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Count Viceroy

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Skellimancer wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...
Meh,
I just wished the game allowed us to kill him with our trusty pocked
knife or something equally gory. Instead he gets the final word and
just dies on the floor. I mean you can splice brother genitivi's skull
with with a throwing dagger, very anti climactic to have howe
just...die.


That he gets the last word is a natural clause for any villain played by Tim Curry. Or it should be at least.


Howe: "makerspit on-"
with ears covered: "LALALALALA! I'M NOT LISTENING!"
Howe: "I hate you!" *dies*



You could do it hespith style.

La....la....la....la....la

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 11 décembre 2009 - 05:46 .


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Count Viceroy wrote...

GmanFresh wrote...

howe's kill was the most enjoyable part of the game. more than logain or the archdemon


Meh, I just wished the game allowed us to kill him with our trusty pocked knife or something equally gory. Instead he gets the final word and just dies on the floor. I mean you can splice brother genitivi's skull with with a throwing dagger, very anti climactic to have howe just...die.


And that with all the torture chambers so near (which are obviously in use). Normally I'm not into that kind of thing in my game but I was tempted to create that part in my head a bit different RP-wise. Noble origins have a pretty intense ending.

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I would have liked a quick time option to interrupt his last words and just put an axe in his head or jab him a few more times with my sword. It's hardly necessary, but it would have been awesome.

Modifié par TheRealIncarnal, 11 décembre 2009 - 05:52 .


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The biggest thing is that unlike you, your character doesn't have knowledge of how the story plays out. At Ostagar he isn't expecting a betrayal by Loghain, and the battle against the Darkspawn appears to be going well. Furthermore as a Cousland your ultimate duty is to Ferelden, and the Darkspawn are at least gnawing at your nation's borders. As much as he might desire immediate retribution, he would probably also realize that wasn't possible with the King and most of the Army about to go into battle against the Darkspawn. If you ask the King what punishment he has in mind for Howe, he promises you that he will hang after Ostagar. Since the character has no reason to believe that Howe is part of an intricate plot aimed at killing the king, he would fully expect that Howe would be swiftly dealt with after Ostagar, as the King promised.

At best the human noble character at Ostagar probably thinks Howe is just settling old scores. Before Ferelden had been united Highever was once subordinate to Amaranthine, and only became a seperate arling after a successful rebellion against Amaranthine. Also during the war with Orlais your family's soldiers seized a town from the Howes to prevent it's use by the Orlesians, before the Howes had also thrown their lot in with King Maric. (I suppose the Howes were colloborating with the occupation at that time) The human noble character, without knowledge of Loghain's involvement, probably just thinks Howe had inteded to accuse your family of conspiring against the King to justify the seizing of Highever. By escaping with Duncan (who can back up your version of the events) the human noble probably thinks he's already unravelled Howe's plans, and with the King's support Howe is as good as dead.

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It's too bad you can't use the murder knife on Howe, Loghain, and Cauthrien when the three of them confront you in Denerim.



C-C-C-COMBO!!!

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Two more and you'd hear Duncan's voice.



"Killing spree!"

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I just did this one. My character was VERY bent on revenge for a while. I sassed the king a bit by asking him what he knew of my grief, and was basically moody and unapologetic at first. Even in the Kocari Wilds, after being rescued by Flemeth, I made sure everyone knew that I still wanted to find Fergus. I went to Redcliffe first, and when Ser Perth addressed me, I made sure that he called me "milord." But the longer my character stayed with Alistair and saw the state of the world, he began to see it as his responsibility to fight the Blight. And he'd been interested in the Wardens before his family's death, so it wasn't like he was forced into something he found distasteful. He was just consumed by his grief and his vengeance at first. By the time Wynne joins the group and realizes he's a Cousland, he tells her not to call him "milord" because he's a Warden now. Of course, any time Howe's name comes up, he goes a bit apoplectic. And he had to be warned several times not to endanger Anora by being reckless in the Arl's estate during the rescue mission. He fully intended to kill that man, though, and would have torn the whole place apart looking for him no matter what.



Anyway, that's just how I balanced it. By the end, my character had sated his need for vengeance and was happy in the Wardens. So happy he decided to stay and help them rebuild (with Zev at his side, of course).

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My character is somewhat more concentrated on revenge.

How much so? Well, Amaranthine should consider itself lucky nobody's invented firebombing yet...

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The Angry One wrote...

My character is somewhat more concentrated on revenge.
How much so? Well, Amaranthine should consider itself lucky nobody's invented firebombing yet...

All you need is a balloon and some Mages.

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I would like to see DLC where you clear out Arl Howe's holdings. Maybe to solidify your powerbase before the Landsmeet or as an action right after the end of the main story line.

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Taleroth wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

My character is somewhat more concentrated on revenge.
How much so? Well, Amaranthine should consider itself lucky nobody's invented firebombing yet...

All you need is a balloon and some Mages.


This is true.... *insert evil laughter accompanied by thunderclap here*

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OneBadAssMother wrote...

GmanFresh wrote...

howe's kill was the most enjoyable part of the game. more than logain or the archdemon


Actually I found it the most disappointing, too quick a death for a man who betrayed and murdered your entire family. Would have liked a scene akin to the killing of Ser Jory or the templar in the alienage. Hell would have just liked a proper bloody finish really.

Speaking of which, someone has to mod it one day. If they can make a 'slap Morrigan' up mod, they can make this killing a lot better.

Revenge is a dish best served cold.


Indeed, what the hell. The main character should have bent down a slit Howe's throat slowly as he begun to say his last words.

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Well my human noble wanted to become a Grey Warden. It was pretty clear to me before Howe's betrayal that my role as the youngest was going to be small and I craved adventure. And even during the fight with Howe your mother is more concerned about her grandchild being killed rather than who is still alive. In my case Howe just beat me too it.

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My human noble was angry at Duncan, but honored her father's request, as it was his dying wish.



I might have had mercy on Howe had there been an option. Mercy being that he submits to the law. As he had no plans of doing so, I became the law.



My main concern was fulfilling my father's dying wish and if that meant he wanted me to be a Grey Warden to accomplish that, that's what I would do. It meant staying alive to see justice done, which involved the restoration of the Cousland lands and name, also as my father requested. If Cailan hadn't died suddenly...it would have been handled there, as I brought it to the King's attention, but it then fell to me to avenge Cailan AND my parents AND be a Grey Warden.



So as a result, my duty isn't really fulfilled until the Blight is gone, as my father wished for me to take on the mantle of a Grey Warden and I did so.



It was about duty and carrying out all the orders that my father's dying wish laid upon me. I got much more satisfaction having Howe say that I had the look in the eye that my father had, than I did in killing him. Killing him only was a function of their being no law to turn him over to.


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Maconbar wrote...

I would like to see DLC where you clear out Arl Howe's holdings. Maybe to solidify your powerbase before the Landsmeet or as an action right after the end of the main story line.


This would be a first day purchase for me.

And to the person who said "use the torture devices"...l say we need Resurrect just for this.

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Just completed my first run through as a human noble, i found that even though revenge was very much a factor it was not the overiding factor...blight first...revenge second, as many posters have said the stories progression meant revenge came in time and when the opportunity arose it was always going to result in Howes death.


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Servant of Nature wrote...

I really wish there were more 'I am totally depressed right now' options. Alistair gets to complain about Duncan for ages and we only get to say "Oh yeah well my family got murdered" kind of in passing..


Amen. The origins really get shelved fast as any factor in the game, and considering how nasty tend to be, I find that pretty sad. The resolution with Howe wasn't too satisfying, either.

And I think it's easy to justify going with Duncan for a number of reasons: 1) You have nothing else left, 2) Fergus and your troops are there, 3) so are, most likely, the family's allies and their troops who might help you after the darkspawn are dealt with, 4) the king is known as a good guy who surely won't stand for this atrocity. Once you're there the darkspawn threat becomes quite real -- I think most people who've never seen one would be shaken to the core and realize these ... things have to be stopped

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First human noble playthrough (which was my first completion) my noble whilst honorbound had a fighter spirit in her and she basically vowed that if her path crossed that of Howe's she would make him pay (specially after what happened at Ostagar and it was obvious there was no way for her to do it via the law).



Got 2 more human nobles lined up, one is majorly honor/duty bound and wanted to join the wardens anyway, but again, Howe will pay for his actions if the situation arises. The other is a rebel, he didn't like Howe much to begin with and as his men also killed Iona as well as his parents, there will be blood, 2nd noble playthrough will take subtle approach when going to the denerim estate, 3rd one, will be a bloodbath. None of this subtle mularkey, party will be PC, Shale, Wardog and a shapeshifted Morrigan. Animal instincts will rise and make a meal of all whom serve Howe. Course, once his bloodlust has been fulfilled with Howe's death he'll willingly surrender to Ser Cauthrien because he has a thing for her and actually thinks the whole Loghain situation was Howe's doing. He'll marry Anora, spare Loghain and do the ritual with Morrigan and thus the Couslands will have arisen to a higher level and then... we shall have peace.



Definitly think they should have tried implementing the 'interupt' conversation thing that they are putting into Mass Effect.



Howe: I des...

*PC gives Shale the nod to stomp on Howe's head before he can finish the sentence he speaking*

PC: Yes you deserved being made squishy goo

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highcastle wrote...

I just did this one. My character was VERY bent on revenge for a while. I sassed the king a bit by asking him what he knew of my grief, and was basically moody and unapologetic at first.


I tried this once just to see his reaction and I have to say I was disappointed he was so polite and understanding.  He's just offered his sympathies and promised to march his whole army over to your place TOMORROW and still he has to put up with this whiny crap?  And Duncan has to step in and apologize for your behavior?  Should have backhanded my PC and told me to suck it up.  Darkspawn to kill.  Country to save.  Howe will keep for a day.  I'm your bloody king, etc.
Would have been a good way to have your PC start out as a spoiled and grief-stricken youth and then quickly get a harsh dose of "big picture" thrown at you.  Though I suppose the massacre at Ostagar accomplishes a bit of that.  Still hate seeing how little consequence some of the selfish dialogue has in this game.

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They should have had a special optional sequence for a human noble when defeating Howe if you also have a Spirit Healer type mage in group (best if it is Morrigan) where there is the option to bounce Howe off the walls / torture him / whatever and then revive him after and start again.

Or if Zevran is in the group you totally go psycho on Howe and get Zev to give you some critique on your handywork

Or of both in party get them to give scores for style etc

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Servant of Nature wrote...

My Cousland girl loved her family, especially her father... his last request was that she do her duty to Ferelden. That pretty much beats the crap out of any other RP reason I might've made. Helps that I imagine her as a complete daddy's girl too. I really wish there were more 'I am totally depressed right now' options. Alistair gets to complain about Duncan for ages and we only get to say "Oh yeah well my family got murdered" kind of in passing..

Very much agreed, here. My young Cousland set up with the Wardens purely due to it being the dying wish of a father she was still trying to will back to life through sheer breaking optimism.

That said, his wishes didn't stop me from wanting to leap on and strangle Duncan the first thing after we got to Ostagar for taking my warhound away - there's a huge missed opportunity in that you never actually get the option to hug your faithful puppy and have a personal moment of relentless angst over prior events just to get all that grief out of your system. I would've loved for there to be an opportunity to just snuggle up to the dog for five some minutes and sniffle before getting up and ready to bash in some Darkspawn.

The end result tends to be that my Cousland girl usually reaches Lothering in a state largely apathetic and drained of anything that could be even remotely considered emotion, thus slaughtering the bandits at the entrance in cold blood because there's no real mercy left to be had.. <_<

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Glad someone made this topic. The human noble origin is by far my favorite, right next to dwarf noble/commoner.

I used to write a lot and I tend to get stuck in a character's head for days. My guy had a single drive, be the best warrior he can be and help his family. His drive was so great he tended to ignore the ladies, and was completely clueless on picking up Leliana's signals when she was interested in having him in her bedroll. I had to think what his upbringing was, how he learned to fight, his day to day activities when he was a child noble, when he first got his mabari war hound, etc.

He never wanted to be a Grey Warden, which makes the final conversation with his father and mother a little more touching, "I will Father. For you."

Throughout the journey he kept his past to himself, when Alistair asked if he lost anyone he kept it to himself, same with Wynne, he never revealed that his father was a Teryn or that he was a Cousland to other NPC's. His desire to be good willed stems from his upbringing and what his mother said "Live. Be a Grey Warden and do what is right."

The only time he acted out of pure hatred and malice was with Arl Howe's fight. What a satisfying encounter...could have been more but whatever.

<3 human noble origin.

Modifié par Mueller86, 12 décembre 2009 - 02:44 .


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Hmm well my female noble pc wasn't really into being a grey warden. while she was curious about them and she did have a thirst for adventure, she was needed at home to watch the fort, literally. she was never one to shirk her duties, but she wasn't the straight laced, prim and proper lady her motehr wished her to be either. she was mischevious, a tomboy, and maybe even a little over indulged as the baby, but also tried to be dependable, responsible, and always tried to the the right thing. i dunno, maybe a bit like alistair? in reality though, she really did want to serve with her brother and father more than anything.



she was livid at duncan when she was conscripted. more than that. hell i'm surprised they didn't show her being dragged out by duncan. how could my pc just leave her parents behind to their deathes? they were still alive, they could have been saved. She didn't care if her father was bleeding, he still had a breath in his lungs and a pulse in his heart, so he could have been saved. There was more that could have been done, and it really felt like she had just abandoned everything to save her own skin. It bothered her; her family, friends and home were way more important than her and she held a deep mistrust and anger towards Duncan. After reaching Ostagar, her goal was to find Fergus. Since the mystical powers that is Bioware prevented the players from leaving the map to frolic off into the world, she begrudingly decided to go forward with being a warden and wait for her brother. She never really did respect Duncan fully, besides the conscription thing, ganking Ser Jory like that was wrong. What a bully.



After Flemmeth saved her, as seflish as it sounds, the first thing that came to her mind was finding her brother and praying that he was safe. Coming outside the hut though, I think that's when she started to become more aware of the world and everyone else in it. Because she saw Alistair and he was relieved that she was alive. I think she understood his feelings at that time, the feeling of utter despair, of being completely alone and having nothing left. To have something precious stolen away from you, to wish there was more that you could have done, the feelings of inadequicies of why you weren't there with them during the final seconds and why you are here now, instead of them. I think those were the silent feelings they both understood in that moment, but Alistair had found a little respite with my PC's survival, if only briefly. And for that, she just wanted to be a little stronger. She HAD to be stronger in order to push forward, for the both of them.



She still wanted to look for Fergus, but Morrigan was right in that finding him in the Wilds was not the best way to go about it (funny how meta game knowledge proves otherwise though). So while finding Fergus and revenge on Howe was always a priority, it was a silent one. She kept her feelings about her past to herself, except when asked (both Morrigan and Alistair ask too btw). She had nothing to hide but never wanted to be a downer, especially since she kind of took up the role to always be the group motivator as well as the leader. I think it may have also been a bit theraputic for her as well to help her friends solve their problems. She never brought it up herself though because she didn't want to burden anyone with her own problems. I think a part of her was also ashamed about her selfish desire to find her brother and get revenge on Howe. What would her friends have thought? I mean it works out that Howe was dealt with evnetually, but I know had there been an option or side quest kind of thing to either find Fergus or kill Howe in the middle of all the army questing, I would have taken it in a heart beat, and I wonder how much approval I would have lost with my party.



Being with her companions all the time though helped. It really helped heal a lot of the bitterness she held for the misfortune she had earlier. Alistair especially. Not that her other companions weren't friendly (except Morrigan), but she just always felt at ease with him. They coudl laugh, have fun, he could always cut the tension somehow, and you know he went out of his way just to make her feel a little more at ease with a bad situation. There were plenty of times he was being stupid on purpose, and it was appreciated. So in time, questing became less about herself and more about "for her friends", and "for the people" until it was finally "for Fereldan". It took a lot of time before she grew into her grey warden role. At first it was forced, and mechanic, but over time it became natural. She always tried to do the right thing as a Cousland, and there was no shortage of oppertunity for that as a grey warden. Somewhere a long the lines she must have forgotten that they were two distinctly different things.



The Sacred Ashes part was tough for my pc. The Gatekeeper asked her about her feelings on leaving her family behind. She lied. She wanted to say that she felt shame for abandoning her parents (paraphrase of one of the options) but she instead said she did not, because she needed to live for find Fergus. It renewed her guilt from that night. In reality, she believed Fergus to be dead - lost to the darkspawn either before or during the raid at Ostagar. Seeing her father's specter a few moments later made her feel even more empty. With Arl Eamon restored to good health though, and her armies/party marching to Denerim it was really only a matter of time before she would have her revenge.



It was a very empty one all in all. In some kind of weird twist of fate, my pc killed him near some furniture alongside the wall and his body was positioned funny. Well the collision was a bit weird around there so it was a pain trying to position myself *just right* so I could pick up the items off his persons. It was like even in the death he had to have the last laugh.



I can fully understand Alistair's rage and hatred toward Loghain because of my own pc's personal vendetta's toward Howe. She would have probably acted the same way had Hower been invited to the party. I don't think she would have quit being a warden, but I'm sure she would have left the party. There was no working beside a man like that.



You know the weird thing about all of this is when it came time to kill Loghain, my pc couldn't do it. I do think this is the one time she avoided her responsibility and let someone else do it for her. Interesting that Alistair would so readily take it too. I think she would have been able to do it had Anora not been there, but since she was, I believe she empathize with the Queen and her feelings to want to save her father. I think she also understands that given the chance, Anora will probably do everything in her power to destroy them later on.



It was also a little ironic at the end too. My pc didn't take Morrigan's offer first time around and sacrificed herself. Not just to save the man she grew to love, or to prevent hellspawn from being born or go against everything she and Alistair stood for as individuals, and grey wardens, but to be reunited with her family in the Maker's presence and Andraste's embrace. After all that, Fergus lived. He was the one she hoped and prayed for to find and when she had finally given up, he managed to scrape himself up and out of hell just a moment too late.



Wow, totoally didnt mean to write a book here, but yeah, that's how my human noble pc was first played out. Oh and as an off note, i know some people question Cousland ability to lead or say that (s)he isn't the next in line for Highever, but if you talk to the one bi dude you can bed, he actually says that most people and nobles acknowledge you as a very capable, eligible young noble and that you are actually favored over your brother as the next in line for succession of Highever.

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For my character he accepts that his father's dying wish, is for him to go to Ostagar, that means joining the Grey Wardens, revenge is still high priority there's just an obstacle in the way. Upon arriving at Ostagar the King promises that Howe will hang for what he's done, not the slow personal death I would like but it will have to do. At this point the thirst for vengeance cools with the knowledge that it is now a matter of when as opposed to if or how my PC will have his revenge. After the betrayal at Ostagar the PC commits to stopping the Blight because, A) He's had time to cool down and B) it is of far more pressing concern: you don't fight your brother for ruining your sand castle when a tidal waves going to wipe out the beach. Not to mention the fact that if the Blight isn't stopped the PC's revenge will be bitter sweet at best.



A small part of me wished I could tell Wynne to heal Howe before he dies and haul him off to torture him personally but alas t'was not meant to be.

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Just remember to vie for the throne yourself. As a Male Human Noble, one should keep in mind that Alistair's forefather originally forced the Couslands to 'join or die.' They had their chance at keeping Ferelden safe and prosperous, and what happened? Yep, they lost the Kingdom to Orlais, regained control, then lost it again.

Very weak blood, then.

As one of the oldest families and one which has ALWAYS stood for Ferelden's people and not just whomever happens to be wearing the crown, the last Cousland should consider it his DUTY to get to the throne. It's where they belong.

If that's alongside Alistair, great everyone wins. If that's alongside Anora, also fine because it gets rid of Alistair and lets that crappy bloodline die the way it should have a long time ago.

/noble high horse off


Also anyone notice that the Cousland Family sword is what the game files refer to as a "Grey Warden Sword?" Posted Image

Modifié par Vicious, 12 décembre 2009 - 09:23 .