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Are EA the REAL culprits? potentially putting the Ending furore in perspective


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i didnt say gabe i stated specifically ellie because your argument was forced dlc involving npc. gabe wa snever apart of the main story officially


And again, you're using selective reasoning using a strawman character. The notion that DLC is "forced" is somewhat incorrect, as there are varying types. On one hand, you can have DLC that runs in a separate file and is intended to be a tie-in/epilogue to the game (Severed, Harley Quinn's Revenge for Arkham City) and you can have DLC hinted at in the main game itself (DA:O's NPC that tells you to pay for his mission before you can do it, Mass Effect's "I'm still planning on retaking Omega/I'll get back to you when I know more about the Shadow Broker"). And, let's not forget the fact that there was additional dialogue for LotSB that was present in the ME2 game files (as it was posted a long time back).

In this instance, Weller wasn't part of DS 2, but he was the protagonist of Extraction, so there is that.

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Keep in mind that the companies you mention are or were fully-owned subsidiaries of EA. It would be ludicrous to believe that EA would spend so much money acquiring a studio and deliberately sabotage that studio in every way imaginable. A publisher that owns so many studios would likely treat every new release from any of their subsidiaries more or less equally, so it doesn't make a lot of sense for them to "interfere" or affect one game by one studio in such a negative way but leave so many other games from all their other studios alone.


Considering EA's track record, I wouldn't put it past them.

At the very least EA's higher-ups are so incompetent that they don't know ANYTHING about their target audiences and insist on appealing to a wider audience and skimping out on content in the name of saving time despite neither of those things EVER panning out. Happened with the Ultima franchise.

Prove me wrong.

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so a bunch of angry fan boys is your evidence?

i bet half of them just say what they say because its the current hot topic to get involved in

do you really expect me to take any of those people serious when they cant even read the policy to penny arcade about starting a charity for there OWN selfish gain?

i think what you dont  understand sly is you cant say well if bioware stuck with ms this wouldnt of happen because guess what that time is gone so get over it

you cant just live in the past and always assume things wouldve stayed the same like how they use to be

be honest with yourself man and im not insulting you or arguing but you even have to admit no matter what the devs do people will still never be happy.

i mean ffs people still complain about the ec wich is FREE and say well im just gona watch it on youtube or derp duh eeer im gona listed to a review. im sorry but my attitude is if you dont play it for yourself then you shouldnt have a oppinion at all on it.


and thats why again i think for now on after the whole ending fiasco is dealt with bioware should just do there own thing there way with zero input from fans

can you honestly say fans who acted exreme should have input let alone twist everything around or assume something is gona fail?

FIrst, they are better fans than you. Second, they make valid points.:P< i have now used the first smiley. The topics online heat is irrelevant when it comes to valid points made.

And people on the other side of the line hated of that charity until it was forced to be removed, i would call that selfish.(you are talking about childs play right?)

I realize the EA situation and it is unfortunate, it was too late the moment EA got interested. What i want to do is try to encourage them to adopt bette3r business practices and stop messing games and dev studios up. MS is irrelevant to what i want done.

People are complaining about EC because it is just BW being stubborn and doing thr bare minimum of what was asked.

Honestly if there were no fan input then, as i said, ME would be in a much worse condition than it is now. Give me some legit/real reasons game/story wise that ME would have been better off if BW ignored the fans.

Failure of EC is a very real possibility based on what BW has said they would do. Many of there loyal fans are simply done with them because of there innability to admit that they were wrong and to actually fix the problems.

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Tazzmission wrote...

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so a bunch of angry fan boys is your evidence?

i bet half of them just say what they say because its the current hot topic to get involved in

do you really expect me to take any of those people serious when they cant even read the policy to penny arcade about starting a charity for there OWN selfish gain?

i think what you dont  understand sly is you cant say well if bioware stuck with ms this wouldnt of happen because guess what that time is gone so get over it

you cant just live in the past and always assume things wouldve stayed the same like how they use to be

be honest with yourself man and im not insulting you or arguing but you even have to admit no matter what the devs do people will still never be happy.

i mean ffs people still complain about the ec wich is FREE and say well im just gona watch it on youtube or derp duh eeer im gona listed to a review. im sorry but my attitude is if you dont play it for yourself then you shouldnt have a oppinion at all on it.


and thats why again i think for now on after the whole ending fiasco is dealt with bioware should just do there own thing there way with zero input from fans

can you honestly say fans who acted exreme should have input let alone twist everything around or assume something is gona fail?



People are complaining about EC because it is just BW being stubborn and doing thr bare minimum of what was asked.

Honestly if there were no fan input then, as i said, ME would be in a much worse condition than it is now. Give me some legit/real reasons game/story wise that ME would have been better off if BW ignored the fans.

Failure of EC is a very real possibility based on what BW has said they would do. Many of there loyal fans are simply done with them because of there innability to admit that they were wrong and to actually fix the problems.


if acting like a terrorist everyday by demanding somebody change there work then hey im glad im not affiliated with your protest and keep telling yourselves your real fans because if that makes you able to sleep at night good for you

but dont assume other people arent because they dont share the same ideology as you.

and again you cant think without fan input the series will fail because it was never given the chance to try in the first place

you say your smart but i really think you are missing what im saying and thats ok because no matter how many times i rephrase it your still not going to get it

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if acting like a terrorist everyday by demanding somebody change there work then hey im glad im not affiliated with your protest and keep telling yourselves your real fans because if that makes you able to sleep at night good for you


You must be a pretty sheltered person if a petition is comparable to terrorism to you.

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Tazzmission wrote...
if acting like a terrorist everyday by demanding somebody change there work then hey im glad im not affiliated with your protest and keep telling yourselves your real fans because if that makes you able to sleep at night good for you


You must be a pretty sheltered person if a petition is comparable to terrorism to you.

I find the comparison to be a bit insulting tbh.

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batlin wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
if acting like a terrorist everyday by demanding somebody change there work then hey im glad im not affiliated with your protest and keep telling yourselves your real fans because if that makes you able to sleep at night good for you


You must be a pretty sheltered person if a petition is comparable to terrorism to you.


so demanding people be terminated or insulting a guy like casey and mac is ok and not exreme in your eyes?

oh and lets lie and say bioware promised a ending if we get a charity going damn well knowing they never stated such a thing and that same group failed to read the freaking policy

report to the ftc, make false aligations on how bioware falsley advertised

heck because of people like you this place even adopted a new rule policy and you know that.

need me to continue running down the list or are you done living in this fantasy land of your always right?

imo yea that makes those particular idividuals who say and do things like that terrorists

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jreezy wrote...

batlin wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
if acting like a terrorist everyday by demanding somebody change there work then hey im glad im not affiliated with your protest and keep telling yourselves your real fans because if that makes you able to sleep at night good for you


You must be a pretty sheltered person if a petition is comparable to terrorism to you.

I find the comparison to be a bit insulting tbh.


eh he probably dosent even know the meaning of the word and if anyone is sheltered its him

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Because every release under EA has had at least one sequence/NPC who acts as a setup for a DLC? Not to mention the blatant "Buy more DLC" notes in DA:O and at the end of ME3?


Couls someone clarify something for me? I can't remember if DA:O is supposed to be the kind of great game that Bio made before EA, or suppposed to be the sort of atrocity that Bio makes post-EA.

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batlin wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
if acting like a terrorist everyday by demanding somebody change there work then hey im glad im not affiliated with your protest and keep telling yourselves your real fans because if that makes you able to sleep at night good for you


You must be a pretty sheltered person if a petition is comparable to terrorism to you.


You can when the person petitioning has never expierenced the product they're protesting.Dude let it slip a few weeks ago that he never owned nor ever played Me3.When I called him on it, he put me on block, lol.I think some people just want to be noticed even if its for negative reasons.

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crazyrabbits wrote...
Because every release under EA has had at least one sequence/NPC who acts as a setup for a DLC? Not to mention the blatant "Buy more DLC" notes in DA:O and at the end of ME3?


Couls someone clarify something for me? I can't remember if DA:O is supposed to be the kind of great game that Bio made before EA, or suppposed to be the sort of atrocity that Bio makes post-EA.


Hey, don't get me wrong. DA:O is incredible. I believe it was the first game released under the EA banner.

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Emzamination wrote...

batlin wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
if acting like a terrorist everyday by demanding somebody change there work then hey im glad im not affiliated with your protest and keep telling yourselves your real fans because if that makes you able to sleep at night good for you


You must be a pretty sheltered person if a petition is comparable to terrorism to you.


You can when the person petitioning has never expierenced the product they're protesting.Dude let it slip a few weeks ago that he never owned nor ever played Me3.When I called him on it, he put me on block, lol.I think some people just want to be noticed even if its for negative reasons.



wich dude because if thats true then i was correct in what i said that yea there are ppl joing this whole bs retake movement for the heck of it without knowing what its about

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crazyrabbits wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

crazyrabbits wrote...
Because every release under EA has had at least one sequence/NPC who acts as a setup for a DLC? Not to mention the blatant "Buy more DLC" notes in DA:O and at the end of ME3?


Couls someone clarify something for me? I can't remember if DA:O is supposed to be the kind of great game that Bio made before EA, or suppposed to be the sort of atrocity that Bio makes post-EA.


Hey, don't get me wrong. DA:O is incredible. I believe it was the first game released under the EA banner.


lol again you forget dead space 1 and 2


i love how you forget those even exsist and you say i have a one track mind

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Tazzmission wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

batlin wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
if acting like a terrorist everyday by demanding somebody change there work then hey im glad im not affiliated with your protest and keep telling yourselves your real fans because if that makes you able to sleep at night good for you


You must be a pretty sheltered person if a petition is comparable to terrorism to you.


You can when the person petitioning has never expierenced the product they're protesting.Dude let it slip a few weeks ago that he never owned nor ever played Me3.When I called him on it, he put me on block, lol.I think some people just want to be noticed even if its for negative reasons.



wich dude because if thats true then i was correct in what i said that yea there are ppl joing this whole bs retake movement for the heck of it without knowing what its about


That would be slyguy

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lol again you forget dead space 1 and 2


i love how you forget those even exsist and you say i have a one track mind


Top of the page, chief. You never responded to my last post directed to you.

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if acting like a terrorist everyday by demanding somebody change there work then hey im glad im not affiliated with your protest and keep telling yourselves your real fans because if that makes you able to sleep at night good for you

but dont assume other people arent because they dont share the same ideology as you.

and again you cant think without fan input the series will fail because it was never given the chance to try in the first place

you say your smart but i really think you are missing what im saying and thats ok because no matter how many times i rephrase it your still not going to get it



Terrorists is a little far. Look, they made a product and advertised it to be something that it was not. Fact is that anyone who has paid for it can give the necassary feedback, and in a way and amount of their choosing. It is what these forums are for. I don't need the factual knowledge of who is the better ME fan here(me) to sleep well at night, honestly.

Come on, you still haven't even given me one real gameplay example of why ME would have been better without fan input.

Quit making me feel smart. I am pretty sure i get what you are saying, i just don;t believe that it is true.

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slyguy200 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

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if acting like a terrorist everyday by demanding somebody change there work then hey im glad im not affiliated with your protest and keep telling yourselves your real fans because if that makes you able to sleep at night good for you

but dont assume other people arent because they dont share the same ideology as you.

and again you cant think without fan input the series will fail because it was never given the chance to try in the first place

you say your smart but i really think you are missing what im saying and thats ok because no matter how many times i rephrase it your still not going to get it





Come on, you still haven't even given me one real gameplay example of why ME would have been better without fan input.

Quit making me feel smart. I am pretty sure i get what you are saying, i just don;t believe that it is true.


na i dont think you ever will and besides i dont feel like going back and fourth about it all night

its already after 2am where im at

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Emzamination wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

batlin wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
if acting like a terrorist everyday by demanding somebody change there work then hey im glad im not affiliated with your protest and keep telling yourselves your real fans because if that makes you able to sleep at night good for you


You must be a pretty sheltered person if a petition is comparable to terrorism to you.


You can when the person petitioning has never expierenced the product they're protesting.Dude let it slip a few weeks ago that he never owned nor ever played Me3.When I called him on it, he put me on block, lol.I think some people just want to be noticed even if its for negative reasons.



wich dude because if thats true then i was correct in what i said that yea there are ppl joing this whole bs retake movement for the heck of it without knowing what its about


That would be slyguy


When did i let it slip? Cause there was a topic a while ago that i talked about what someone would do if they wanted a cheap copy of the game but i unintentionally made it look like i was talking about myself. By the time i corrected the issue, people had already made up their minds.

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Tazzmission wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

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if acting like a terrorist everyday by demanding somebody change there work then hey im glad im not affiliated with your protest and keep telling yourselves your real fans because if that makes you able to sleep at night good for you

but dont assume other people arent because they dont share the same ideology as you.

and again you cant think without fan input the series will fail because it was never given the chance to try in the first place

you say your smart but i really think you are missing what im saying and thats ok because no matter how many times i rephrase it your still not going to get it



Come on, you still haven't even given me one real gameplay example of why ME would have been better without fan input.

Quit making me feel smart. I am pretty sure i get what you are saying, i just don;t believe that it is true.


na i dont think you ever will and besides i dont feel like going back and fourth about it all night

its already after 2am where im at

You have made several weak points. Which one are you getting at? Or are you just being evasive?
Still waiting on those supposed gameplay differences/improvements caused by BW being ignorant of its fans.

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And now we're done here. This is why we can't have nice things.

End of line.