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[jules_vern18]

Makrys wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

It's just nuts to me. I've been paying pretty close attention to the Indoctrination Theory since people have been talking about it. I don't know how I missed Angry Joe's video, but I did. I have NEVER seen that video of the child running into the building. Not once.

I have two questions:

How the hell did he get there when just moments before he was hundreds of yards away, back outside of Shep's room? Did he just catch a shuttle and zooooom over there?

Why does he always seem to be near Shepard? At the beginning, he's outside his window, then he's in the room Shepard is about to enter, then he's near the shuttles Shepard is watching. He's EVERYWHERE Shepard looks almost. To me, it seems like he's trying to lure Shepard. When he runs in the building, he's trying to lure Shepard in after him. When he's by the shuttles, he's only there to be 'killed' so Shepard can feel sympathy for him. And right before he gets into the shuttle he looks directly at Shepard. Odd. All of it is odd, and creepy. 

imo It's a poorly-executed attempt to try and establish an emotional connection to the kid; that's why he's shown running along the rooftops as Shepard runs away.  The kid is real:

1:  When he runs into the building that gets fried by the Reaper beam (if the beam didn't destroy the building, there's no reason to assume that somebody inside the building couldn't have survived), you see husks trying to get in after him.

2:  At the landing pad, you can see a soldier turn to look directly at him.

3:  The soldiers don't help the kid onto the shuttle because they're clearly doing whatever they can to hold the Reapers off.  You'll notice that the shuttle waits for the kid to get on and doesn't close doors or take off until he leaves.  There was absolutely no reason for the pilot to wait around otherwise.

[dreman9999]

Bob3terd wrote...

why create the image the child survived, when they kill him a couple of minutes later?

To mess with Shepards head and to build connect to the illusion.

[IndridColdx]

Makrys wrote...

Just because someone doesn't agree with it, doesn't mean its some grand conspiracy. That's just their way of making it sound 'bad'. Their way of mocking it.

Get over it, its in interpretation, nothing deeper, nothing ridiculous. (more in general than in direct reference to you)

Just because someone would disagree or agree with a consipiracy doesn't make it any less of a conspiracy or inherently make it bad.  I do agree labeling something a conspiracy generally doesn't put a very good shine on the a subject, but in this case, and by definition, the word still works.  

Conspiracy:  a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose

If IT is true, would it not be a conspiracy on the part of the dev's to fool us the players if it is in fact what they were planning from the beginning?  

I think it does.  But it either case why am I arugeing about this?  Using the word interpretation is completely fine with me as well.  

Modifié par IndridColdx, 01 juin 2012 - 04:49 .

[dreman9999]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

It's just nuts to me. I've been paying pretty close attention to the Indoctrination Theory since people have been talking about it. I don't know how I missed Angry Joe's video, but I did. I have NEVER seen that video of the child running into the building. Not once.

I have two questions:

How the hell did he get there when just moments before he was hundreds of yards away, back outside of Shep's room? Did he just catch a shuttle and zooooom over there?

Why does he always seem to be near Shepard? At the beginning, he's outside his window, then he's in the room Shepard is about to enter, then he's near the shuttles Shepard is watching. He's EVERYWHERE Shepard looks almost. To me, it seems like he's trying to lure Shepard. When he runs in the building, he's trying to lure Shepard in after him. When he's by the shuttles, he's only there to be 'killed' so Shepard can feel sympathy for him. And right before he gets into the shuttle he looks directly at Shepard. Odd. All of it is odd, and creepy. 

imo It's a poorly-executed attempt to try and establish an emotional connection to the kid; that's why he's shown running along the rooftops as Shepard runs away.  The kid is real:

1:  When he runs into the building that gets fried by the Reaper beam (if the beam didn't destroy the building, there's no reason to assume that somebody inside the building couldn't have survived), you see husks trying to get in after him.

2:  At the landing pad, you can see a soldier turn to look directly at him.

3:  The soldiers don't help the kid onto the shuttle because they're clearly doing whatever they can to hold the Reapers off.  You'll notice that the shuttle waits for the kid to get on and doesn't close doors or take off until he leaves.  There was absolutely no reason for the pilot to wait around otherwise.

1.No the husk were not after him...They never got the chance to see him. The husk nearest to Shepard before the got to that building would be the only one to see the child and they never when after him.
2.No, nothing indicates he is looking at the child.
3. The child runs in as soon asthe last two people get in

[Makrys]

IndridColdx wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Just because someone doesn't agree with it, doesn't mean its some grand conspiracy. That's just their way of making it sound 'bad'. Their way of mocking it.

Get over it, its in interpretation, nothing deeper, nothing ridiculous. (more in general than in direct reference to you)

Just because someone would disagree or agree with a consipiracy doesn't make it any less of a conspiracy or inherently make it bad.  I do agree labeling something a conspiracy generally doesn't put a very good shine on the a subject, but in this case, and by definition, the word still works.  

Conspiracy:  a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose

If IT is true, would it not be a conspiracy on the part of the dev's to fool us the players if it is in fact what they were planning from the beginning?  

I think it does.  But it either case why am I arugeing about this?  Using the word interpretation is completely fine with me as well.  

I thought you were referencing the fans. If you're referencing Bioware, then it actually makes sense. Though, very little. It is not an 'unlawful' or 'evil' thing. So in the end, it still doesn't fit the definition for a conspiracy. People need to find a better word. How about 'clever twist'? Yeah, that would work a lot better.

Modifié par Makrys, 01 juin 2012 - 04:53 .

[Vigilant111]

hmm, how manipulative the Catalyst must be, invoking the image of a dead child to draw sympathy

[dreman9999]

Makrys wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Just because someone doesn't agree with it, doesn't mean its some grand conspiracy. That's just their way of making it sound 'bad'. Their way of mocking it.

Get over it, its in interpretation, nothing deeper, nothing ridiculous. (more in general than in direct reference to you)

Just because someone would disagree or agree with a consipiracy doesn't make it any less of a conspiracy or inherently make it bad.  I do agree labeling something a conspiracy generally doesn't put a very good shine on the a subject, but in this case, and by definition, the word still works.  

Conspiracy:  a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose

If IT is true, would it not be a conspiracy on the part of the dev's to fool us the players if it is in fact what they were planning from the beginning?  

I think it does.  But it either case why am I arugeing about this?  Using the word interpretation is completely fine with me as well.  

I thought you were referencing the fans. If you're referencing Bioware, then it actually makes sense. Though, very little. It is not an 'unlawful' or 'evil' thing. So in the end, it still doesn't fit the definition for a conspiracy. People need to find a better word. How about 'clever twist'? Yeah, that would work a lot better.

And just remeber how How many twist bw used in the past...

[dreman9999]

Vigilant111 wrote...

hmm, how manipulative the Catalyst must be, invoking the image of a dead child to draw sympathy

How manipulative of the reapers to put an image of a child dieing in Shepard mind and tormentingt him with it..

[jules_vern18]

dreman9999 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

It's just nuts to me. I've been paying pretty close attention to the Indoctrination Theory since people have been talking about it. I don't know how I missed Angry Joe's video, but I did. I have NEVER seen that video of the child running into the building. Not once.

I have two questions:

How the hell did he get there when just moments before he was hundreds of yards away, back outside of Shep's room? Did he just catch a shuttle and zooooom over there?

Why does he always seem to be near Shepard? At the beginning, he's outside his window, then he's in the room Shepard is about to enter, then he's near the shuttles Shepard is watching. He's EVERYWHERE Shepard looks almost. To me, it seems like he's trying to lure Shepard. When he runs in the building, he's trying to lure Shepard in after him. When he's by the shuttles, he's only there to be 'killed' so Shepard can feel sympathy for him. And right before he gets into the shuttle he looks directly at Shepard. Odd. All of it is odd, and creepy. 

imo It's a poorly-executed attempt to try and establish an emotional connection to the kid; that's why he's shown running along the rooftops as Shepard runs away.  The kid is real:

1:  When he runs into the building that gets fried by the Reaper beam (if the beam didn't destroy the building, there's no reason to assume that somebody inside the building couldn't have survived), you see husks trying to get in after him.

2:  At the landing pad, you can see a soldier turn to look directly at him.

3:  The soldiers don't help the kid onto the shuttle because they're clearly doing whatever they can to hold the Reapers off.  You'll notice that the shuttle waits for the kid to get on and doesn't close doors or take off until he leaves.  There was absolutely no reason for the pilot to wait around otherwise.

1.No the husk were not after him...They never got the chance to see him. The husk nearest to Shepard before the got to that building would be the only one to see the child and they never when after him.
2.No, nothing indicates he is looking at the child.
3. The child runs in as soon asthe last two people get in

1:  Then what were they after, Dreman?   Hmm?  Why do they ignore Shepard and Anderson as they are trying to get into the building?  They are probably what the kid was running from.  I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense to you, but you can't just stick your fingers in your ears everytime you hear a counterargument to your theory.

2:  Have you watched the video?  He looks directly at him.  And if the kid wasn't there, what was the soldier looking at?  Did he just turn away from battle to look at the ground for a minute?  Try actually watching the video - I know it doesn't confirm IT so you probably want to just ignore it, but watch it with an open mind.

3.  Sigh.  There is a considerable delay between the moment the last two people get in and the shuttle doors closing.  Why keep the shuttle doors open (and expose the passengers to fire) if there was nobody else to wait for?  Watch.  The.  Video.

[Makrys]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

It's just nuts to me. I've been paying pretty close attention to the Indoctrination Theory since people have been talking about it. I don't know how I missed Angry Joe's video, but I did. I have NEVER seen that video of the child running into the building. Not once.

I have two questions:

How the hell did he get there when just moments before he was hundreds of yards away, back outside of Shep's room? Did he just catch a shuttle and zooooom over there?

Why does he always seem to be near Shepard? At the beginning, he's outside his window, then he's in the room Shepard is about to enter, then he's near the shuttles Shepard is watching. He's EVERYWHERE Shepard looks almost. To me, it seems like he's trying to lure Shepard. When he runs in the building, he's trying to lure Shepard in after him. When he's by the shuttles, he's only there to be 'killed' so Shepard can feel sympathy for him. And right before he gets into the shuttle he looks directly at Shepard. Odd. All of it is odd, and creepy. 

imo It's a poorly-executed attempt to try and establish an emotional connection to the kid; that's why he's shown running along the rooftops as Shepard runs away.  The kid is real:

1:  When he runs into the building that gets fried by the Reaper beam (if the beam didn't destroy the building, there's no reason to assume that somebody inside the building couldn't have survived), you see husks trying to get in after him.

2:  At the landing pad, you can see a soldier turn to look directly at him.

3:  The soldiers don't help the kid onto the shuttle because they're clearly doing whatever they can to hold the Reapers off.  You'll notice that the shuttle waits for the kid to get on and doesn't close doors or take off until he leaves.  There was absolutely no reason for the pilot to wait around otherwise.

1. No kid could have survived that. Period. The buildings roof was completely blown off and at the moment its hit you clearly see the room light up with flame. Everything in there was scorched. The kid was miraculously unharmed. Right.

2. No, I did not see the soldier look at him and I have seen that video numerous times. No one ever noticed the child or bothered helping him on board. Not even the civilians.

3. They weren't waiting for the child. He got on right after a few civilians did. No one even looks at or touches the child. The child just stares back at Shepard and the door closes.

[IndridColdx]

Makrys wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Just because someone doesn't agree with it, doesn't mean its some grand conspiracy. That's just their way of making it sound 'bad'. Their way of mocking it.

Get over it, its in interpretation, nothing deeper, nothing ridiculous. (more in general than in direct reference to you)

Just because someone would disagree or agree with a consipiracy doesn't make it any less of a conspiracy or inherently make it bad.  I do agree labeling something a conspiracy generally doesn't put a very good shine on the a subject, but in this case, and by definition, the word still works.  

Conspiracy:  a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose

If IT is true, would it not be a conspiracy on the part of the dev's to fool us the players if it is in fact what they were planning from the beginning?  

I think it does.  But it either case why am I arugeing about this?  Using the word interpretation is completely fine with me as well.  

I thought you were referencing the fans. If you're referencing Bioware, then it actually makes sense. Though, very little. It is not an 'unlawful' or 'evil' thing. So in the end, it still doesn't fit the definition for a conspiracy. People need to find a better word. How about 'clever twist'? Yeah, that would work a lot better.

Clever twist is fine with me.  But just in my defense..

Conspiracy:  a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose.

Key word being "or."  Meaning it does not have to be any combonation of those things.  It doesn't have to be 'unlawful' or 'evil.'  Secret can stand alone there.

So yes, it does make perfect sense

I don't want to argue anymore though.  So I'm just gonna say clever twist from now on k? lol

[Makrys]

1:  Then what were they after, Dreman?   Hmm?  Why do they ignore Shepard and Anderson as they are trying to get into the building?  They are probably what the kid was running from.  I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense to you, but you can't just stick your fingers in your ears everytime you hear a counterargument to your theory.

2:  Have you watched the video?  He looks directly at him.  And if the kid wasn't there, what was the soldier looking at?  Did he just turn away from battle to look at the ground for a minute?  Try actually watching the video - I know it doesn't confirm IT so you probably want to just ignore it, but watch it with an open mind.

3.  Sigh.  There is a considerable delay between the moment the last two people get in and the shuttle doors closing.  Why keep the shuttle doors open (and expose the passengers to fire) if there was nobody else to wait for?  Watch.  The.  Video.

You mean this video? 

The shuttle not taking off immediately does not mean they were waiting on the child. They could have simply been waiting on the soldier to give them the ok. This proves nothing.

Modifié par Makrys, 01 juin 2012 - 05:01 .

[RavenEyry]

Watched it again, I don't see a soldier staring at the kid, but the shuttle does appear to wait for him.

[dreman9999]

jules_vern18 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...

It's just nuts to me. I've been paying pretty close attention to the Indoctrination Theory since people have been talking about it. I don't know how I missed Angry Joe's video, but I did. I have NEVER seen that video of the child running into the building. Not once.

I have two questions:

How the hell did he get there when just moments before he was hundreds of yards away, back outside of Shep's room? Did he just catch a shuttle and zooooom over there?

Why does he always seem to be near Shepard? At the beginning, he's outside his window, then he's in the room Shepard is about to enter, then he's near the shuttles Shepard is watching. He's EVERYWHERE Shepard looks almost. To me, it seems like he's trying to lure Shepard. When he runs in the building, he's trying to lure Shepard in after him. When he's by the shuttles, he's only there to be 'killed' so Shepard can feel sympathy for him. And right before he gets into the shuttle he looks directly at Shepard. Odd. All of it is odd, and creepy. 

imo It's a poorly-executed attempt to try and establish an emotional connection to the kid; that's why he's shown running along the rooftops as Shepard runs away.  The kid is real:

1:  When he runs into the building that gets fried by the Reaper beam (if the beam didn't destroy the building, there's no reason to assume that somebody inside the building couldn't have survived), you see husks trying to get in after him.

2:  At the landing pad, you can see a soldier turn to look directly at him.

3:  The soldiers don't help the kid onto the shuttle because they're clearly doing whatever they can to hold the Reapers off.  You'll notice that the shuttle waits for the kid to get on and doesn't close doors or take off until he leaves.  There was absolutely no reason for the pilot to wait around otherwise.

1.No the husk were not after him...They never got the chance to see him. The husk nearest to Shepard before the got to that building would be the only one to see the child and they never when after him.
2.No, nothing indicates he is looking at the child.
3. The child runs in as soon asthe last two people get in

1:  Then what were they after, Dreman?   Hmm?  Why do they ignore Shepard and Anderson as they are trying to get into the building?  They are probably what the kid was running from.  I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense to you, but you can't just stick your fingers in your ears everytime you hear a counterargument to your theory.

2:  Have you watched the video?  He looks directly at him.  And if the kid wasn't there, what was the soldier looking at?  Did he just turn away from battle to look at the ground for a minute?  Try actually watching the video - I know it doesn't confirm IT so you probably want to just ignore it, but watch it with an open mind.

3.  Sigh.  There is a considerable delay between the moment the last two people get in and the shuttle doors closing.  Why keep the shuttle doors open (and expose the passengers to fire) if there was nobody else to wait for?  Watch.  The.  Video.

1. Letme try to expline this....When did the husk even see the kid or know where he when? And there's 2 buildings. Building A  is where Shepard comes in...Building b is where the child is...Before you get to build b...You shot husk climbing up a building...Why don't those husk go after the child when it's clear that they can see him run into the building?

2.Yes. I see a veiw of two people blocking the veiw of what everht the soldier is looking at. And looking at a direction of something does not mean someone sees it. If you want to prove he is real, show someone inteacting with him. As hallusinations goes, you can see something in an area and some else can see nothing in the same area. What is proof the at the solder saw a child there?

3.No. Mere seconds ans they still were loading.

[Makrys]

Regardless, even if the kid was real during this scene, it does nothing to disprove the IT. In fact, it almost makes even more sense. It would just be a slightly different take on him. For example... the Reapers killed this child and they know Shepard saw it, so they use the form of this child in his dreams to break Shepard's will. It would be just another plausible view of the star child. So arguing that this scene is somehow evidence against the IT is pointless.

Modifié par Makrys, 01 juin 2012 - 05:11 .

[dreman9999]

RavenEyry wrote...

Watched it again, I don't see a soldier staring at the kid, but the shuttle does appear to wait for him.

Or waiting for the ok for it to leave. Note how know helps the child. Nothing to show he is real.

[Sal86]

If you're talking about the door in particular, it's not exactly 'locked'. The door itself does open, the red square just stays hovering there, in mid-air. This one I can chalk up as a glitch personally.

The whole thing with the kid though, that is pretty damn weird.

[RavenEyry]

Sal86 wrote...

If you're talking about the door in particular, it's not exactly 'locked'. The door itself does open, the red square just stays hovering there, in mid-air. This one I can chalk up as a glitch personally.

I take the kid to be real up until that point. The door sign remaining reeks of glitch, but blatantly showing the kid runing into a building that then explodes would be such a tremendous oversight if it doesn't mean anything.

[jijeebo]

Makrys wrote...

Regardless, even if the kid was real during this scene, it does nothing to disprove the IT. In fact, it almost makes even more sense. It would just be a slightly different take on him. For example... the Reapers killed this child and they know Shepard saw it, so they use the form of this child in his dreams to break Shepard's will. It would be just another plausible view of the star child. So arguing that this scene is somehow evidence against the IT is pointless.

- Claim something is evidence of IT
- People point out that it isn't
- Claim that that makes it better evidence of IT
- ????
- PROFIT!!!


P.S. if people hadn't pointed out that the kid is probably real, we wouldn't have given you an alternative that "almost makes even more sense"... So this argument was far from pointless no?

[jijeebo]

RavenEyry wrote...

Sal86 wrote...

If you're talking about the door in particular, it's not exactly 'locked'. The door itself does open, the red square just stays hovering there, in mid-air. This one I can chalk up as a glitch personally.

I take the kid to be real up until that point. The door sign remaining reeks of glitch, but blatantly showing the kid runing into a building that then explodes would be such a tremendous oversight if it doesn't mean anything.

That was a pretty deep and largely undamaged vent he hid in though.

I think it's either a little foreshadowing of his appearance inside (I mean he is easy to miss), or it's meant to make the player go "OH CRAP THE KID!!!" before running in and finding out he's alright... Only for him to die 5 minutes later.

[Mobius-Silent]

I cannot believe the level of confirmation bias here. This is _standard _ cinematography.
Show child to establish connection and state of normality
Show child running from monsters
Child runs out of sight and explosion rocks the area child couldn't have survived
Hero runs in, defeats monsters, child is still alive in air duct/cupboard
Later, child dies, illustrating how serious the situation is.

There is _nothing_ odd here *shakes head*

[TsaiMeLemoni]

jijeebo wrote...

- Game starts, Shep sees him playing

- Invasion starts

- He magics himself from the roof to that building, but given we don't know how much time actually passes between Shep seeing him on the roof and seeing him enter the building OR what he was doing during this time it's not impossible, just unlikely.

- He runs inside and shortly after husks appear and start banging on the side, probably why he ran inside and probably why the husks don't pay attention to Shepard, they're child hunting.

- The beam hits a little while later, but given everything that's happening it's likely that he hid well into the vent. Also the area of the room around the vent isn't actually damaged all that much, it's not like the building was a crater with nothing but an unharmed child standing in the middle of it.

- He hears Shep and Anderson and shuffles towards the entrance of the vent

- Chat with Shep

- Rest of Earth mission



That's my take on those events, indoctrination free for all your dietary needs.

This is my take. The area around the vent seems pretty clear of damage, and there's more than enough time for the kid to have gotten deep enough into the ventilation system to be fine by the time Shepard makes it to the building as it gets hit with the reaper beam.

This is the kind of argument/theorizing I love, because it's just a classic case of people seeing completely different results from the same set of data. I can't wait for the EC to be released so we can finally get all of our "I told you so's" out of the way, from whichever ends up being the dominant party, so that we can all stop trying to find the littlest of clues in the most mundane pieces of gameplay.

[IndridColdx]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

I cannot believe the level of confirmation bias here. This is _standard _ cinematography.
Show child to establish connection and state of normality
Show child running from monsters
Child runs out of sight and explosion rocks the area child couldn't have survived
Hero runs in, defeats monsters, child is still alive in air duct/cupboard
Later, child dies, illustrating how serious the situation is.

There is _nothing_ odd here *shakes head*

To some extent, I actually agree with you...I'm going to repost something I already have in this thread though that is the issue with me...here it is

I am in no way a conspiracy theorist for this game.  I am willing to overlook a lot of things.  For example...

[Stamina Rose wrote...
I would like to know how the kid climbed up the building, I looked around after seeing the kid run into the building and there is no way for him to get there.]

I am completely willing to overlook things like this.  I understand..... it's a videogame.  There's certain things that can happen that make a character seemingly do the impossible that can be a oops factor for writers and developers.  I GET it.  The issue to me is when there are a lot of 'small' errors that happen, like I described in my original post, that become a 'BIG' issue to me.  That's becoming exactly the case for the child.

It seems to me that Bioware almost HAS to go with the Indoctrination Theory or some rendition of it, otherwise they are making one of the most colossal mistakes they can possibly make in probably the biggest game they have ever created.

Modifié par IndridColdx, 01 juin 2012 - 05:40 .

[Seracen]

Makrys wrote...

If the IT is true, it could be presumed that the child was real until he ran into that room and was insta-fried. Then, since he was killed by the Reapers, becomes a hallucination in Shepard's mind. Otherwise, there is no way he could have survived that, much less completely unharmed as we see him. Nevertheless, you'll get tons of 'laziness' and 'artistic integrity' posts because people can't explain it. Outside of the IT, it can't be explained why he survived. Other than just Bioware screwing up once again because apparently they're all bumbling idiots.

I'm not predisposed to denying IT, in fact, I even canonized some aspects of it in my head.  It certainly offers a better explanation than what we get.  I totally accept it as one possible ending (although, to be fair, I mainly just head-canon my own version of the events so I can sleep at night, haha).

However, just to play devil's advocate, I assert that you can't exactly discount screw-ups in story-telling or gameplay.  For example: the glitch in ME2 whereby you can see TIM in the ceiling of the Collector Base...are we to assume TIM is a divine entity, or has holograms all over the place?  No, it was a simple glitch, most likely placed there b/c he shows up at the end to talk Shep into keeping the base.

Or heck, same game, during the "Rescue Garrus" mission, there's that random Varren that appears and disappears in front of the door upon re-entry into the base (when you are killing the Krogan Warlord of the Blood Pack).  Is it a mythic ghost Varren?  Has Shep tamed it to not attack his squad?  If so, I want one!

And while we're on the subject, why didn't the VS get captured, along with that one colonist from Horizon that we always see get liquified in the Collector Base?  They were maybe a few yards away from each other when they got frozen.

I, for one, could totally have seen justification for keeping VS out of the game if they were captured, and you rode in to rescue them at the end.  Also, this would have the added benefit of not setting up the VS as the "whiny backstabber" everyone complains about.

And of course, I would be remiss not to mention the always popular "Blade Runner" comparisons.  Which one will I discuss today?

Well, there's the whole "unicorn dream" sequence.  According to whom you ask, this was simply a test scene for Ridley Scott's next movie, "Legend," and was merely put into the film as justification for the money spent. 

However (and directly going against my previous arguments earlier), we CANNOT discount this as a valid addition to the storyline, as used in tandem with the matchstick figure at the end, it can be used to prove that Deckard is a Replicant.

So yeah, Arguments can be made for either case, I'm that kind of guy, .

[jijeebo]

In regards to how he go onto the ledge, it's entirely plausible that he got there through the building he runs back in to.


- Kid exits building, takes moment on ledge to catch his breath/have a cry

*husks start climbing side of building*

- Kid runs back inside building


That sort of deal. That's what I always thought anyway.