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[upinya slayin]

its more skillfull then hitting LB RB over and over to spam warp and throw and make explosioins since it auto aims. and using a 1 shot sniper like a widow and getting 20 headshots take alot of skill. espicially when the enemy is moving and not just standing in cover. anytime you only have 1 bullet per clip and your aiming for the smallest part of a moving target and you get it takes skill. i know alot of people who can play well with a sniper but can do damage easily with BEs

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Fluffeh Kitteh wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Look, if you have fun doing this, then more power to you.  But I just don't get this claim that it requires a lot of skill.  Or any skill for that matter.  Do the people claiming this really believe it?

Cos you have to aim? That's like how sniping works in any game with snipers, not just the ones where the sniper can become invisible like Crysis.

I mean... aiming is a skill isn't it? Thats why sports like archery and shooting exist in real life?

And if you miss, what's the downside?  Sure, you need to aim to get a kill, but unlike your teammate armed with a shotgun, a miss will generally not result in you getting killed.  You are invisible after all, and probably far away from enemies.  You just have to reload and try again.

[N Malboeuf]

you guys really need to stop telling others how to play.
Last night this guy with low score started telling a Krogan Vangaurd to sit back in the bottom on FBWGG... So I shot him in the face (had no mike but bought one today for this very reason) and went and joined the Krogan
it was Glorious

we lost but it was awsome

cant all ways win

Modifié par N Malboeuf, 01 juin 2012 - 05:23 .

[OniGanon]

Please explain how spamming auto-aiming powers is a skillful activity.

Please explain how hitting someone from 10ft range with a giant circle for an aiming reticule is a skillful activity.

Please explain how aiming in the general direction of your enemy and holding the trigger down until it's dead is a skillful activity.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

OniGanon wrote...

Please explain how spamming auto-aiming powers is a skillful activity.

Please explain how hitting someone from 10ft range with a giant circle for an aiming reticule is a skillful activity.

Please explain how aiming in the general direction of your enemy and holding the trigger down until it's dead is a skillful activity.

Please stop trying to deflect attention from the topic at hand.  The question was not about those things.  It is specifically about the cloaked infiltrator sniper.

[NewStrings]

kyles3 wrote...

I find sniping impractical in this game--what with the screen shaking all the time and the constant need to quickscope enemies in close quarters--but I wouldn't call it easy. Those who can pull it off, more power to you.

The way I play it, the general idea is to avoid getting stuck in close quarters with an enemy. RETREAT!

Nah, seriously. Flanking is a bad playstyle? Sure. Okay.

[Ikilledkillab]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

OniGanon wrote...

Please explain how spamming auto-aiming powers is a skillful activity.

Please explain how hitting someone from 10ft range with a giant circle for an aiming reticule is a skillful activity.

Please explain how aiming in the general direction of your enemy and holding the trigger down until it's dead is a skillful activity.

Please stop trying to deflect attention from the topic at hand.  The question was not about those things.  It is specifically about the cloaked infiltrator sniper.

Exactly, they are conceding that sniping takes no skill. Essentially the response is "well spamming powers requires no skill either". They are offering a red herring argument. Welcome to the world of logical fallacies.

[Astartes Marine]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
And if you miss, what's the downside? Sure, you need to aim to get a kill, but unlike your teammate armed with a shotgun, a miss will generally not result in you getting killed. You are invisible after all, and probably far away from enemies. You just have to reload and try again.

The missed shot could lead the the downing of a squad member or a target surviving an assassination objective. Hacking the 4 objects and a Phantom wanders up? You're screwed if you keep hacking...oh wait, there's a sniper watching your back who just popped that fool's head like a melon. Every shot counts when you're playing the sharpshooter support guy.

[TheMightyG00sh]

It's not the "from distance whilst invisible" part whilst all your squaddies are alive it's the "clutching when Tactical Cloak is worth **** because all your squaddies are down" part. You ever tried lining up a headshot on a Marauder when Ravager are rocketing you from across the map, Brutes are trying to pummel you into the ground and a Banshee is teleporting upward?

[TheCinC]

Like others have said, you need aim. Have you seen a Phantom move? Try shooting one while they are doing a somersault. Then try to do that with an unforgiving, slow reloading weapon. Then try to do that when your teammates are dead and they all depend on you finishing the match. Or try to take out a Banshee fast enough before it instakills your teammates.

A good game is when you have a group of people, each with their own skill, each doing their job. If you have good sniper on your team, this is an asset. If you have an Asari Justicar on your team, rocking the map with biotic explosions, this is an asset. Don't complain when someone does their job well.

Modifié par TheCinC, 01 juin 2012 - 05:32 .

[Ean_Txelan]

To become a good sniper, you need skills.
To become a good soldier, you need skills.
To become a good ****hole, sadly, you need skills.

[Hex Code]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Hex Code wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Look, if you have fun doing this, then more power to you.  But I just don't get this claim that it requires a lot of skill.  Or any skill for that matter.  Do the people claiming this really believe it?

Not that I'm disputing your main point, but what in this game requires skill???  I keep hearing that stupid **** and it's as though people have never touched a shooter before.  This is not a skill based shooter.  Sniping is not hard.  Nor is using shotguns, pistols, etc.

It's my perception that sniping with an infiltrator requires less skill because the player really doesn't have to risk being harmed.  The non-infiltrator squadmates draw all the attention, and the potential damage, thus they need to use significantly more defensive tactics than someone that is invisible.  The invisible sniper generally stays out of harm's way.

It's a senseless argument though man.  Infitrators have cloak.  Yes,  most of the attention is on you.  There's no point to these discussions.  Love playing infiltrator just as much as the batarian, human soldier, and all of the other classes in the game.  If you dont' find sniping/camping fun don't do it.  You happen to come across a lobby with 3 infiltrators you may want to consider either running an infil yourself, or leaving the lobby.  

 

[Fluffeh Kitteh]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

And if you miss, what's the downside?  Sure, you need to aim to get a kill, but unlike your teammate armed with a shotgun, a miss will generally not result in you getting killed.  You are invisible after all, and probably far away from enemies.  You just have to reload and try again.

Yeah assuming a Geth Prime or Ravager doesn't send a couple of shots in your direction the second you decloak (not to mention the need to lean out of cover to use guns like BW or Raptor). It's true that snipers are far away, but that doesnt mean they'll never get hit. Not to mention snipers who scope a lot tend to have less situational awareness and are more likely to get flanked.

Also, reloading and trying again is not always an option. The enemy could have moved out of the sniper's field of vision, or it could have done something else. Missing a sniper shot on a centurion for instance, could mean a smoke grenade emerging between you and your target.

Modifié par Fluffeh Kitteh, 01 juin 2012 - 05:33 .

[Ikilledkillab]

Headshotting a phantom on the run with a widow does require a bit of practice. I'll grant that. Nothing like quickscoping one in the head on the move to make you feel all fuzzy and warm inside.

[dream3873]

Infiltrator is over hyped. Half of the people that play sniping infiltrators suck ass anyway.

[N Malboeuf]

we should just ban the Cerb Sniper, she's a cheater

[samb]

I know sniping is a lot easier in this game than say Battlefield 3 where you have to factor in bullet travel speed and bullet drop. Not so for ME3. Which is a good thing because I think sniping in BF3 is a bit too hard. ME3 gets it just right.

[guitarsniper]

So I'm assuming that when I snipe as a soldier, people aren't going to accuse me of playing easymode?

[CmnDwnWrkn]

You have some valid points. I think my opinion is based on seeing a lot of bad snipers out there. But I get what you're saying - to be a good sniper that really contributes a lot to the team takes skill.

So maybe it's more an observation that there are a lot of mediocre cloaked snipers.

[ETDM]

TheCinC wrote...

Like others have said, you need aim. Have you seen a Phantom move? Try shooting one while they are doing a somersault. Then try to do that with an unforgiving, slow reloading weapon. Then try to do that when your teammates are dead and they all depend on you finishing the match. Or try to take out a Banshee fast enough before it instakills your teammates.

A good game is when you have a group of people, each with their own skill, each doing their job. If you have good sniper on your team, this is an asset. If you have an Asari Justicar on your team, rocking the map with biotic explosions, this is an asset. Don't complain when someone does their job well.

And how does one do that?

Is there a sure way to do it besides spilling soda in my lap and accidetally firing?

[spyro396]

Creakazoid wrote...

Is spamming auto-aim powers more skillful than manual aiming?

THIS.

[N Malboeuf]

dream3873 wrote...

Infiltrator is over hyped. Half of the people that play sniping infiltrators suck ass anyway.

my lvl 12 GI was the last mast standing in gold lvl 10 on the weekend and I had 12 Cerbs, 1 Atlas, 1 Banshee left
every one waited and like usually the GI saved the day

Skill? in the take down yea, in the shooting na, GI is to easy to screw up

Modifié par N Malboeuf, 01 juin 2012 - 05:36 .

[Fluffeh Kitteh]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
So maybe it's more an observation that there are a lot of mediocre cloaked snipers.

I think we have mediocre people in every combat role anyway. Like the vanguard who recklessly charges a banshee, or the AA who knows not how to detonate explosions, etc.

[Astartes Marine]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

You have some valid points. I think my opinion is based on seeing a lot of bad snipers out there. But I get what you're saying - to be a good sniper that really contributes a lot to the team takes skill.

So maybe it's more an observation that there are a lot of mediocre cloaked snipers.

That and there's alot of lone wolves out there.  That's a bad attitude to take into a team-based game. 

[OniGanon]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

OniGanon wrote...

Please explain how spamming auto-aiming powers is a skillful activity.

Please explain how hitting someone from 10ft range with a giant circle for an aiming reticule is a skillful activity.

Please explain how aiming in the general direction of your enemy and holding the trigger down until it's dead is a skillful activity.

Please stop trying to deflect attention from the topic at hand.  The question was not about those things.  It is specifically about the cloaked infiltrator sniper.

Not deflecting anything. Making the point that playing Infiltrator takes as much skill as any other playstyle in this game.