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[AlanC9]

Its average is about as good as any other encyclopedia.

[Reznore57]

I agree with there 's a lot of company doing it and it have some pros.
But it have some cons as well.
The music industry is a shining example , with big record company buying all the small ones ...A lot of artist that had started in a medium record company , find themselves dealing with brand new people.
With things like "look , you're forty now , You're a woman , your carreer is over , we won't make you another contract."
I'm not saying everything is evil ...but when you deal with people that mostly speak money , the famous "artistic integrity " suffers a lot.
Now again I don't know what EA ask of Bioware and what Bioware wants.
I mean if Bioware considers EA a mean to fund the games they want to create it's fine.
But the example of DA2 or ME3 (and not just the ending ) is worrying.
I mean , nothing is perfect , but when something is rushed , it feels.
Same with day one DLC , specially when the content is already on the disc.Or Forced multiplayer to achieve a perfect single playthrough.Multiplayer that can lead to buy Bioware points .
Polls like what do you like to see in Dragon Age Universe , when i read a mod saying it could take place in a Facebook game , I'm sorry but I'm upset.
Facebook is a great way to make publicity , but not really something to put some good game on.

[Stalin Riding a Krogan]

Tazzmission wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

katamuro wrote...

Yes EA is a culprit. And not just for bioware. The new mmo by funcom "The secret world" is also less than usual standard by funcom. EA literally milks the game companies it owns until there is nothing left and then discards them.

i love how people bash ea with no form of evidence.

Not just no evidence, but clear evidence to the contrary. Wikipedia claims that of the current studios:

EA Canada, acquired in 1991 (21 years as an EA studio)
EA LA, acquired in 2000 (12 years as an EA studio)
EA Tiburon, acquired in 1998 (14 years as an EA studio)

Of the defunct studios:

Origin Systems was an EA studio for 12 years before closing
Bullfrog merged with EA UK
Maxis was folded into EA Redwood Shores
Westwood merged with EA LA

And those are just the acquisitions. That doesn't include the in-house studios that have closed. It seems more like a company occasionally restructuring in order to better do business. And really, media companies do this all the time. Look to the major motion picture studios or comic book companies, record labels, book publishers, etc. It is quite literally business as usual.

No one likes to think of their favourite game developer closing up shop, but entertainment companies aren't forever, no company is. Companies come and go, new companies get formed from the ashes of old, and smaller companies are acquired by larger companies.

So if you're going to dislike EA, at least try to use factual evidence to do it like "I don't like how Origin works" or "EA used to treat their employees poorly." And yes, you can even say things like "It seems like BioWare has gone downhill recently." That's fine, but outright bashing, name-calling, and conspiracy theories are not welcome in this discussion.

Thank you.

agreed and besides wikipedia is full of bs anyways


my aunt went there a few years back to get info on breast cancer and they gave her the wrong info

ever since that ive learned wikipedia is full of liars really

Instead of, y'know, going to a doctor?

Your aunt is a genius.

[Emzamination]

Stalin Riding a Krogan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

katamuro wrote...

Yes EA is a culprit. And not just for bioware. The new mmo by funcom "The secret world" is also less than usual standard by funcom. EA literally milks the game companies it owns until there is nothing left and then discards them.

i love how people bash ea with no form of evidence.

Not just no evidence, but clear evidence to the contrary. Wikipedia claims that of the current studios:

EA Canada, acquired in 1991 (21 years as an EA studio)
EA LA, acquired in 2000 (12 years as an EA studio)
EA Tiburon, acquired in 1998 (14 years as an EA studio)

Of the defunct studios:

Origin Systems was an EA studio for 12 years before closing
Bullfrog merged with EA UK
Maxis was folded into EA Redwood Shores
Westwood merged with EA LA

And those are just the acquisitions. That doesn't include the in-house studios that have closed. It seems more like a company occasionally restructuring in order to better do business. And really, media companies do this all the time. Look to the major motion picture studios or comic book companies, record labels, book publishers, etc. It is quite literally business as usual.

No one likes to think of their favourite game developer closing up shop, but entertainment companies aren't forever, no company is. Companies come and go, new companies get formed from the ashes of old, and smaller companies are acquired by larger companies.

So if you're going to dislike EA, at least try to use factual evidence to do it like "I don't like how Origin works" or "EA used to treat their employees poorly." And yes, you can even say things like "It seems like BioWare has gone downhill recently." That's fine, but outright bashing, name-calling, and conspiracy theories are not welcome in this discussion.

Thank you.

agreed and besides wikipedia is full of bs anyways


my aunt went there a few years back to get info on breast cancer and they gave her the wrong info

ever since that ive learned wikipedia is full of liars really

Instead of, y'know, going to a doctor?

Your aunt is a genius.

There is nothing wrong with her trying to do some personal research on her condition.Your tone is uncalled for.

[RocketManSR2]

diggisaur wrote...

I often wonder if Mass Effect 3 would have ended differently if Microsoft Studios was still the publisher.

I try not to think about it. 

[Tazzmission]

Emzamination wrote...

Stalin Riding a Krogan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

katamuro wrote...

Yes EA is a culprit. And not just for bioware. The new mmo by funcom "The secret world" is also less than usual standard by funcom. EA literally milks the game companies it owns until there is nothing left and then discards them.

i love how people bash ea with no form of evidence.

Not just no evidence, but clear evidence to the contrary. Wikipedia claims that of the current studios:

EA Canada, acquired in 1991 (21 years as an EA studio)
EA LA, acquired in 2000 (12 years as an EA studio)
EA Tiburon, acquired in 1998 (14 years as an EA studio)

Of the defunct studios:

Origin Systems was an EA studio for 12 years before closing
Bullfrog merged with EA UK
Maxis was folded into EA Redwood Shores
Westwood merged with EA LA

And those are just the acquisitions. That doesn't include the in-house studios that have closed. It seems more like a company occasionally restructuring in order to better do business. And really, media companies do this all the time. Look to the major motion picture studios or comic book companies, record labels, book publishers, etc. It is quite literally business as usual.

No one likes to think of their favourite game developer closing up shop, but entertainment companies aren't forever, no company is. Companies come and go, new companies get formed from the ashes of old, and smaller companies are acquired by larger companies.

So if you're going to dislike EA, at least try to use factual evidence to do it like "I don't like how Origin works" or "EA used to treat their employees poorly." And yes, you can even say things like "It seems like BioWare has gone downhill recently." That's fine, but outright bashing, name-calling, and conspiracy theories are not welcome in this discussion.

Thank you.

agreed and besides wikipedia is full of bs anyways


my aunt went there a few years back to get info on breast cancer and they gave her the wrong info

ever since that ive learned wikipedia is full of liars really

Instead of, y'know, going to a doctor?

Your aunt is a genius.

There is nothing wrong with her trying to do some personal research on her condition.Your tone is uncalled for.

eh his comment didnt bug me hes nothing important

Modifié par Tazzmission, 02 juin 2012 - 11:53 .

[IBPROFEN]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

katamuro wrote...

Yes EA is a culprit. And not just for bioware. The new mmo by funcom "The secret world" is also less than usual standard by funcom. EA literally milks the game companies it owns until there is nothing left and then discards them.

i love how people bash ea with no form of evidence.

Not just no evidence, but clear evidence to the contrary. Wikipedia claims that of the current studios:

EA Canada, acquired in 1991 (21 years as an EA studio)
EA LA, acquired in 2000 (12 years as an EA studio)
EA Tiburon, acquired in 1998 (14 years as an EA studio)

Of the defunct studios:

Origin Systems was an EA studio for 12 years before closing
Bullfrog merged with EA UK
Maxis was folded into EA Redwood Shores
Westwood merged with EA LA

And those are just the acquisitions. That doesn't include the in-house studios that have closed. It seems more like a company occasionally restructuring in order to better do business. And really, media companies do this all the time. Look to the major motion picture studios or comic book companies, record labels, book publishers, etc. It is quite literally business as usual.

No one likes to think of their favourite game developer closing up shop, but entertainment companies aren't forever, no company is. Companies come and go, new companies get formed from the ashes of old, and smaller companies are acquired by larger companies.

So if you're going to dislike EA, at least try to use factual evidence to do it like "I don't like how Origin works" or "EA used to treat their employees poorly." And yes, you can even say things like "It seems like BioWare has gone downhill recently." That's fine, but outright bashing, name-calling, and conspiracy theories are not welcome in this discussion.

Thank you.

 Well Mr. Woo What did EA do with Novalogic/Novaworld after their take over?

[Sylvius the Mad]

Ninja Stan wrote...

"It seems like BioWare has gone downhill recently."

I choose not to pursue it, but the comedy available in that quote makes me grin.

[Tazzmission]

IBPROFEN wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

katamuro wrote...

Yes EA is a culprit. And not just for bioware. The new mmo by funcom "The secret world" is also less than usual standard by funcom. EA literally milks the game companies it owns until there is nothing left and then discards them.

i love how people bash ea with no form of evidence.

Not just no evidence, but clear evidence to the contrary. Wikipedia claims that of the current studios:

EA Canada, acquired in 1991 (21 years as an EA studio)
EA LA, acquired in 2000 (12 years as an EA studio)
EA Tiburon, acquired in 1998 (14 years as an EA studio)

Of the defunct studios:

Origin Systems was an EA studio for 12 years before closing
Bullfrog merged with EA UK
Maxis was folded into EA Redwood Shores
Westwood merged with EA LA

And those are just the acquisitions. That doesn't include the in-house studios that have closed. It seems more like a company occasionally restructuring in order to better do business. And really, media companies do this all the time. Look to the major motion picture studios or comic book companies, record labels, book publishers, etc. It is quite literally business as usual.

No one likes to think of their favourite game developer closing up shop, but entertainment companies aren't forever, no company is. Companies come and go, new companies get formed from the ashes of old, and smaller companies are acquired by larger companies.

So if you're going to dislike EA, at least try to use factual evidence to do it like "I don't like how Origin works" or "EA used to treat their employees poorly." And yes, you can even say things like "It seems like BioWare has gone downhill recently." That's fine, but outright bashing, name-calling, and conspiracy theories are not welcome in this discussion.

Thank you.

 Well Mr. Woo What did EA do with Novalogic/Novaworld after their take over?

and again how can you say ea is at fault? how can you be sure bioware wouldnt have done the same if they stayed with microsoft?

[Tazzmission]

slyguy200 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

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and again how can you say ea is at fault? how can you be sure bioware wouldnt have done the same if they stayed with microsoft?

BW was doing seemingly fine and game quality was great, ME2 was a noticable decline but it was no big deal. Then ther was DA2...

It would either way be an amazing coincidence for this to happen the same way so many times with so many different game devs and stuff.

again how can you be so sure? do you sit in meetings with them or are you a fly on a wall inside microsoft?


honestly imo i really wonder how the series wouldve turned out if they didnt listen to fan feedback because if anyone broke the franchise its the fans

big whoop people wanted mp and who are you to say they shouldnt have an oppinion in the discussion?

i admit i was against mp being in but it turned out better than i thought and if you think about it it still gave you the player 50 hours of sp

are you and every other whiney fan going to trash on every game thats under the ea banner damn well knowing there are differnet branches and teams now?


i see bs excuses like boohoo they want the cod route when they havent

i see bs comments like they lied wich imo i dont think they did but they did try to save some things as a suprise

i have a really hard time believing ea would pay so much money to buy out a developer and deliberatley force them to be bad


its crap like that wich basicly makes me ashamed to be a mass effect fan and gamer

you want a real company to boycott? boycott capcome and activision


when bioware starts releasing on disc dlc for 20 bucks a pop then hey ill join you in the fight but you have to understand bioware isnt the soul only developer to do things when it comes to bugging the fan base


i wouldnt be suprised if 50% of the fanbasei s saying the garbage they say because its the current hot thing to do online and a few posters on there very board admitted that so just like occupy wallstreet a few posters have no clue what they are crabbing about

Modifié par Tazzmission, 03 juin 2012 - 04:09 .

[Gatt9]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

katamuro wrote...

Yes EA is a culprit. And not just for bioware. The new mmo by funcom "The secret world" is also less than usual standard by funcom. EA literally milks the game companies it owns until there is nothing left and then discards them.

i love how people bash ea with no form of evidence.

Not just no evidence, but clear evidence to the contrary. Wikipedia claims that of the current studios:

EA Canada, acquired in 1991 (21 years as an EA studio)
EA LA, acquired in 2000 (12 years as an EA studio)
EA Tiburon, acquired in 1998 (14 years as an EA studio)

Of the defunct studios:

Origin Systems was an EA studio for 12 years before closing
Bullfrog merged with EA UK
Maxis was folded into EA Redwood Shores
Westwood merged with EA LA

And those are just the acquisitions. That doesn't include the in-house studios that have closed. It seems more like a company occasionally restructuring in order to better do business. And really, media companies do this all the time. Look to the major motion picture studios or comic book companies, record labels, book publishers, etc. It is quite literally business as usual.

No one likes to think of their favourite game developer closing up shop, but entertainment companies aren't forever, no company is. Companies come and go, new companies get formed from the ashes of old, and smaller companies are acquired by larger companies.

So if you're going to dislike EA, at least try to use factual evidence to do it like "I don't like how Origin works" or "EA used to treat their employees poorly." And yes, you can even say things like "It seems like BioWare has gone downhill recently." That's fine, but outright bashing, name-calling, and conspiracy theories are not welcome in this discussion.

Thank you.

You're being extremely disingenious again.

How about we try looking at your evidence with all of the information instead of the small part you wanted to use to defend EA?

Origins,  closed after EA forced a major shift in design in Ultima and shoved the last game out before it was done.

Bullfrog,  closed after EA forced them to make watered down "Sequels" to their popular products,  which predictably didn't sell well.

Maxis,  folded in after EA forced them to make endless versions of The Sims,  along with at least one failed MMO.

Westwood,  folded after EA forced them to make an MMORPG that failed.

In each instance,  it wasn't "Restructuring",  it was the product of EA's poor vision,  poor management,  and inability to let the creative process work that ultimately ended up causing each of those to collapse.

There's absolutely nothing different here with Bioware than what happened to each of those studios.  Rushed "Streamlined" sequels to their popular products that meet with customer disappointment and derision,  and EA apparently not permitting them to do anything but keep making the same couple of games.

Quite honestly,  if you can't see the parallels,  then I respectfully suggest you are way too invested in the subject to see clearly.  This is EA's "Buisness as usual",  make mass-market versions of once-great games that initially sell on brand loyalty,  until you disgust the consumers,  then fold the studio and go find another one to cannibalize.

@whoever defended DA2 with consoles.

Consoles aren't the "Be all end all" of gaming.  Not everything needs to be made for consoles.  DAO was a PC platform game.  There was absolutely no reason at all to do that.  Truth is,  all they're doing is alienating more and more gamers with this mentality,  while supporting a market that's dropping massive double digit percentages every month.  The current console-centric philosophy is now on track to make about the same revenues as 2006,  which is absolutely abyssmal.

The current philosophy about console game design (Read ultra-streamlined),  and that everything should be designed for a console is well on track to collapse the industry.  Doubt me?  Read the NPD reports for each month since 2010.  Or at least the ones for 2012.

[Tazzmission]

slyguy200 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

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and again how can you say ea is at fault? how can you be sure bioware wouldnt have done the same if they stayed with microsoft?

BW was doing seemingly fine and game quality was great, ME2 was a noticable decline but it was no big deal. Then ther was DA2...

It would either way be an amazing coincidence for this to happen the same way so many times with so many different game devs and stuff.

again how can you be so sure? do you sit in meetings with them or are you a fly on a wall inside microsoft?


honestly imo i really wonder how the series wouldve turned out if they didnt listen to fan feedback because if anyone broke the franchise its the fans

big whoop people wanted mp and who are you to say they shouldnt have an oppinion in the discussion?

i admit i was against mp being in but it turned out better than i thought and if you think about it it still gave you the player 50 hours of sp

are you and every other whiney fan going to trash on every game thats under the ea banner damn well knowing there are differnet branches and teams now?


i see bs excuses like boohoo they want the cod route when they havent

i see bs comments like they lied wich imo i dont think they did but they did try to save some things as a suprise

i have a really hard time believing ea would pay so much money to buy out a developer and deliberatley force them to be bad


its crap like that wich basicly makes me ashamed to be a mass effect fan and gamer

you want a real company to boycott? boycott capcome and activision


when bioware starts releasing on disc dlc for 20 bucks a pop then hey ill join you in the fight but you have to understand bioware isnt the soul only developer to do things when it comes to bugging the fan base


i wouldnt be suprised if 50% of the fanbasei s saying the garbage they say because its the current hot thing to do online and a few posters on there very board admitted that so just like occupy wallstreet a few posters have no clue what they are crabbing about

All of these quality drops happened after EA's intervention/interference, that's good enough for me. I play alot of microsoft related games, and they seem to work out pretty well, they don't interfere with a studio's processes or put strict deadlines, etc.

I disagree with your opinion, if not for fan feedback ME would be in far worse condition than it is now.

People wanted real multiplayer, not horde mode. It is good to play but far from original or what was asked for.

Not me, I buy good games, if EA makes one then i will get it. Simple.

They dumbed it down in ME3, there is no getting around that. They lied.

They did not force them to be bad, they just kinda took a route that made it happen. Tried to do things with the games that shouldn't have been done. They tried to expand the games audience but sacrificed quality to do it.

 I have no interest in capcom, and activision makes good games and lives up to what i expect them to do.

Actually i think that some of the DLC was on the disc.

Hot thing to do online, you say? Yet many of those with similar beliefs to you say that the majority remains silent because they have no knowledge of this conflict...

again provide a source that confirms your claim otherwise your argument is invalid

can you honestly turn back time to when bioware was under ms? no you cant so quit pretending that you know every thing

[Tazzmission]

slyguy200 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

...
and again how can you say ea is at fault? how can you be sure bioware wouldnt have done the same if they stayed with microsoft?

BW was doing seemingly fine and game quality was great, ME2 was a noticable decline but it was no big deal. Then ther was DA2...

It would either way be an amazing coincidence for this to happen the same way so many times with so many different game devs and stuff.

again how can you be so sure? do you sit in meetings with them or are you a fly on a wall inside microsoft?


honestly imo i really wonder how the series wouldve turned out if they didnt listen to fan feedback because if anyone broke the franchise its the fans

big whoop people wanted mp and who are you to say they shouldnt have an oppinion in the discussion?

i admit i was against mp being in but it turned out better than i thought and if you think about it it still gave you the player 50 hours of sp

are you and every other whiney fan going to trash on every game thats under the ea banner damn well knowing there are differnet branches and teams now?


i see bs excuses like boohoo they want the cod route when they havent

i see bs comments like they lied wich imo i dont think they did but they did try to save some things as a suprise

i have a really hard time believing ea would pay so much money to buy out a developer and deliberatley force them to be bad


its crap like that wich basicly makes me ashamed to be a mass effect fan and gamer

you want a real company to boycott? boycott capcome and activision


when bioware starts releasing on disc dlc for 20 bucks a pop then hey ill join you in the fight but you have to understand bioware isnt the soul only developer to do things when it comes to bugging the fan base


i wouldnt be suprised if 50% of the fanbasei s saying the garbage they say because its the current hot thing to do online and a few posters on there very board admitted that so just like occupy wallstreet a few posters have no clue what they are crabbing about

All of these quality drops happened after EA's intervention/interference, that's good enough for me. I play alot of microsoft related games, and they seem to work out pretty well, they don't interfere with a studio's processes or put strict deadlines, etc.

I disagree with your opinion, if not for fan feedback ME would be in far worse condition than it is now.

People wanted real multiplayer, not horde mode. It is good to play but far from original or what was asked for.

Not me, I buy good games, if EA makes one then i will get it. Simple.

They dumbed it down in ME3, there is no getting around that. They lied.

They did not force them to be bad, they just kinda took a route that made it happen. Tried to do things with the games that shouldn't have been done. They tried to expand the games audience but sacrificed quality to do it.

 I have no interest in capcom, and activision makes good games and lives up to what i expect them to do.

Actually i think that some of the DLC was on the disc.

Hot thing to do online, you say? Yet many of those with similar beliefs to you say that the majority remains silent because they have no knowledge of this conflict...

again provide a source that confirms your claim otherwise your argument is invalid

can you honestly turn back time to when bioware was under ms? no you cant so quit pretending that you know every thing

Again?
Oh, come on, the evidence is all over this topic. It is everywhere. Start at the first page and look around, there is even plenty on this page.
I am not pretending to know everything, i must look pretty smart to you if you are resorting to that.
If you can't prove me wrong yourself, just stop trying.

so a bunch of angry fan boys is your evidence?

i bet half of them just say what they say because its the current hot topic to get involved in


do you really expect me to take any of those people serious when they cant even read the policy to penny arcade about starting a charity for there OWN selfish gain?


i think what you dont  understand sly is you cant say well if bioware stuck with ms this wouldnt of happen because guess what that time is gone so get over it


you cant just live in the past and always assume things wouldve stayed the same like how they use to be



be honest with yourself man and im not insulting you or arguing but you even have to admit no matter what the devs do people will still never be happy.

i mean ffs people still complain about the ec wich is FREE and say well im just gona watch it on youtube or derp duh eeer im gona listed to a review. im sorry but my attitude is if you dont play it for yourself then you shouldnt have a oppinion at all on it.


and thats why again i think for now on after the whole ending fiasco is dealt with bioware should just do there own thing there way with zero input from fans

can you honestly say fans who acted exreme should have input let alone twist everything around or assume something is gona fail?

Modifié par Tazzmission, 03 juin 2012 - 05:21 .

[crazyrabbits]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Origin Systems was an EA studio for 12 years before closing.

You can actually draw a lot of similarities between EA's handling of OS and BW's current path in terms of games and resource management.

This was especially prevalent when Ultima Online became a hit in 1997. EA reallocated resources to focus more on the MMO/multiplayer side, and subsequently short-shifted the creative teams responsible for all of OS' single-player campaigns. I remember reading somewhere that the lead designer(s) of Ultima VIII and IX were so angry at EA that they wrote a number of stealth insults about the company into the narratives.

OS ended up being a glorified MMO studio, with most of their single-player content being cancelled or delayed time and time again. Several OS members, including the lead designers for several of their game, left due to "philosophical differences" with EA. In the end, most of OS' planned projects were cancelled, and the studio was closed and rebranded as a now-admitted controversial distribution/glorified DRM platform.

And you wonder why people complain about EA's association with Bioware. None of the companies integrated with EA ever had a say in the manner, and history shows that they were all micromanaged, pulled away from their core design philosophies to focus on gameplay elements/genres that didn't fit in with their corporate mandate, and all fell to a T after a series of underwhelming releases.

[Tazzmission]

crazyrabbits wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Origin Systems was an EA studio for 12 years before closing.

And you wonder why people complain about EA's association with Bioware. None of the companies integrated with EA ever had a say in the manner, and history shows that they were all micromanaged, pulled away from their core design philosophies to focus on gameplay elements/genres that didn't fit in with their corporate mandate, and all fell to a T after a series of underwhelming releases.

again what makes you think ea had any say at all in the development of dao2 or me3?

[crazyrabbits]

Tazzmission wrote...

again what makes you think ea had any say at all in the development of dao2 or me3?

Oh, I don't know...

Because every release under EA has had at least one sequence/NPC who acts as a setup for a DLC? Not to mention the blatant "Buy more DLC" notes in DA:O and at the end of ME3?

Because history has proved that EA has a track record of veering development houses off-course, just as many posts in this topic have shown?

Because of the wonky "horde mode" multiplayer map N7 missions?

I'm not saying they did or didn't influence it, but there is a lot of precedent to infer conclusions from their prior behaviour. I could go on, but I think you get my point.

[visionazzery]

i with ninja on the most important thing to be CIVILIZED AND CONSTRUCTIVE i asked an open ended question in my topic bout some really really serious issues. I only sought to go from recent history rather than make assumptions of a future none of us should presume to see. but this topic is intended for people to voice their constructive views not to as ninja says make personal attacks to individuals as a small small amount of people on this topic have done.

However at the same time Ninja it is with upmost respect to you and all at bioware worth noting there a lot of strong feelings dare isay it against EA. And it worth you considering would there be so much angst on this issue so rawly expressed if pple were as they are really concerned about this said topics issues?

If people are making assumption as you say Ninja, then maybe it part of a broader problem of the lack of communication EA have with their own customers? It represents more broadly the massive gulf even looking at the broader economic picture between what a corporate business knows and what customers NEED to know and vice versa.

A lot of the current economic crisis for instance is based on assumption why? there a lot of misinformation. With regard to the situation here though with EA the issue and my issue is that they have lacked transarency as to the manner in which they go about changing winning formulas like C&C that do not have to be changed. Whatever press releases EA personally release....they really should allow their subsidiary companies way more leeway to deliver their products maximum potebtial for the satisfaction of both parties the company- you guys and the client or customer -us. Am i not right?

Ea for a fact for me and what i know obviously does not reflect what goes on behind EA's corporate closd doors. But remember a lot of commentators and i for one agree the breakdown in relations between customer and corporation is what has contributed to the Global Financial Crisis.

As gamers we are blind to the truth of what EA's agenda is for direction they take gaming...would it not be beneficial for them to show a lot more transparency in considering the gaming communities' core fan base and enabling you and other subsidiary companies in gaming maximum leeway in what you do for us the fans?

Pple are inclined to express their feelings and instincts when they are not having access to a certain level of information that companies know that we do not.

Is it time guys for this culture to change?

I give full credit to you Ninja cos your prepared to explain to us your point of view to tell us in reality things that EA should directly be telling their massive customer base. IT is not for you to do. I think though to everyone and those very few esp who been making unecessary personal attacks you must give a lot of commendation to Ninja for whether we agree or not he is mentioning information to help us understand as customer and client of their products their point of view.

There a bigger picture issue so pls focus on the issues and as they say in footy 'don't play the man' disagree with a view under no circumstances do not esp on this topic lash out at the indivbidual...everyone entitled to a view i am still feeling misinformed thoughfrom the facts Ninja has outlined- sorry mate but i erally do acknowledge your keeping us your loyyal fan base in the loop to a point

[Tazzmission]

crazyrabbits wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

again what makes you think ea had any say at all in the development of dao2 or me3?

Oh, I don't know...

Because every release under EA has had at least one sequence/NPC who acts as a setup for a DLC? Not to mention the blatant "Buy more DLC" notes in DA:O and at the end of ME3?

you say every game ok then explain dead space 2..................


where is that so called ellie dlc you claim ea forces sp dlc for a charge at?

she was a npc so show me how ea forced out a play as ellie dlc 

even better show me one forced single player dlc for dead space 1

you cant because there wasnt any so dont say everygame ea has pushed out is w/e the heck it is your ranting about

Modifié par Tazzmission, 03 juin 2012 - 05:36 .

[crazyrabbits]

Tazzmission wrote...

you say every game ok then explain dead space 2..................

where is that so called ellie dlc you claim ea forces sp dlc for a charge at?

she was a npc so show me how ea forced out a play as ellie dlc

Sorry, I should have said "every Bioware release under EA".

The scenario you're talking about in Dead Space 2 should be the "Severed " DLC. A version of the player character (Gabe Weller) suit was found in the game files for DS2. That said, there was nothing I saw offhand that indicated there was a DLC plug in that game - from what I can see, most of their DLC revenue came from "suit packs" that were offered on launch day beside the main game, just like the original game.

Want to try again? Your selective posts haven't done anything to disprove the point that there is precedent for EA micromanaging and turning studios into a shell of themselves given enough time.

Modifié par crazyrabbits, 03 juin 2012 - 05:40 .

[Emzamination]

Gatt9 wrote...

Consoles aren't the "Be all end all" of gaming.  Not everything needs to be made for consoles.  DAO was a PC platform game.  There was absolutely no reason at all to do that.  Truth is,  all they're doing is alienating more and more gamers with this mentality,  while supporting a market that's dropping massive double digit percentages every month.  The current console-centric philosophy is now on track to make about the same revenues as 2006,  which is absolutely abyssmal.

The current philosophy about console game design (Read ultra-streamlined),  and that everything should be designed for a console is well on track to collapse the industry.  Doubt me?  Read the NPD reports for each month since 2010.  Or at least the ones for 2012.

Please stop speaking as if it's a one way street.Mass effect,Kotor,JE,Halo and fable were console franchises that didn't needed to be ported to pc but they were and that's that, life goes on.No matter how much you want to believe it with all your might, the pc is not the summa ****** laude of the gaming industry.There is no philosophy about console design, only entitlement and tears.

[Tazzmission]

crazyrabbits wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

you say every game ok then explain dead space 2..................

where is that so called ellie dlc you claim ea forces sp dlc for a charge at?

she was a npc so show me how ea forced out a play as ellie dlc

Sorry, I should have said "every Bioware release under EA".

The scenario you're talking about in Dead Space 2 should be the "Severed " DLC. A version of the player character (Gabe Weller) suit was found in the game files for DS2. That said, there was nothing I saw offhand that indicated there was a DLC plug in that game - from what I can see, most of their DLC revenue came from "suit packs" that were offered on launch day beside the main game, just like the original game.

Want to try again?

i didnt say gabe i stated specifically ellie because your argument was forced dlc involving npc. gabe wa snever apart of the main story officially