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[themaniac003]

Erield wrote...

themaniac003 wrote...

man, this thread is full of butt hurt people

I'm at work, and currently have nothing better to do.

I mean you got people yelling Prove it!!!!!! Mother F***er!!!!! and what not.   I mean its a little out of control really.

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

A reply to a post he'd already replied to.

*sigh*

Prove he ISN'T real. Prove that between ME2 and ME3 Shepard has become so indoctrinated that he is hearing and seeing clear prolonged visions of a child that are so vivid he has ACTUAL conversations with it WHILST AWAKE.



PROVE IT.

Indoctriantion attacke the limbic system first.
The limbic system is where hallucination s come from.
Shepard has been in on an off cantact with reaper teck for 3 years.
Object rho.
TIM controling Shapard and Anderson with indoctination at the end of the game that only controls this that have a form of  indoctrination first.....

And none of those things answer the question because Object Rho isn't canon and Shepard has been in lockdown since ME2 so how has his indoctrination progressed so severely?


Try again.



Prove he ISN'T real. Prove that between ME2 and ME3 Shepard has become so indoctrinated that he is hearing and seeing clear prolonged visions of a child that are so vivid he has ACTUAL conversations with it WHILST AWAKE.



Prove it.

Modifié par jijeebo, 02 juin 2012 - 01:04 .

[dreman9999]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

malakim2099 wrote...

If it were called Indoctrination Hypothesis I think less people would have a problem with it. Though really the only things against IH (calling it that now, because I prefer it) people come up with are bad writing and/or laziness by the writing team. And that's impossible to prove or disprove so both sides go round and round.

Me,I like the IH but I'll wait to see what the EC has.

No, it's a theory...A hapthisis is an idea the has to be tested and has no facts supporting it. IT has facts supporting it.

Speculation and conjecture are not facts.

TIM controling Shepard and anderson at the end of the game is a fact. The teck in TIM controling only beings with a form of inctination is also a fact.
Sheaprd being near reaper tech on and off for 3 yearsis a fact.
Reaper attacking the limbic system first with indoctriantion is a fact.
The limbic system controling dreams and the sourse of hallucination s is a fact.
Repided dreams is a symtom of indoctriantion is a fact.
Shepard having these dreams with symtoms of indoctriantion is a fact...
So...You want to start....

[jijeebo]

themaniac003 wrote...

Erield wrote...

themaniac003 wrote...

man, this thread is full of butt hurt people

I'm at work, and currently have nothing better to do.

I mean you got people yelling Prove it!!!!!! Mother F***er!!!!! and what not.   I mean its a little out of control really.

LOL soz my bad, I've been pasting the exact same question for like 3 pages now and never really noticed that the final bit was in caps every time.

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

A reply to a post he'd already replied to.

*sigh*

Prove he ISN'T real. Prove that between ME2 and ME3 Shepard has become so indoctrinated that he is hearing and seeing clear prolonged visions of a child that are so vivid he has ACTUAL conversations with it WHILST AWAKE.



PROVE IT.

Indoctriantion attacke the limbic system first.
The limbic system is where hallucination s come from.
Shepard has been in on an off cantact with reaper teck for 3 years.
Object rho.
TIM controling Shapard and Anderson with indoctination at the end of the game that only controls this that have a form of  indoctrination first.....

And none of those things answer the question because Object Rho isn't canon and Shepard has been in lockdown since ME2 so how has his indoctrination progressed so severely?

But the 3 years of on and off contract the reaper tech is and TIM controling Shepard with indoctrination is as well.

Modifié par dreman9999, 02 juin 2012 - 01:06 .

[Mobius-Silent]

dreman9999 wrote...
Object rho.

Can't be used as a Shepard who didn't do arrival gets the same ending.
There was a thread around here calculating Shepards the actual exposure to reaper tech... it was minimal.

So again, when the EC comes out and there is _no_ I.T. in is at all, what will you do?

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


And none of those things answer the question because Object Rho isn't canon and Shepard has been in lockdown since ME2 so how has his indoctrination progressed so severely?

But the 3 years of on and off contract the reaper tech is and TGIm controling Shepard with indoctrination.

So the kid is a hallucination because TIM is going to control Shepard with indoctrination 3 months in the future?

Yeah, seems legit.



Try again.

Modifié par jijeebo, 02 juin 2012 - 01:08 .

[dreman9999]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Object rho.

Can't be used as a Shepard who didn't do arrival gets the same ending.
There was a thread around here calculating Shepards the actual exposure to reaper tech... it was minimal.

So again, when the EC comes out and there is _no_ I.T. in is at all, what will you do?

So Liara is not the Shadow broker because we didn't help her?
.....Oops, she still is.
What does that mean? 
It'm means you you didn't becaome part of the plot, it's still written into the story.If the story has Shepard indoctrinated but  did not play arriavl, there still the 3 years of on and off contact with reaper tech that still can do it with the rest of the contact with reaper tech and reaper in ME3.

[Mobius-Silent]

dreman9999 wrote...
The teck in TIM controling only beings with a form of inctination is also a fact.

Speculation and pretty poor speculation at that.

dreman9999 wrote... 
Sheaprd being near reaper tech on and off for 3 yearsis a fact.

Not constant and little enough that even a quick indoctrination wouldn't have time to work

dreman9999 wrote...  
.. Shepard having these dreams with symtoms of indoctriantion is a fact...

Incorrect, there is no reason to assume anything about Shepards dreams is indoctrination related, that is more I.T.circular reasoning nonsense.

Nothing to see here, move along

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


And none of those things answer the question because Object Rho isn't canon and Shepard has been in lockdown since ME2 so how has his indoctrination progressed so severely?

But the 3 years of on and off contract the reaper tech is and TGIm controling Shepard with indoctrination.

So the kid is a hallucination because TIM is going to control Shepard with indoctrination 3 months in the future?

Yeah, seems legit.



Try again.

TIM controling Shepard with indoctrination proves that Shepard is indoctrinated.. The 3 years of on and off contact show when it happened.

Modifié par dreman9999, 02 juin 2012 - 01:12 .

[Tom Lehrer]

dreman9999 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

malakim2099 wrote...

If it were called Indoctrination Hypothesis I think less people would have a problem with it. Though really the only things against IH (calling it that now, because I prefer it) people come up with are bad writing and/or laziness by the writing team. And that's impossible to prove or disprove so both sides go round and round.

Me,I like the IH but I'll wait to see what the EC has.

No, it's a theory...A hapthisis is an idea the has to be tested and has no facts supporting it. IT has facts supporting it.

Speculation and conjecture are not facts.

TIM controling Shepard and anderson at the end of the game is a fact. The teck in TIM controling only beings with a form of inctination is also a fact.
Sheaprd being near reaper tech on and off for 3 yearsis a fact.
Reaper attacking the limbic system first with indoctriantion is a fact.
The limbic system controling dreams and the sourse of hallucination s is a fact.
Repided dreams is a symtom of indoctriantion is a fact.
Shepard having these dreams with symtoms of indoctriantion is a fact...
So...You want to start....

:whistle::whistle:
All speculation and conjecture. You need to work on your English skills my friend. 

:whistle::whistle:

[dreman9999]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

malakim2099 wrote...

If it were called Indoctrination Hypothesis I think less people would have a problem with it. Though really the only things against IH (calling it that now, because I prefer it) people come up with are bad writing and/or laziness by the writing team. And that's impossible to prove or disprove so both sides go round and round.

Me,I like the IH but I'll wait to see what the EC has.

No, it's a theory...A hapthisis is an idea the has to be tested and has no facts supporting it. IT has facts supporting it.

Speculation and conjecture are not facts.

TIM controling Shepard and anderson at the end of the game is a fact. The teck in TIM controling only beings with a form of inctination is also a fact.
Sheaprd being near reaper tech on and off for 3 yearsis a fact.
Reaper attacking the limbic system first with indoctriantion is a fact.
The limbic system controling dreams and the sourse of hallucination s is a fact.
Repided dreams is a symtom of indoctriantion is a fact.
Shepard having these dreams with symtoms of indoctriantion is a fact...
So...You want to start....

:whistle::whistle:
All speculation and conjecture. You need to work on your English skills my friend. 

:whistle::whistle:

So TIM controling Shepard and Anderson in the game with indoctriantion is a speculation?

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


And none of those things answer the question because Object Rho isn't canon and Shepard has been in lockdown since ME2 so how has his indoctrination progressed so severely?

But the 3 years of on and off contract the reaper tech is and TGIm controling Shepard with indoctrination.

So the kid is a hallucination because TIM is going to control Shepard with indoctrination 3 months in the future?

Yeah, seems legit.



Try again.

TIM just prove that Shepard is indoctrinated.. The 3 years of on and off contact show when it happened.

I'm asking for proof and you're giving me assumptions based on in-game events that haven't even happened yet?

None of the ME3 contact counts because it hasn't happened yet, and ME1 & ME2 don't have much contact at all...


Try again.

[dreman9999]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The teck in TIM controling only beings with a form of inctination is also a fact.

Speculation and pretty poor speculation at that.

dreman9999 wrote... 
Sheaprd being near reaper tech on and off for 3 yearsis a fact.

Not constant and little enough that even a quick indoctrination wouldn't have time to work

dreman9999 wrote...  
.. Shepard having these dreams with symtoms of indoctriantion is a fact...

Incorrect, there is no reason to assume anything about Shepards dreams is indoctrination related, that is more I.T.circular reasoning nonsense.

Nothing to see here, move along

1. No...THe cerberus base and scactuary clear pove and state it...Fact.
2.On and off contatact acn indoctriante as well. Indocrtination is like brain damage, it does not go away.
3.He has syntoms of indoctriantion in the dream.

[Mobius-Silent]

dreman9999 wrote...
So Liara is not the Shadow broker because we didn't help her?
.....Oops, she still is.
What does that mean? 
It'm means you you didn't becaome part of the plot, it's still written into the story.If the story has Shepard indoctrinated but  did not play arriavl, there still the 3 years of on and off contact with reaper tech that still can do it with the rest of the contact with reaper tech and reaper in ME3.

Wow, broken logic, fantastic.
If you didn't do LotsB Liara hires mooks, hence the game can't hang an outcome on Shepard being there.
If you don't do Arrival other marines do it, hence the game can't hang an outcome on Shepard being there. 

Actual exposure to indoctrination tech time 13 hours and fifteen minutes Not even enough time for balls-to-the-wall rapid indoctrination.

[IndridColdx]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...
For perspectives sake I did take a look at the dream sequences.  They definitely look like oily shadows to me.  I would say thats a pretty accurate description of them.  

Really?, so tell me, what _specifically_ is "oily" about them that would not be better described as "smoke"?
wet? shiny? iridescent? no?
Here's a picture to help

Looks more. matte, particulate, whispy to me...
Funny that, given Bioware called it "smoke"

__Specifically__ what is "oily" about them is they can be described as __OILY__.  And your picture does NOT disprove that.  If I wanted to I could go find the clips and specifically show you parts in the clip which smoke doesn't move and typically act, but that would be completely ridiculous because this is a video game.  In fact we're talking about a "dream" in a video game.  The possibilities are literally limitless in what that could be described as.  If I wanted to find something as mundane as your using to disprove a point I would argue "well where there is smoke, there must be fire,"  where is the god damn fire  NO FIRE????  Must be oily shadows.  You're arguing semantics.

[Tom Lehrer]

dreman9999 wrote...
So TIM controling Shepard and Anderson in the game with indoctriantion is a speculation?

It is pure speculation juice bcause we dont know what TIM was doing. :whistle::whistle::whistle::innocent::whistle::whistle:

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


And none of those things answer the question because Object Rho isn't canon and Shepard has been in lockdown since ME2 so how has his indoctrination progressed so severely?

But the 3 years of on and off contract the reaper tech is and TGIm controling Shepard with indoctrination.

So the kid is a hallucination because TIM is going to control Shepard with indoctrination 3 months in the future?

Yeah, seems legit.



Try again.

TIM just prove that Shepard is indoctrinated.. The 3 years of on and off contact show when it happened.

I'm asking for proof and you're giving me assumptions based on in-game events that haven't even happened yet?

None of the ME3 contact counts because it hasn't happened yet, and ME1 & ME2 don't have much contact at all...


Try again.

Those even show that it was a hallucination aswell asthe star child. Whith TIM controling Shepared with indoctriantion and person has to be indoctrianted first for that to happen.... What let is a question of when the indoctriantion happened .

[Erield]

dreman9999 wrote...

TIM controling Shepard with indoctrination proves that Shepard is indoctrinated.. The 3 years of on and off contact show when it happened.

Wait.  Shepard's Indoctrinated?  I thought that this was all just an Indoctrination attempt.  That Shepard was in the process of resisting.  If he's already Indoctrinated, then his resistance will last as long as Saren's, Benezia's, or TIM's did--one final speech, and then a bullet to the brain.

Since I'm assuming that's not what you meant, I'm going to repeat what I said before.  Show me one instance where Shepard was awake and aware and hallucinating that does not involve the kid running through a locked door that opens anyway.

[IndridColdx]

IndridColdx wrote...

Mobius-Silent wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...
For perspectives sake I did take a look at the dream sequences.  They definitely look like oily shadows to me.  I would say thats a pretty accurate description of them.  

Really?, so tell me, what _specifically_ is "oily" about them that would not be better described as "smoke"?
wet? shiny? iridescent? no?
Here's a picture to help

Looks more. matte, particulate, whispy to me...
Funny that, given Bioware called it "smoke"

__Specifically__ what is "oily" about them is they can be described as __OILY__.  And your picture does NOT disprove that.  If I wanted to I could go find the clips and specifically show you parts in the clip which smoke doesn't move and typically act, but that would be completely ridiculous because this is a video game.  In fact we're talking about a "dream" in a video game.  The possibilities are literally limitless in what that could be described as.  If I wanted to find something as mundane as your using to disprove a point I would argue "well where there is smoke, there must be fire,"  where is the god damn fire  NO FIRE????  Must be oily shadows.  You're arguing semantics.  Regardless of what your saying, and what picture you post, they can easily, and REASONABLY, be described as oily shadows

[Mobius-Silent]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...
[/quote]1. No...THe cerberus base and scactuary clear pove and state it...Fact.
[/quote]

You are incorrect, TIM investigates the reaper control signal and indoctrination, two completely different things. If you was to prove me wrong quote me something.

No and no to the other two, you're conflating control of the limbic system and the resultant neural scarring. But thats ok. I don't care

What are you going to do when the EC contains no I.T? Seriously.

[IndridColdx]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...
For perspectives sake I did take a look at the dream sequences.  They definitely look like oily shadows to me.  I would say thats a pretty accurate description of them.  

Really?, so tell me, what _specifically_ is "oily" about them that would not be better described as "smoke"?
wet? shiny? iridescent? no?
Here's a picture to help

Looks more. matte, particulate, whispy to me...
Funny that, given Bioware called it "smoke"

Modifié par IndridColdx, 02 juin 2012 - 01:24 .

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


I'm asking for proof and you're giving me assumptions based on in-game events that haven't even happened yet?

None of the ME3 contact counts because it hasn't happened yet, and ME1 & ME2 don't have much contact at all...


Try again.

Those even show that it was a hallucination aswell asthe star child. Whith TIM controling Shepared with indoctriantion and person has to be indoctrianted first for that to happen.... What let is a question of when the indoctriantion happened .

- TIM indoctrinating is an assumption regardless of what the game file called the effects because it isn't covered in the game. It also isn't relevant to Shepard 3 months prior.

- This notion that people have to be indoctrinated for TIM to control them is complete speculation. Once again is not relevant to Shepard 3 months prior.

- According to you it happened between ME2 and ME3 since Shepard is now bat**** crazy and seeing little children running around, opening doors and having conversations with him.


I asked you a simple question and I got a bucket 'o speculation that wasn't even relevant.


Try again, I want proof that the child on Earth isn't real, this is the 8th time I've asked and all I've gotten so far is "Nobody touched him.".

[Mobius-Silent]

IndridColdx wrote...
 they can easily, and REASONABLY, be described as oily shadows

Man you are far gone.

Bioware call them "smoke" the _art_ people labled the particle emitters as smoke. The only "oily" thing here is a bunch of people who really _really_ didn't "get" the Rachni

Question, if the Rachni are a reliable source for visual discriptions of indoctrination, where are the "yellow" and "sour" parts?

[dreman9999]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
So TIM controling Shepard and Anderson in the game with indoctriantion is a speculation?

It is pure speculation juice bcause we dont know what TIM was doing. :whistle::whistle::whistle::innocent::whistle::whistle:

Yes, we do...It clear based on what stated in the cerberus base and sacturay.
Cerberus figures out how to us indoctriantion for themselves, they use it on there troops and to get more troops to fight for them, the study it more and learn to control husk, they find that what left to it full power is a power source and what the crucible to be used as that power sourse and then implant TIM with the tech from Sactuary.

And some how it's not indoctrination?...Even the games code calls what used in the scene reaper power.
Every symtom of indotrination comes up.
Even Shepard referse to it and say"You can control me but it doesn't mean you can control the reapers".

How on earth can it be something else when TIM was tring so hard to understand anjd us indoctrination.