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[DerberAuner]

SanguineRose wrote...

DerberAuner wrote...

SanguineRose wrote...

...Nor is it anywhere NEAR that complicated. It's just a game, if you're feeling like that, you're probably taking it too seriously.

or hes, you know, playing on a difficulty where its actually a bit more demanding than some might think.
though i agree, a bit over the top

I dunno, I've played an Infiltrator on Gold. Never got like that...

ever play anything other that geth  and fb white?

but yeah, like i said, a bit over the top;

[rtwebre]

I'm confused, so having pinpoint accuracy is not skillful?

[DerberAuner]

rtwebre wrote...

I'm confused, so having pinpoint accuracy is not skillful?

yeah, thats what i thought too

[MinatheBrat]

A skill is something you can put on a resume.

[sliverofamoon]

The OP is just too rediculous to even humor answering with any sort of intelligence.

[toastar]

I play mostly infiltrator on gold, and I agree that it's not a particularly difficult class to play, mainly due to the added surviveability of the TC.

But if it took no skill at all, there wouldn't be the huge spread i've seen in random games between infiltators of various kinds.

Some of it may be PC related, as we have no autoaim, but still I've seen Infs doing all sort of crazy stuff, expecially during objectives, and shooting like blind moles during a foggy night.

[SanguineRose]

toastar wrote...

I play mostly infiltrator on gold, and I agree that it's not a particularly difficult class to play, mainly due to the added surviveability of the TC.

But if it took no skill at all, there wouldn't be the huge spread i've seen in random games between infiltators of various kinds.

Some of it may be PC related, as we have no autoaim, but still I've seen Infs doing all sort of crazy stuff, expecially during objectives, and shooting like blind moles during a foggy night.

Well that's the difference between taking no skill and applying skill to it. Just because it takes little to no skill doesn't mean there aren't truly skillful infiltrators out there. The average infiltrator is just a dweeb with a sniper rifle, though :/

[toastar]

Out of curiousity, how does auto aim work on the consoles with snipers?

Modifié par toastar, 01 juin 2012 - 10:33 .

[DerberAuner]

SanguineRose wrote...

toastar wrote...

I play mostly infiltrator on gold, and I agree that it's not a particularly difficult class to play, mainly due to the added surviveability of the TC.

But if it took no skill at all, there wouldn't be the huge spread i've seen in random games between infiltators of various kinds.

Some of it may be PC related, as we have no autoaim, but still I've seen Infs doing all sort of crazy stuff, expecially during objectives, and shooting like blind moles during a foggy night.

Well that's the difference between taking no skill and applying skill to it. Just because it takes little to no skill doesn't mean there aren't truly skillful infiltrators out there. The average infiltrator is just a dweeb with a sniper rifle, though :/

im not sure actually....  i usually dont check how other players are playing since i usually focus on doing MY best.
i honestly cant tell how most infiltrators play, though i have to say it saddens me when after the game i find out some infiltrator didnt pull his twenty headshots. i mean, i do that with a goddamn phaeston and a soldier, with an infiltrator and a sniper rifle its really not that hard.

[SanguineRose]

The game's not about headshots. Not even if you're an Infiltrator.

And you SHOULD be concerned with how other players are doing, the primary basis of the game being cooperative play :/

[toastar]

The thing with headshots though, and the reason you see so many rubbish Infs sporting BWs, is that the shield Gate negates the use of Headshots with most heavy snipers against most enemies.

I actually get way more headshots playing as a AA stasis-sniper with a M-77 or carnifex than playing as a BW infiltrator.

I still tend to get my 20 HSs as an Inf, but only because sometimes headshots present themselves when shooting enemies behind cover or they're coming up a ramp or are guardians. Sweet, juicy guardians.

Modifié par toastar, 01 juin 2012 - 10:29 .

[DerberAuner]

SanguineRose wrote...

The game's not about headshots. Not even if you're an Infiltrator.

And you SHOULD be concerned with how other players are doing, the primary basis of the game being cooperative play :/

not really, the game is about killing the wave/ fullfilling the objective. helping your mates helps you, but thats the end of the "cooperative" theme there.

if i hear "squadmate down", do i check if he/she is nearby and i can cloaked revive him/her? sure. do i stay inside the  blue circle for the hack objectives? sure. as an infiltrator, do i run from laptop to laptop in the "hack the terminals" objective or protect the one hacking? sure. but thats not really being cooperative, thats just common sense.

and the game is about doing damage, so you should try to get headshots, especially as infiltrator. if you cant get 20 HS in one game as an infiltrator, you just suck. thats that.

hell, i get that damn achievements with shotguns close range. though that might be easier, not quite sure, dont ply much close range.

and just to point that one out too: getting medals gets you more xp. so if you really play "cooperatively" you should try to get as many as you can. and like i said earlier, getting 20 HS with an infiltrator, childs play-> easy medal-> more xp fore you and your mates.

[Drummernate]

Ahhh...

Add this to the list of "I just got outscored by an Infiltrator for the umpteenth time." threads.


Geth Infiltrator forever.

( Ò) Deal with it.

[taomang]

As long as we win and i get my credits, i don't care what people think or how they play.

[DerberAuner]

toastar wrote...

The thing with headshots though, and the reason you see so many rubbish Infs sporting BWs, is that the shield Gate negates the use of Headshots with most heavy snipers against most enemies.

I actually get way more headshots playing as a AA stasis-sniper with a M-77 or carnifex than playing as a BW infiltrator.

I still tend to get my 20 HSs as an Inf, but only because sometimes headshots present themselves when shooting enemies behind cover or they're coming up a ramp or are guardians. Sweet, juicy guardians.

no idea about the black widow, dont have that sr yet, play mostly with a viper. also, what do you mean by "shield gate"? the whole stasis bubble thing, i can understand, its not exactly difficult to hit a non moving target

[toastar]

I can get way more than 20 Hs per game, but why would I? A Bodyshot from my BW coming out of TC drops almost any mob, so why waste time and aim for the head when there's no need to?

Modifié par toastar, 01 juin 2012 - 10:48 .

[stysiaq]

That's why I play only chargeless Human Vanguard. This build requires skill!

[sliverofamoon]

taomang wrote...

As long as we win and i get my credits, i don't care what people think or how they play.

Bravo sir, bravo.

[BouncyFrag]

I think that positioning is a big part of ME in general. I'm not a great Infiltrator and its usually cause I'm in a bad spot or find myself getting swarmed.

[InfamousResult]

I will say this:

There is a pretty stupid-wide margin for error with headshots in this game. It certainly takes a lot less skill to score them in Mass Effect 3's Multiplayer than in, say, most other games that make use of Sniper Rifles. A person could be a terrible sniper in another game, come here, and get All Teh Headsh0tz.

So.. I certainly wouldn't brag about it.

[bloodstalker1973]

Different snipers play at different levels. I've been in games with an Infiltrator and was just swamped with Phantoms, or taking rockets to the face at every turn. That's not a skilled sniper to me.

I've also been in games with an Infiltrator and rarely saw Phantoms, and didn't feel nearly as much heat from rockets and such. That's because the Infiltrator didn't just get good at popping headshots, they got good at seeing the battlefield and prioritizing their shots. A good sniper can really take the heat off the other players by making it a point to remove the more dangerous enemies as fast as possible. I'll take the added aggression when a sniper cloaks if that means the sniper is taking out the things that are most likely to kill me.

It's not the mechanical things like headshots that make a good Sniper player skilled. It's the way a really good sniper can change the battlefield by knowing what targets to take out first to drop the threat level.for everyone else. That requires learning to see the whole battlefield and being able to stay aware of whats going on at any given part of the map instead of just taking out a bunch of low level troops and leaving the Ravagers, Geth Rocket Launchers and Phantoms because they might be in places that make the shot a little more difficult.

[GroverA125]

DerberAuner wrote...

toastar wrote...

The thing with headshots though, and the reason you see so many rubbish Infs sporting BWs, is that the shield Gate negates the use of Headshots with most heavy snipers against most enemies.

I actually get way more headshots playing as a AA stasis-sniper with a M-77 or carnifex than playing as a BW infiltrator.

I still tend to get my 20 HSs as an Inf, but only because sometimes headshots present themselves when shooting enemies behind cover or they're coming up a ramp or are guardians. Sweet, juicy guardians.

no idea about the black widow, dont have that sr yet, play mostly with a viper. also, what do you mean by "shield gate"? the whole stasis bubble thing, i can understand, its not exactly difficult to hit a non moving target

It's a feature that lessens your damage when dealing damage to health under shields. Say you shoot a Centurion, if he has shields, then a percentage of your damage (dependent on your difficulty) will be removed from any damage that hits the health. On gold, it completely removes all health damage when the bullet also hits shields. Meaning that one-shot weapons require two shots to kill shielded units, no matter how much damage you give them.

Note that the Kishock is immune to this feature, and all damage will transfer through to health without any percentage loss.

[toastar]

DerberAuner wrote...

no idea about the black widow, dont have that sr yet, play mostly with a viper. also, what do you mean by "shield gate"? the whole stasis bubble thing, i can understand, its not exactly difficult to hit a non moving target

I get more HS on a stasis sniper mainly because I have to, not just because its easier.

And shield gate on Gold means that as long as there is one bar of shield, you deal no damage to the health bar, your shot just takes out the shield, no matter how powerful. Any shielded enemy therefore needs two hits at least, even if it's just a Nemesis with 1 health and 1 shield bar and you have a fully specced Javelin with every buff under the sun.

If your Headshot deals 5000 damage and your enemy has 2000 shield+2000 health you'll still need 2 shots.
If your bodyshot deals 2001 damage, you'll drop him just as well in two shots.

Modifié par toastar, 01 juin 2012 - 10:52 .

[Captain Funky Blimp]

MinatheBrat wrote...

A skill is something you can put on a resume.

Best post ever.

[toastar]

Dude, I'd totally hire a pair of good AAs.