

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Prosarian wrote...

Mark Meer said...

"Actually, I have had a couple of DLC recording sessions thus far - one
was done while I was in England for the most recent London Improvathon.


So am I reading this right? Are they improving Priority : Earth?


No. No. No. NO.

Improv theater is what he's talking about.

You improvise scenes and such. He was in LONDON doing it.


Oh wow, I'm so lucky I came across this exchange AFTER swallowing my drink.

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And yeah, PR really is one giant web of semantics to interpret and reinterpret. Nothing, not one damn thing, should be taken at face-value. They're moving towards something big, though: NDAs all around and the enigmatic silence points to it.

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I still want to know why the reporter referred to the EC DLC as an 'expansion'... Expansions include gameplay... I find it odd that the reporter would use that word at all...

Modifié par Hihoshi101, 01 juin 2012 - 03:26 .


#194
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dreamgazer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Semantics.


No it isn't.

An interpretation is not the same as a Theory.

Did you know that if you speak Yiddish you're a semantic semitic?


But you're arguing a moot point so you can feel like you aren't wrong. The indoctrination interpretation stands.


Calling it a theory is wrong. Claiming you have evidence is wrong.

That isn't what an interpretation is.


When thousands of people interpret it the same way..... It's ok.... I know it's hard for you to see things from another perspective.


This is one of the rare occasions where I'm going to fully agree with an indoctrination-centered post from Taboo-XX: there are two sides, the theory and the interpretation.  

The theory is built around digital clues and a projection of what BioWare has planned, while the interpretation involves taking devices in the game proper and seeing them as indoctrination symptoms.  I also interpret items in Mass Effect 3 as surreal components that have appeared in other genres of film and video games, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're applicable to the theory.  Interpreting the surreal is not automatically interpreting them as applicable to IT. I'm in the gray area. Yes, it's lonely.

Seeing liquid-like shadows in the dreams is interpreted as a symptom, since you can take the "oily shadow" description in the codex and point-blank apply it to what you see.  It's not, however, necessarily evidence of the "theory". 

They're "independent", even if one relies on the other to be accurate.  I currently support one and am heavily skeptical of the full implications of the other---and I feel that BioWare could very easily write (WROTE) a cutscene-only extension of the ending that ties it all together, retaining the original intentions of the endings and delivering a "variation" of the theory.  They may have even had the extra clarification planned, just as the theory asserts, and wanted to create a space of speculation for a few months so that people could debate the moral implications.  It doesn't mean that we're going to get a whole new ballgame at the point where Shepard wakes up.

Some of the components, unfortunately, criss-cross---such as Shepard's bleeding wound on the Citadel.  It's there where the frustration and insults start flying, and why non-combative folks like myself get pushed to the edge once more exuberant posters start framing those who see something different and interpretive as "seeing things that aren't there" and "arrogant".  That's where rational people start to consider walking awat from this mess, even if they want to just talk about what they're seeing.


My whole point was that whether you want to call it a theory or an interpretation, I don't care, it hasn't been debunked and is still legit and could remain so after the EC.

Modifié par balance5050, 01 juin 2012 - 03:28 .


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balance5050 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Clarification is all you guys ever see.

You saw the OTHER words in the statement yes?


I like how Ray Muzyka said to "do your research" in reference to the ending.


He was saying that in refrence of people who have not yet played the game. He was telling them play the game and find out for themselves if they like it or not.


:blink::pinched::lol:

No one would even care about that statement unless they played the game. It was "to Mass Effect 3 players", says so right at the top.

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/ 

 


"I urge you to do your own research: play the game, finish it"

Everyone upset over the ending already finished the game so he was addressing those who had not yet played or beat the game. 

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Xellith wrote...

Can you imagine that kid VA? I wouldnt like to put "did the voicework of the child at the end of Mass Effect 3" on my resume.


I was wondering how much was paid for his lines...

Maybe 30 silver coins?

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balance5050 wrote...

My whole point was that whether you want to call it a theory or an interpretation, I don't care, it hasn't been debunked and is still legit and could remain so after the EC.


True, and it hasn't been debunked.  

However, just because one might not pan out, it doesn't mean the other will disappear along with it. 

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IsaacShep wrote...

Hopefully now people will stop questioning whether Mark & Jennifer will return for EC


I for one demand Jennifer Hale come to my house or place of employment and tell me she returns for EC!

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grey_wind wrote...

So basically "I thought the ending was crap but I'm just a VA; WTF should I have done about it?"


No, basically he isn't giving his opinion about the ending, as he shouldn't because it's bad for his career.  Would you bad mouth your boss if it meant no one else would hire you because of it?  That's what would happen to a voice actor of Mark Meer or Jennifer Hale caliber.  He may hate it but he won't tell us, at least not while he still has the chance to work with Bioware for future voice work.

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anorling wrote...

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So basically "I thought the ending was crap but I'm just a VA; WTF should I have done about it?"


I would interpret what he said to something like that yes =)
But he's right though. It isn't his job to question the writers.

Horse hockey, it's ALWAYS the job of a VA to question the writers where possible. Sometimes you can get a better idea of what the character would do than they have, and a little brief discussion turns into a vast improvement on a scene. :happy:

Just not after the job is done and you're out of the soundbooth, and talking publicly. Important distinction there.