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[Harbinger of your Destiny]

I hate synthesis as well.

[legion999]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

I hate synthesis as well.

<looks at username>

<hiss> Ah! No more of Gavorn's tricks!

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Yo dawg, I heard you liked synthesis and servers?

So we made a ****ty ending so you would forget about Mass Effect and play more BF3 so we can charge you money to rent a server while you are already paying for a server you are renting so we can charge you while you wait to join the server!

lol

[frylock23]

I mean really, think of all the Earth's great natural spots.

Imagine the Great Barrier Reef ... with green tech lines all over the place.

Imagine diving with Whale Sharks off Ningaloo ... and they have green tech lines all over them.

Imagine watching the wildebeest migration crossing the river ... and the green techno crocs snapping them up

Imagine the migration of the land crabs on Christmas Island, all that moving red ... then mess it up with green techno lines.

Really, the natural world gets a whole lot less appealing when we pollute it with synthesis.

[Volc19]

It's revolting on two levels. It makes no sense, and it's horrifying.

Synthetics don't have DNA to synthesize, a wave of energy couldn't possibly make cybernetics simply appear in organics through spontaneous generation, and the act of jumping into a beam to activate is is ridiculous.

If one suspends their disbelief and believes Synthesis to be plausible, then it violates all organic life by implanting tech into everyone without consent, turns the Geth, EDI, and all VIs into abhorrent messes of flesh, metal, and teeth, and to top it all off, the Reapers are still the same arrogant evil monsters they were only differing in the fact that they now seem to have patches of flesh and a working respiratory system.

So yeah, you should hate synthesis. Every intelligent person should.

[element eater]

i find synthesis utterly disgusting for so many reasons

[lamodite]

element eater wrote...

i find synthesis utterly disgusting for so many reasons

[jla0644]

I still don't think its possible to find a group kookier than the IT proponents, but you anti-Synthesis people are doing all you can to catch up with them.

Modifié par jla0644, 02 juin 2012 - 01:01 .

[balance5050]

jla0644 wrote...

I still don't think its possible to find a group kookier than the IT proponents, but you anti-Synthesis people are doing all you can to catch up with them.

It's sad to see people who stand for nothing no?

[frylock23]

jla0644 wrote...

I still don't think its possible to find a group kookier than the IT proponents, but you anti-Synthesis people are doing all you can to catch up with them.

Yeah, nothing says "kook" like people who really like the natural world and are troubled by the implications of what synthesis would mean for it.

Modifié par frylock23, 02 juin 2012 - 01:05 .

[jla0644]

Yeah, you're "troubled" by a make believe decision in a make believe world, that you are in no way required to make. Kooky.

[MisterJB]

frylock23 wrote...
Yeah, nothing says "kook" like people who really like the natural world and are troubled by the implications of what synthesis would mean for it.

Improvement? There is nothing inherently better to what is natural. It was nature that gave us life, yes, but also diseases that science has to cure.

Modifié par MisterJB, 02 juin 2012 - 01:15 .

[frylock23]

jla0644 wrote...

Yeah, you're "troubled" by a make believe decision in a make believe world, that you are in no way required to make. Kooky.

Then you can go play in other threads. No one asked you to come here. When someone asks me why I don't like synthesis, it's because I think about what it would mean. And what it would do to the world around me is part of why I don't like it. I'm sorry if you are limited in your imagination.

[frylock23]

MisterJB wrote...

frylock23 wrote...
Yeah, nothing says "kook" like people who really like the natural world and are troubled by the implications of what synthesis would mean for it.

Improvement? There is nothing inherently beautiful to what is natural. It was nature that gave us life, yes, but also diseases that science has to cure.

So? Everything has stuff that's both good and bad. Someday, I'm sure you'll get the chance to synthesize yourself, and when you can, I'll be happy for you. However, don't make the mistake of thinking that just because you can synthesize youself that everyone else in the world would be happy to go right along with you. Not everyone will want to, nor should they be compelled to. This is where you and I part company.

I'm happy letting you choose your own path; you aren't happy going it alone, you feel the need to compel me and everyone else to come along too.

[Isichar]

I hate synthesis as well, it is the true embodiment of space magic. And its disgustingly clear it the writers favorite ending

[MisterJB]

frylock23 wrote...
So? Everything has stuff that's both good and bad.

And thus we should always work towards removing what is bad.

Someday, I'm sure you'll get the chance to synthesize yourself, and when you can, I'll be happy for you. However, don't make the mistake of thinking that just because you can synthesize youself that everyone else in the world would be happy to go right along with you. Not everyone will want to, nor should they be compelled to. This is where you and I part company.

I'm happy letting you choose your own path; you aren't happy going it alone, you feel the need to compel me and everyone else to come along too.

Much like a father compels his child to be vaccinated despite the child complaining the needle looks scary. It is for its own good.
Should we synthesize only a few, those who choose it, effectively creating a master race that will dominate the inferior men? I don't believe so.

[jla0644]

frylock23 wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

Yeah, you're "troubled" by a make believe decision in a make believe world, that you are in no way required to make. Kooky.

Then you can go play in other threads. No one asked you to come here. When someone asks me why I don't like synthesis, it's because I think about what it would mean. And what it would do to the world around me is part of why I don't like it. I'm sorry if you are limited in your imagination.

LOL don't take it personally, guy, my post wasn't directed at you in partcular. And if you guys can make a hundred different threads declaring your hatred for Synthesis, I'm pretty sure I can reply to them all I want.

I just find the level of hatred a bit strange. I don't much care for Synthesis myself, but I'm not personally offended by it and I don't feel the need to climb up on my moral highhorse and proclaim Synthesis to be an abomination.

You people are acting like it was a choice that was forced on you, that it is Mass Effect canon.  But you don't have to choose and you don't ever have to even see it if you don't want to, just keep your EMS low enough. Simple.

And ftr, no matter what you think the implications are, you're just making stuff up. The game left every decision so vague that we have basically nothing to work from. I don't think Bioware thought Snythesis out nearly as much as anyone here has. I think they decided on the organics vs snythetics thing for the their Reaper motivation, and then came up with a Synthesis as a "clever" way to solve it.

But I don't think they gave it much thought beyond that, or maybe they had a definite idea of what it meant but just didn't get it across very well. I don't think they intended the very fabric of nature to be radically altered. Looking at Joker and EDI at the end, I don't think they even intended it to that much of a change for organic life. Those two look quite content to be synthesized.

If you want your headcanon to be green lines all over every plant in the galaxy, fine. That isn't the way I saw it for my one Shepard (out of 6) that chose Synthesis. I simply find it very odd that people are making such an issue of something they never have to see if they don't choose it. And I find it even funnier that what is offending you so much is your own headcanon. Almost like you want to be offended. But surely there aren't people out there who enjoy being offended.

Modifié par jla0644, 02 juin 2012 - 01:59 .

[Kunari801]

Isichar wrote...

I hate synthesis as well, it is the true embodiment of space magic. And its disgustingly clear it the writers favorite ending

I too do no like it, I don't mind it's there for some to choose if they do like it, but I myself will never choose it in my games. 

[PsyrenY]

Taboo-XX wrote...


Singularities aside, I find such an intervention to be abominble and beyond justifiable. We're fine just the way we are.

Just the way we are... how? Without science, you mean? With polio and dysentery still running rampant? Smallpox and malaria? Crops that couldn't resist fungus, insects or herbicides that kill weeds while leaving our food intact? 

Funny that I didn't hear you complaining when man was meddling then. That you even have the free time to stroll by a lake and take pretty pictures rather than till the soil just to feed yourself is due to scientific advance.

Did you go home to your organic compost-heap garden after your walk, or stop by a Starbucks for a croissant and latté, I wonder? (Don't bother answering.)

[Taboo]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...


Singularities aside, I find such an intervention to be abominble and beyond justifiable. We're fine just the way we are.

Just the way we are... how? Without science, you mean? With polio and dysentery still running rampant? Smallpox and malaria? Crops that couldn't resist fungus, insects or herbicides that kill weeds while leaving our food intact? 

Funny that I didn't hear you complaining when man was meddling then. That you even have the free time to stroll by a lake and take pretty pictures rather than till the soil just to feed yourself is due to scientific advance.

Did you go home to your organic compost-heap garden after your walk, or stop by a Starbucks for a croissant and latté, I wonder? (Don't bother answering.)

I actually just got back from a fancy party actually, with wine! A woman wanted me to stay and drink with her but I wanted to come home because I hate Synthesis that much! See how much I love you?

It's nice to know that when threatened you strawman like the people you torment on a daily basis. 

The hyperbole with which you speak of belies a great deal of who you are. You are afraid of dying, which fuels your desire for Synthesis. You fear an existential threat, and choose to enact a policy that affects every organism in the Universe, that's the issue.

If you had been paying attention to the paragraph I had written, you'd know I have no issue with man interferring with nature so as long as he co-exists with it an it only. That is to say you only take what you need and leave the rest for others.

As for science, don't be disingenious, you know damn good and well that I support science and vaccinations. But people have a choice to be vaccinated, you cannot do that do them by force.

Take some Native Americans in Montana for instance. When White people came to that area the Natives refused the vaccines, and chose instead to jump off the cliff in sacrifice because they thought it would prevent the spread of the disease. We didn't vaccinate those who chose not to. They chose to DIE. That's their right. It isn't logical, but they hold that BASIC right.

You choose, based off your "relitvism" to enact a policy on every single being in the galaxy. You do it based upon the much ridiculed "moral relitivity" stance. You fail to factor in one thing that is the damning part of your choice of morality. Relivitism does not choose between a good and bad life and as we are aware of our being, it digusts me to think that you have the right to affect EVERYONE.

[Angelo2027]

Synthesis is stupid is the catalyst and shepard trying to do a sandwich or something? o_O I will always shoot the red tube.

[Taboo]

I skipped a possible one night stand for you Optimystic. You had better show up again.

[Vigilant111]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I skipped a possible one night stand for you Optimystic. You had better show up again.

hahahahahahaha:lol:

[Taboo]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I skipped a possible one night stand for you Optimystic. You had better show up again.

hahahahahahaha:lol:

I'm dead serious about it. A woman wanted to sit and drink and drink and drink and then go home with her.

You'd better show up Optimystic.

[PsyrenY]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The hyperbole with which you speak of belies a great deal of who you are. You are afraid of dying, which fuels your desire for Synthesis. You fear an existential threat, and choose to enact a policy that affects every organism in the Universe, that's the issue.

"We do not fear death as you do. But we have no desire to be exterminated."

My favor of synthesis has nothing to do with fearing death - not on a personal level, anyway. It's the possibilities ahead of us that I see - ALL of us, including the Geth/EDI - not the fears behind us. 

The only death that Synthesis prevents is the extinction of our kind (organics) due to a tech singularity. Why would I personally be afraid of that, when we aren't anywhere close to such a thing happening? But my Shepard could indeed worry about such a thing, yes. 

Taboo-XX wrote... 
If you had been paying attention to the paragraph I had written, you'd know I have no issue with man interferring with nature so as long as he co-exists with it an it only. That is to say you only take what you need and leave the rest for others.

I don't see how Synthesis destroys nature. Quite the opposite; plant or animal, sapient or nonsapient, nanites don't discriminate. We would finally have common ground with all the countless organisms whose behavior we now struggle to understand.

Imagine being able to talk to a forest, or to finally see and understand everything that happens in the lightless depths of the ocean. Imagine being able to truly live as a part of nature, without needing all the trappings of civilization that we could not survive for long without. Tweaking your very genetic makeup to become as the hardier explorers and tribesmen of old, rather than the milk-fed city-dwellers so many of us have become? I can imagine Synthesis doing that, for those who want it, and for countless unique vistas and frontiers. Adapt yourself to the thin air at the top of a mountain, the sere and relentless skies of a desert, or the heavy and moist air of a quagmire in moments. And the following week, change it all around again.

Choice would still exist. Variation would still exist. The only change would be speed.

Taboo-XX wrote... 
As for science, don't be disingenious, you know damn good and well that I support science and vaccinations. But people have a choice to be vaccinated, you cannot do that do them by force.

Do they? Did you choose to never have to worry about catching polio or smallpox ever again? Did you choose for your parents to infect you with chicken pox when you were younger? They were protecting you, and by your own logic they are abominations for doing so.

Taboo-XX wrote...  
You choose, based off your "relitvism" to enact a policy on every single being in the galaxy. You do it based upon the much ridiculed "moral relitivity" stance. You fail to factor in one thing that is the damning part of your choice of morality. Relivitism does not choose between a good and bad life and as we are aware of our being, it digusts me to think that you have the right to affect EVERYONE.

Then be disgusted, don't pick green, and hope against hope that I'm never offered that choice.