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[IndridColdx]

 

I was watching Angry Joe's view on the Indoctrination Theory and something strikes me as strange.  At  2:57 to 3:32 it shows the child running into a locked building.  The building then gets hit by a reaper's beam which should have seemingly killed the child.  I havent seen that evidence anywhere else or heard anybody talk about it at all, but to me, it seems pretty compelling.  Does anybody know if it was debunked in some way? 

I hate the endings, but at the time, was completely against the Indoctrination Theory.  I would rather Bioware ret-con'd the entire ending getting rid of the god child.  Now that I know that won't be the case I'm hoping IT is true.  And it seems to me there are too many coincidences happening in this game for Bioware not to be hiding something from us.  Whether it's the Indoctrination Theory or something else.  

(At the end of Angry Joe's video it shows tweets obviously showing Bioware is probably hiding something from us.  I don't have a twitter account.  Nothing has been communicated to me in any way saying they could be hiding something at all.  I wish Bioware had better ways of getting things across to us.  I've been literally stressed out these passed few months hoping the endings they gave us weren't completely set in stone.) 

Modifié par IndridColdx, 01 juin 2012 - 03:28 .

[Makrys]

If the IT is true, it could be presumed that the child was real until he ran into that room and was insta-fried. Then, since he was killed by the Reapers, becomes a hallucination in Shepard's mind. Otherwise, there is no way he could have survived that, much less completely unharmed as we see him. Nevertheless, you'll get tons of 'laziness' and 'artistic integrity' posts because people can't explain it. Outside of the IT, it can't be explained why he survived. Other than just Bioware screwing up once again because apparently they're all bumbling idiots.

Modifié par Makrys, 01 juin 2012 - 03:30 .

[RavenEyry]

It's one of the reasons we think the kid was a reaper trick all along. In an easy to miss scene the kid is seen pretty obviously dying, but then appears unscathed to say unsettling things before vanishing.

[IndridColdx]

It's just nuts to me. I've been paying pretty close attention to the Indoctrination Theory since people have been talking about it. I don't know how I missed Angry Joe's video, but I did. I have NEVER seen that video of the child running into the building. Not once.

[RavenEyry]

It definitely came up, but it's easy to miss things in the tidal wave of clues available for those willing to look.

[Makrys]

IndridColdx wrote...

It's just nuts to me. I've been paying pretty close attention to the Indoctrination Theory since people have been talking about it. I don't know how I missed Angry Joe's video, but I did. I have NEVER seen that video of the child running into the building. Not once.

I have two questions:

How the hell did he get there when just moments before he was hundreds of yards away, back outside of Shep's room? Did he just catch a shuttle and zooooom over there?

Why does he always seem to be near Shepard? At the beginning, he's outside his window, then he's in the room Shepard is about to enter, then he's near the shuttles Shepard is watching. He's EVERYWHERE Shepard looks almost. To me, it seems like he's trying to lure Shepard. When he runs in the building, he's trying to lure Shepard in after him. When he's by the shuttles, he's only there to be 'killed' so Shepard can feel sympathy for him. And right before he gets into the shuttle he looks directly at Shepard. Odd. All of it is odd, and creepy. 

[Emerald Rift]

I would like to know how the kid climbed up the building, I looked around after seeing the kid run into the building and there is no way for him to get there. To me it's a very strange scene and I wonder why they put it in to be honest.

[Jenonax]

My immediate thought is that could the child have survived the blast if he was already hidden in the vent?

Then I think, probably not with a blast that big, though I don't recall seeing much damage to the actual vent itself, other than having the cover missing.

I'm not sure how he ran through a locked door either, but I'm willing to put that down to bad programming than anything else.

Again its a confusing point on whether or not the boy could have survived that blast. Without him being in that vent its impossible but even with him in the vent I'm not convinced he could have lived, let alone come out completely unscathed.

[madatroytka]

the kid is there. i when i imported on the 360 and looked for the lil bugger... and tried to SHOOT him he's there alright

[Makrys]

Stamina Rose wrote...

I would like to know how the kid climbed up the building, I looked around after seeing the kid run into the building and there is no way for him to get there. To me it's a very strange scene and I wonder why they put it in to be honest.

Which goes back to my point that without the IT, its one of many scenes that doesn't make sense. Otherwise its common practice these days to just assume Bioware are all idiots.

[im commander shep]

I never saw that scene on the 1st play through and once you meet the kid you can kinda assume he got lost in the building and ended up in the vent. When I played through again and saw him run in the building the 1st thing I though was how the hell did he get there. The whole scene of him running into the building just feels as if there is more point to it as it asks more questions about the kid and how he got there.

[IndridColdx]

I am in no way a conspiracy theorist for this game.  I am willing to overlook a lot of things.  For example...

Stamina Rose wrote...

I would like to know how the kid climbed up the building, I looked around after seeing the kid run into the building and there is no way for him to get there.

I am completely willing to overlook things like this.  I understand..... it's a videogame.  There's certain things that can happen that make a character seemingly do the impossible that can be a oops factor for writers and developers.  I GET it.  The issue to me is when there are a lot of 'small' errors that happen, like I described in my original post, that become a 'BIG' issue to me.  That's becoming exactly the case for the child.

It seems to me that Bioware almost HAS to go with the Indoctrination Theory or some rendition of it, otherwise they are making one of the most colossal mistakes they can possibly make in probably the biggest game they have ever created.

[Bob3terd]

why create the image the child survived, when they kill him a couple of minutes later?

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Ahhhh not this spoon again.

[IndridColdx]

DinoSteve wrote...

Ahhhh not this spoon again.

Read a couple posts above the one you wrote.  I'm not trying to turn this into a conspiracy thread at all.  But I think it is a completely legitimate issue.  

[Makrys]

IndridColdx wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Ahhhh not this spoon again.

Read a couple posts above the one you wrote.  I'm not trying to turn this into a conspiracy thread at all.  But I think it is a completely legitimate issue.  

The IT is an interpretation, not a 'conspiracy'.

[IndridColdx]

Makrys wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Ahhhh not this spoon again.

Read a couple posts above the one you wrote.  I'm not trying to turn this into a conspiracy thread at all.  But I think it is a completely legitimate issue.  

The IT is an interpretation, not a 'conspiracy'.

Your entitled to your opinion.

[jijeebo]

- Game starts, Shep sees him playing

- Invasion starts

- He magics himself from the roof to that building, but given we don't know how much time actually passes between Shep seeing him on the roof and seeing him enter the building OR what he was doing during this time it's not impossible, just unlikely.

- He runs inside and shortly after husks appear and start banging on the side, probably why he ran inside and probably why the husks don't pay attention to Shepard, they're child hunting.

- The beam hits a little while later, but given everything that's happening it's likely that he hid well into the vent. Also the area of the room around the vent isn't actually damaged all that much, it's not like the building was a crater with nothing but an unharmed child standing in the middle of it.

- He hears Shep and Anderson and shuffles towards the entrance of the vent

- Chat with Shep

- Rest of Earth mission



That's my take on those events, indoctrination free for all your dietary needs.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

IndridColdx wrote...

Makrys wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Ahhhh not this spoon again.

Read a couple posts above the one you wrote.  I'm not trying to turn this into a conspiracy thread at all.  But I think it is a completely legitimate issue.  

The IT is an interpretation, not a 'conspiracy'.

Your entitled to your opinion.

Wasn't calling you a spoon, I was calling angry Joe one. Why people listen to that fool, I dunno.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 01 juin 2012 - 04:27 .

[Makrys]

IndridColdx wrote...

Makrys wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Ahhhh not this spoon again.

Read a couple posts above the one you wrote.  I'm not trying to turn this into a conspiracy thread at all.  But I think it is a completely legitimate issue.  

The IT is an interpretation, not a 'conspiracy'.

Your entitled to your opinion.

*sigh* 

Modifié par Makrys, 01 juin 2012 - 04:29 .

[IndridColdx]

Makrys wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

Makrys wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Ahhhh not this spoon again.

Read a couple posts above the one you wrote.  I'm not trying to turn this into a conspiracy thread at all.  But I think it is a completely legitimate issue.  

The IT is an interpretation, not a 'conspiracy'.

Your entitled to your opinion.

Not an opinion; fact.

I'm not going to get into an arguement about this lol  IT by definition can be called an conspiracy.  I agree, from certain points of view, it can be called an interpretation as well.  They are both facts.    

[IndridColdx]

DinoSteve wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

Makrys wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Ahhhh not this spoon again.

Read a couple posts above the one you wrote.  I'm not trying to turn this into a conspiracy thread at all.  But I think it is a completely legitimate issue.  

The IT is an interpretation, not a 'conspiracy'.

Your entitled to your opinion.

Wasn't calling you a spoon, I was calling angry Joe one. Why people listen to that fool, I dunno.

lol.  I agree.  to be honest though I thought you were calling the topic I posted a spoon.  My bad.

[Makrys]

Just because someone doesn't agree with it, doesn't mean its some grand conspiracy. That's just their way of making it sound 'bad'. Their way of mocking it.

Get over it, its in interpretation, nothing deeper, nothing ridiculous. (more in general than in direct reference to you)

Modifié par Makrys, 01 juin 2012 - 04:33 .

[zambingo]

Another thing about the child I don't see many make note of, right before the child gets into the shuttle the soldiers are helping to pull an adult officer into the shuttle. This adult officer is struggling to get in and the soldiers help. Then the child struggles to get in and no one helps. No one acknowledges. That was animated that way intentionally, peeps. It's not a programing that's running live. BioWare intentionally showed you the adult being helped and the child being ignored.

[jijeebo]

zambingo wrote...

Another thing about the child I don't see many make note of, right before the child gets into the shuttle the soldiers are helping to pull an adult officer into the shuttle. This adult officer is struggling to get in and the soldiers help. Then the child struggles to get in and no one helps. No one acknowledges. That was animated that way intentionally, peeps. It's not a programing that's running live. BioWare intentionally showed you the adult being helped and the child being ignored.

That person was injured though, iirc. Also one of the soldiers turns and looks at the child over his shoulder before going back to shooting reapahs, and the doors don't close until he has finished pulling himself up.

My theory regarding that scene is that it's a moment between Shepard and the child exclusively, so they kept npcs away from the kid on the shuttle and stuck squaddies out of the way on the Normandy.


Shepard vs Child - the emotional staring contest of the century

Modifié par jijeebo, 01 juin 2012 - 04:41 .