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[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

In regards to how he go onto the ledge, it's entirely plausible that he got there through the building he runs back in to.


- Kid exits building, takes moment on ledge to catch his breath/have a cry

*husks start climbing side of building*

- Kid runs back inside building


That sort of deal. That's what I always thought anyway.

How do the husk know where the kid ran off to when they came up way after the child ran into the building?

It's obvious that's why, they see the child, climb up after him and when they get to the top they see a building and start battering their way in. It's a game, not everything is going to be absolutely perfection.

Obvious? Husk have no minds...They don't think or calulate unless it a more advance type. It too dumb to think the kid is in that room. So, I'll ask agein...
How do the husk know where the kid is when they don't know which direction they went?

Zombies in movies always know where their target ran off to, and the building was RIGHT in front of them when they reached the top. Good Lord.


But i'm getting fed up of you throwing around shallow assumptions and then putting the burden of proof on the other person to disprove what you've decided happened, so here:

Prove he ISN'T real. Prove that between ME2 and ME3 Shepard has become so indoctrinated that he is hearing and seeing clear prolonged visions of a child that are so vivid he has ACTUAL conversations with it WHILST AWAKE.

PROVE IT.

1. This ia not a zombie moive.
2. It" clear that they don't sense organics like a blood hound because you can surprise attack them many times in the game....Can a husk sense a clocked infiltrator?Remeber surpize attacking them at the radio tower on palven's moon?

3.Notice how no one has not touched him ...ever?

[IndridColdx]

Lord Goose wrote...

the Rachni
Queen interpretation of indoctrination
nearly described what Shepards dream
sequence was like.

Rachni may not be indoctrinated. At very least true Queen is immune to ''voices'' as evident that she doesn't backstab you as false one does.
Reapers seems to be controlling her via devices which influence Rachni ''singing''.

Rachni may be indoctrinated.  It's ironic she described Shepards dream so accurately.  The point is this is one of many things that happen in the game supporting indoctrination that I could bring up.  

[Lamepro]

Should we ask Bioware that question?

[dreman9999]

Lord Goose wrote...

If the rachni were
immune the rachni war would have never
happened.

Reapers clearly have ways to control Rachni. They have their devices which influence their ways of communications.

Also, where is no such thing as ''not fully indoctrinated''. Indoctrinated can only kill itself to resist.

not true...Read Mass effect retrubution.Paul Grayson resisted indotrination for a week before they druged to make it easier. Also, when EDI finds her humanity, Shepard also brings this up in the conversation.

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...



Zombies in movies always know where their target ran off to, and the building was RIGHT in front of them when they reached the top. Good Lord.


But i'm getting fed up of you throwing around shallow assumptions and then putting the burden of proof on the other person to disprove what you've decided happened, so here:

Prove he ISN'T real. Prove that between ME2 and ME3 Shepard has become so indoctrinated that he is hearing and seeing clear prolonged visions of a child that are so vivid he has ACTUAL conversations with it WHILST AWAKE.

PROVE IT.

1. This ia not a zombie moive.
2. It" clear that they don't sense organics like a blood hound because you can surprise attack them many times in the game....Can a husk sense a clocked infiltrator?Remeber surpize attacking them at the radio tower on palven's moon?

3.Notice how no one has not touched him ...ever?

1. Husks are nothing more than mindless zombies, and ME is the closest thing to a movie I've ever seen in a video game.

2. They are already aware of the child when they reach the area, once a husk has seen you it pretty much chases you until you kill it.

3. That isn't proof as a soldier looks at him, try again.


Prove he ISN'T real. Prove that between ME2 and ME3 Shepard has become so indoctrinated that he is hearing and seeing clear prolonged visions of a child that are so vivid he has ACTUAL conversations with it WHILST
AWAKE.

PROVE IT.

Modifié par jijeebo, 02 juin 2012 - 12:09 .

[Mobius-Silent]

dreman9999 wrote...
Obvious? Husk have no minds...They don't think or calulate unless it a more advance type. It too dumb to think the kid is in that room. So, I'll ask agein...
How do the husk know where the kid is when they don't know which direction the child went?

Codex
It is believed the husks possess receptors that allow them to analyze a victim's DNA through sight, smell, or touch.

Like all good zombies, then can find you.

[Lord Goose]

Rachni may be indoctrinated.

In that case she is only one being who is able to resist Reapers control without suicide or Thorian spores. And if she can, the Reapers would have no way to control Rachni at all, because they're now immune to it.

[Lord Goose]

Paul Grayson resisted
indotrination for a week before they
druged to make it easier

He resisted transformation itself. After it was completed, he became pawn to Reapers. They actually imitated what he was able to overcome them to give him false sense of security.

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...



Zombies in movies always know where their target ran off to, and the building was RIGHT in front of them when they reached the top. Good Lord.


But i'm getting fed up of you throwing around shallow assumptions and then putting the burden of proof on the other person to disprove what you've decided happened, so here:

Prove he ISN'T real. Prove that between ME2 and ME3 Shepard has become so indoctrinated that he is hearing and seeing clear prolonged visions of a child that are so vivid he has ACTUAL conversations with it WHILST AWAKE.

PROVE IT.

1. This ia not a zombie moive.
2. It" clear that they don't sense organics like a blood hound because you can surprise attack them many times in the game....Can a husk sense a clocked infiltrator?Remeber surpize attacking them at the radio tower on palven's moon?

3.Notice how no one has not touched him ...ever?

1. Husks are nothing more than mindless zombies, and ME is the closest thing to a movie I've ever seen in a video game.

2. They are already aware of the child when they reach the area, once a husk has seen you it pretty much chases you until you kill it.

3. That isn't proof as a soldier looks at him, try again.


Prove he ISN'T real. Prove that between ME2 and ME3 Shepard has become
so indoctrinated that he is hearing and seeing clear prolonged visions
of a child that are so vivid he has ACTUAL conversations with it WHILST
AWAKE.

PROVE IT.

1. I'm sorry...I see these giant things called reapers invading from space...THis must some how make it a like a zombie movie....
2.You miss the fact that they don't know where the child went. As an infiltrator, I can have huck chasing me till the point I cloak my self. They go away once I do......Yet, they would magicly know where the child is even though the don't know where he went.
3. Prove that the soldier is looking at and sees the child. The solder look in child direction does mean he looking at the child.

[Lord Goose]

Paul Grayson resisted
indotrination for a week before they
druged to make it easier.

I read it. He only resisted transformation itself.

After it was completed, he became indoctrinated.

[IndridColdx]

Lord Goose wrote...

Rachni may be indoctrinated.

In that case she is only one being who is able to resist Reapers control without suicide or Thorian spores. And if she can, the Reapers would have no way to control Rachni at all, because they're now immune to it.

I'm not here to argue..  As I said before.  We can argue the specifics of how indoctrination works on the rachni all day if we wanted to.  The point is it's one of MANY things I could bring up to support IT. 

[Mobius-Silent]

IndridColdx wrote...
]Rachni may be indoctrinated.  It's ironic she described Shepards dream so accurately.  The point is this is one of many things that happen in the game supporting indoctrination that I could bring up.  

It's not ironic, it's fabricated.

"Songs the color of oils shadows" is just a visual/literal as "A sour yellow note" The Rachni queen't suffers from Synthesia when she tries to translate her communication into aural communication.

Also, fun point: the "oily shadows" in the dream aren't oily or shadows. The assets are described as "smoke" not even "shadows" just "smoke"

Go back and look at the dream, do they look "oily"? or like smoke?

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 02 juin 2012 - 12:15 .

[dreman9999]

Lord Goose wrote...

Paul Grayson resisted
indotrination for a week before they
druged to make it easier

He resisted transformation itself. After it was completed, he became pawn to Reapers. They actually imitated what he was able to overcome them to give him false sense of security.

It still means indoctriantion can be resisted. But Resist does not mean stop.

[IndridColdx]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...
]Rachni may be indoctrinated.  It's ironic she described Shepards dream so accurately.  The point is this is one of many things that happen in the game supporting indoctrination that I could bring up.  

It's not ironic, it's fabricated.

"Songs the color of oils shadows" is just a visual/literal as "A sour yellow note" The Rachni queen't suffers from Synthesia when she tries to translate her communication into aural communication.

Also, fun point: the "oily shadows" in the dream aren't either. The assets are described as "smoke" not even "shadows" just "smoke"

Go back and look at the dream, do they look "oily"? or like smoke?

Read my previous post

[Mobius-Silent]

IndridColdx wrote...
Read my previous post

I did, so tell me. what will you do when the EC contains no I.T. at all? I'm curious

[Erield]

dreman9999 wrote...

Mobius-Silent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
When was the last time in the game did you see a door open with the panel red?
And you still haven't given proof that the child is real. I can't believe we are starting with a "it's a glitch" arguement that you can't even prove..

In a UT3 scripted scene every _single_ element needs to be done manually, all the stuff you normally get fror free with AI-pawns is null and void. If you run a baked animation of a skeletal mesh running it will simply clip through anything in it's path, the mesh's real location is 0,0,0 so you need to run all the animations yourself because the normal trigger events _don't fire_

The fact that liara doesn't remember a relationship moment in LotSB, must be indoctrination. Some of the gun's look solid black when they're on the bench... indoctrination. The Illusive mans eyes aren't glowing in the cut-away on the Mars archive scene... indoctrination. Actually, after the last patch I think my frame rate dropped and my sound started getting glitchy... indoctrination

This would be _hilarious_ is it wasn't so terribly sad

Again...Proof...Give me proof that they made a mistake with the scene....You seem to think your assumtion is proof ...It's not.

Give proof that they didn't make a mistake with that scene.

You assume that the gun at the end of the game is proof of Indoctrination.  You assume that because you can walk through the Keeper, it's not really there, and so Indoctrination.  You assume that because there's trees pre-Harbinger that are in a slightly different place post-Harbinger that it's Indoctrination.  You assume that because a mound of bodies are seemingly made up of recycled Kaiden and Ashley bodies it's proof of Indoctrination.  You assume that because of the way a particular file is named, the end-planet that shows the Normandy crash is proof of Indoctrination.

Mobius-Silent gives evidence that is at least as compelling as any of that as to why, this particular scene, is very likely an accident.  The switch staying red and the doors opening would be an easy mistake that most people wouldn't notice.  How many people noticed it on their first playthrough?  Second?  Fourth?  How many didn't notice it at all until they read/saw something about it?  An easily over-looked minor scene is more than capable of having an easily over-looked, minor glitch.

Besides, the apparent proof is that the kid exists.  You are saying he doesn't, so the burden of proof is on you. 

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

1. Husks are nothing more than mindless zombies, and ME is the closest thing to a movie I've ever seen in a video game.

2. They are already aware of the child when they reach the area, once a husk has seen you it pretty much chases you until you kill it.

3. That isn't proof as a soldier looks at him, try again.


Prove he ISN'T real. Prove that between ME2 and ME3 Shepard has become
so indoctrinated that he is hearing and seeing clear prolonged visions
of a child that are so vivid he has ACTUAL conversations with it WHILST
AWAKE.

PROVE IT.

1. I'm sorry...I see these giant things called reapers invading from space...THis must some how make it a like a zombie movie....
2.You miss the fact that they don't know where the child went. As an infiltrator, I can have huck chasing me till the point I cloak my self. They go away once I do......Yet, they would magicly know where the child is even though the don't know where he went.
3. Prove that the soldier is looking at and sees the child. The solder look in child direction does mean he looking at the child.

1. Stop being pedantic.

2. You're comparing gameplay elements with story elements, cloak would be useless as a skill if everything still knew where you were. DERP.

3. No, I am not going and screengrabbing a cutscene and uploading it because you're being stubborn.


Let's try this a third time because I still haven't seen any "proof"



Prove he ISN'T real. Prove that between ME2 and ME3 Shepard has become so indoctrinated that he is hearing and seeing clear prolonged visions of a child that are so vivid he has ACTUAL conversations with it WHILST AWAKE.

PROVE IT.

Modifié par jijeebo, 02 juin 2012 - 12:20 .

[dreman9999]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...
]Rachni may be indoctrinated.  It's ironic she described Shepards dream so accurately.  The point is this is one of many things that happen in the game supporting indoctrination that I could bring up.  

It's not ironic, it's fabricated.

"Songs the color of oils shadows" is just a visual/literal as "A sour yellow note" The Rachni queen't suffers from Synthesia when she tries to translate her communication into aural communication.

Also, fun point: the "oily shadows" in the dream aren't oily or shadows. The assets are described as "smoke" not even "shadows" just "smoke"

Go back and look at the dream, do they look "oily"? or like smoke?

Those clearly are oliy shadows. They pop up when TIM controls Shepard and Anderson at the end of the game as well. And with bring that up adds a question....Does Shepard and Anderson have to have some form of indoctriantion first to be caontroled like that by TIM?

[IndridColdx]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

IndridColdx wrote...
Read my previous post

I did, so tell me. what will you do when the EC contains no I.T. at all? I'm curious

Read my earlier earlier post.

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

1. Husks are nothing more than mindless zombies, and ME is the closest thing to a movie I've ever seen in a video game.

2. They are already aware of the child when they reach the area, once a husk has seen you it pretty much chases you until you kill it.

3. That isn't proof as a soldier looks at him, try again.


Prove he ISN'T real. Prove that between ME2 and ME3 Shepard has become
so indoctrinated that he is hearing and seeing clear prolonged visions
of a child that are so vivid he has ACTUAL conversations with it WHILST
AWAKE.

PROVE IT.

1. I'm sorry...I see these giant things called reapers invading from space...THis must some how make it a like a zombie movie....
2.You miss the fact that they don't know where the child went. As an infiltrator, I can have huck chasing me till the point I cloak my self. They go away once I do......Yet, they would magicly know where the child is even though the don't know where he went.
3. Prove that the soldier is looking at and sees the child. The solder look in child direction does mean he looking at the child.

1. Stop being pedantic.

2. You're comparing gameplay elements with story elements, cloak would be useless as a skill if everything still knew where you were. DERP.

3. No, I am not going and screengrabbing a cutscene and uploading it because you're being stubborn.


Let's try this a third time because I still haven't seen any "proof"



Prove he ISN'T real. Prove that between ME2 and ME3 Shepard has become so indoctrinated that he is hearing and seeing clear prolonged visions of a child that are so vivid he has ACTUAL conversations with it WHILST AWAKE.

PROVE IT.

1. No, because I'm not wrong....It's not like a zombie movie...No one turns into a husk when they are bitten by  a husk.....Notlike a zombie movie at all.

2.Wasn't that Scene with the husk happening during gameplay?Oh...It was...

3.It has nothing to do with scene grabing. It about understanding perspectives....Can you look into the mind of that soldier and see the he is looking at a child or empty space?  Can you prove that he comprihends a child is there?
That's may point. You can't say he is looking at the child because we don't see any reaction.

[Lord Goose]

It still means indoctriantion can be
resisted.

We're talking about different things.
I mean that once somebody is under Reaper's control via indoctrination, it can only commit suicide.
That's not changed by the fact that somebody can resist falling under control for some time.

[Shallyah]

See, this is why these threads can't lead anywhere. Nobody has proof of anything, just believe what they want to believe and is like talking to brick walls.

Just wait for EC DLC and then there'll be time for pointing and laughing towards the appropriate side. Meanwhile, you're all just being idiotic tools that can't admit that none of you can be 100% sure of anything you're saying.

Modifié par Shallyah, 02 juin 2012 - 12:26 .

[dreman9999]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Obvious? Husk have no minds...They don't think or calulate unless it a more advance type. It too dumb to think the kid is in that room. So, I'll ask agein...
How do the husk know where the kid is when they don't know which direction the child went?

Codex
It is believed the husks possess receptors that allow them to analyze a victim's DNA through sight, smell, or touch.

Like all good zombies, then can find you.

But when did they have time to do that.? Why didn't the husk on the building Shepard came form go after the child?

[dreman9999]

Lord Goose wrote...

Paul Grayson resisted
indotrination for a week before they
druged to make it easier

He resisted transformation itself. After it was completed, he became pawn to Reapers. They actually imitated what he was able to overcome them to give him false sense of security.

Tranformate is a type of indoctriantion and he also heard whispers as well. They had to first indoctrinate he via limbic system first in order to do anything. It cleary can be resisted.

[dreman9999]

Erield wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Mobius-Silent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
When was the last time in the game did you see a door open with the panel red?
And you still haven't given proof that the child is real. I can't believe we are starting with a "it's a glitch" arguement that you can't even prove..

In a UT3 scripted scene every _single_ element needs to be done manually, all the stuff you normally get fror free with AI-pawns is null and void. If you run a baked animation of a skeletal mesh running it will simply clip through anything in it's path, the mesh's real location is 0,0,0 so you need to run all the animations yourself because the normal trigger events _don't fire_

The fact that liara doesn't remember a relationship moment in LotSB, must be indoctrination. Some of the gun's look solid black when they're on the bench... indoctrination. The Illusive mans eyes aren't glowing in the cut-away on the Mars archive scene... indoctrination. Actually, after the last patch I think my frame rate dropped and my sound started getting glitchy... indoctrination

This would be _hilarious_ is it wasn't so terribly sad

Again...Proof...Give me proof that they made a mistake with the scene....You seem to think your assumtion is proof ...It's not.

Give proof that they didn't make a mistake with that scene.

You assume that the gun at the end of the game is proof of Indoctrination.  You assume that because you can walk through the Keeper, it's not really there, and so Indoctrination.  You assume that because there's trees pre-Harbinger that are in a slightly different place post-Harbinger that it's Indoctrination.  You assume that because a mound of bodies are seemingly made up of recycled Kaiden and Ashley bodies it's proof of Indoctrination.  You assume that because of the way a particular file is named, the end-planet that shows the Normandy crash is proof of Indoctrination.

Mobius-Silent gives evidence that is at least as compelling as any of that as to why, this particular scene, is very likely an accident.  The switch staying red and the doors opening would be an easy mistake that most people wouldn't notice.  How many people noticed it on their first playthrough?  Second?  Fourth?  How many didn't notice it at all until they read/saw something about it?  An easily over-looked minor scene is more than capable of having an easily over-looked, minor glitch.

Besides, the apparent proof is that the kid exists.  You are saying he doesn't, so the burden of proof is on you. 

No, proof the kid esist at all. And being that we can't prove it the door is a mistake or not, no one can us it to prove or disporve anything. That still leave the child in a state of non exsistance.