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[Bhatair]

'Morrigan is unconscious'

[Saurel]

Devs play favorites

[Fishy]

cutieyum wrote...

GmanFresh wrote...

Why Cant We Kill Morrigan???

She'll cast cone of cold on you, hex you, bring lightning on your *ss, put you to sleep, and give you a nightmare, without needing clothes or a weapon. Afterwards, as a spider she would skin you and make a baby sling with the result.

Freaks are good for society, otherwise change would never occur. Stability is good, stillness/perfection is death.

Nah .. i killed 200 blood mage / 1 High dragon / Flemeth / 2000 Thief/1000 abomination/An army of werewolf,Ogre/Templar/Demon and Demon .. 1 Broodmother /  1 Archdemon / Plenty of Lunatic

Morrigan don't scare me.

[Pimpmyvanagon]

Adria Teksuni wrote...

I'm rather uncertain as to why you would want to?

Because she's an apostate mage, apparently a malefecar (her dialogue when describing the ritual seems to indicate that it's blood magic) and the daughter of an abomination? And not everyone's down with that?

Presumably she can't be killed because they're planning to use her in DA2. I can't think of any other reason why she would get plot immunity when most of your other party members have some chain of events that can lead to you ending them.

Modifié par Pimpmyvanagon, 11 décembre 2009 - 05:53 .

[Ski Mask Wei]

Saurel wrote...

Devs play favorites

Yeap, Morrigan's too cool to be even covered in blood.  I've never had her use a blade so I could be wrong but when the walking bombs go off she's spotless.   

[Adria Teksuni]

Pimpmyvanagon wrote...
Because she's an apostate mage, apparently a malefecar (her dialogue when describing the ritual seems to indicate that it's blood magic) and the daughter of an abomination? And not everyone's down with that?

But her being an apostate mage/malefecar and the daughter of an abomination is okay while you need her help up until that point?

[Pimpmyvanagon]

Adria Teksuni wrote...

Pimpmyvanagon wrote...
Because she's an apostate mage, apparently a malefecar (her dialogue when describing the ritual seems to indicate that it's blood magic) and the daughter of an abomination? And not everyone's down with that?

But her being an apostate mage/malefecar and the daughter of an abomination is okay while you need her help up until that point?

Of course not. My Templar would probably have ended her on the road to Lothering, if it was possible to do so. But at the very least, you should have an option to attack her when she offers you the ritual.

It's kind of irritating that your character can say "I should have killed you", but then you just sort of stare at her as she strolls out.

[Count Viceroy]

She has probably a vital role to play in the sequel if her endings are anything to go by. 

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 11 décembre 2009 - 05:59 .

[Tatooine92]

Yeah, unfortunately, she's probably going to be the star of the sequel. Her and the demon baby. Although... the baby isn't *technically* a demon, is it? It's the soul of the Old God, minus the evil, am I right? Therefore, the kid could actually be *good*.



...do we get to play the sequel as this maybe-good-maybe-not kid?

[Curlain]

cutieyum wrote...

GmanFresh wrote...

Why Cant We Kill Morrigan???

She'll cast cone of cold on you, hex you, bring lightning on your *ss, put you to sleep, and give you a nightmare, without needing clothes or a weapon. Afterwards, as a spider she would skin you and make a baby sling with the result.

Freaks are good for society, otherwise change would never occur. Stability is good, stillness/perfection is death.

Death in inevitable, it gets everyone in the end

On the OP's point, while it's a bit of a distasteful opinion, he has a point, if you are RPing this kind of ruthless character then prehaps it should be a opinion (it is a dark fantasy which allows our characters to make similarly, though prehaps not quite as stark , choices elsewhere).

If you are RPing a selfish and ruthless character, said PC might decide to take up Morrrigan's offer to save themselves from death, but equally as a ruthless and stark pragmatist, decide to attempt to kill Morrigan after it was done (since the 'Old God' would have no more taint, and so no threat of death to any Grey Warden) and so end any potential threat she could represent (paritcularly if said PC was a human noble who had manipulated things to end up in power, and didn't like the idea of unknowns threatening their powerbase).

It's not a good idea, and indeed would full squarely into 'evil and dispicible act', but there is an argument that if you were RPing a certain kind of PC then it would be a legimate option to be able to pick (at least in terms of attempting it, doesn't mean Morrigan won't fight back etc)

Modifié par Curlain, 11 décembre 2009 - 06:09 .

[Count Viceroy]

If you **** her ritual, the epilogue tells of her imbedding herself in the queen of orlais court. She's definitely up to something.

[FlintlockJazz]

Vormaerin wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

This is something I don't agree with how the game works it.  Even if you refuse her offer you just let her go after she revealed all that.  With my human noble who is becoming king he would have gone "Er no, and by the way you're not going anywhere, I can't let you wander off and try this again and succeed when my kingdom is at stake.  Time for you to meet my sword, sword, MEET MORRIGAN!  RASK!"

Yeah, because she completely fails to anticipate that reaction and be prepared for it.   The cinematic is flawed, but only due to limitations on the engine.  She obviously doesn't approach you when you are in full battle array.  She obviously would have her wards up.   You, obviously, are not stupid enough to attack a deadly mage with your bare hands or dagger and no element of surprise.

I suppose its up to you whether you are a sociopathic enough to kill a close companion of many months (who happened to have saved your life at least once) just because she made a proposal you didn't like.

Hmm lets see, you can kill Leliana and Wynne at the urn of ashes for getting in your way, so yes the game does let you be sociopathic like that, hell it makes even more sense here.  As to her failing to anticipate that, that would not guarantee her getting away, and you're assuming my character wouldn't keep his weapons near to hand (the human noble origin proves this as you have access to all your weapons and armour right from when your character wakes up), and you're presuming that my character would talk to Morrigan without his weapons, which considering how my character had interacted with Morrigan before he would not do. 

Either way, yes you should be able to attack her, and considering she's an NPC she is not any more powerful than you, and you can call the guards as well.  Hell, this story wouldn't make it past Ostagar if it was tabletop, considering how Morrigan introduces herself many a character would be justified in taking her prisoner rather than following her blindly to her 'mother', even though doing so would probably wind up with them all dead once the darkspawn attack with no Flemeth to save them.  It is just plot protection that Morrigan enjoys, and the fact that the character more or less rubs it in your face without any pretense of protection in the cutscenes is what is annoying, happens with several other characters too.

[FlintlockJazz]

Saurel wrote...

Devs play favorites

This sums it up.  It's a case of the DM creating an NPC or race that they really love and end up making the adventures revolve around instead of the players.  It's a common enough occurence, and I'm not sure if maybe the devs did it deliberately as a sort of nod towards that kind of DMing, but it's understandable considering the silent nature of the protagonist.

[ChickenDownUnder]

Because the devs need her for the next game.

[cutieyum]

Curlain wrote...

cutieyum wrote...

GmanFresh wrote...

Why Cant We Kill Morrigan???

She'll cast cone of cold on you, hex you, bring lightning on your *ss, put you to sleep, and give you a nightmare, without needing clothes or a weapon. Afterwards, as a spider she would skin you and make a baby sling with the result.

Freaks are good for society, otherwise change would never occur. Stability is good, stillness/perfection is death.

Death in inevitable, it gets everyone in the end

We might have different definitions of death.

Modifié par cutieyum, 11 décembre 2009 - 07:37 .

[Korva]

I do wish we had that option, especially when she makes that "offer" of hers.

And if she and that stupid baby feature in a sequel despite this game having the option to turn her down and end the Blight as it "should" be ended ... I'm going to be royally pissed and kiss this franchise goodbye because I really hate it when choices are retconned out of existence. It's bad, bad form.

[Behindyounow]

Morrigan is an apsolute cow, and I would've relished a chance to kill her.



Handing her over to the Templars doesn't really do it for me.

[Skellimancer]

Korva wrote...

I do wish we had that option, especially when she makes that "offer" of hers.

And if she and that stupid baby feature in a sequel despite this game having the option to turn her down and end the Blight as it "should" be ended ... I'm going to be royally pissed and kiss this franchise goodbye because I really hate it when choices are retconned out of existence. It's bad, bad form.

Agreed.

They ruined my party from BG1 to BG2. who the hell travels with such nutters like Minsc?

Wait. Don't answer that...

I miss you, Safana, Branwen and the old psychotic Jaheira. R-I-P.

[Behindyounow]

Skellimancer wrote...

Korva wrote...

I do wish we had that option, especially when she makes that "offer" of hers.

And if she and that stupid baby feature in a sequel despite this game having the option to turn her down and end the Blight as it "should" be ended ... I'm going to be royally pissed and kiss this franchise goodbye because I really hate it when choices are retconned out of existence. It's bad, bad form.

Agreed.

They ruined my party from BG1 to BG2. who the hell travels with such nutters like Minsc?

Wait. Don't answer that...

I miss you, Safana, Branwen and the old psychotic Jaheira. R-I-P.

Thirded. I specifically turned down her offer because I dont want her and a stupid baby as the villains of the next game.

If they make that stupid option Canon, I'll be damn annoyed. I wouldn't go so far as to quit playing, but I'll resent every second of screen time Morrigan gets.

[FlintlockJazz]

Behindyounow wrote...

Skellimancer wrote...

Korva wrote...

I do wish we had that option, especially when she makes that "offer" of hers.

And if she and that stupid baby feature in a sequel despite this game having the option to turn her down and end the Blight as it "should" be ended ... I'm going to be royally pissed and kiss this franchise goodbye because I really hate it when choices are retconned out of existence. It's bad, bad form.

Agreed.

They ruined my party from BG1 to BG2. who the hell travels with such nutters like Minsc?

Wait. Don't answer that...

I miss you, Safana, Branwen and the old psychotic Jaheira. R-I-P.

Thirded. I specifically turned down her offer because I dont want her and a stupid baby as the villains of the next game.

If they make that stupid option Canon, I'll be damn annoyed. I wouldn't go so far as to quit playing, but I'll resent every second of screen time Morrigan gets.

Fourthed.  Sure, if a player chooses to have the baby then have it come back and bite them in the arse, but if they didn't then they should have to deal with the fall out (of course, if they sacrificed their character instead it might be a bit hard, but then they wouldn't have put the option to do so if they didn't have some means of dealing with it or if the sequel deals with completely new characters anyway).

[Curlain]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Skellimancer wrote...

Korva wrote...

I do wish we had that option, especially when she makes that "offer" of hers.

And if she and that stupid baby feature in a sequel despite this game having the option to turn her down and end the Blight as it "should" be ended ... I'm going to be royally pissed and kiss this franchise goodbye because I really hate it when choices are retconned out of existence. It's bad, bad form.

Agreed.

They ruined my party from BG1 to BG2. who the hell travels with such nutters like Minsc?

Wait. Don't answer that...

I miss you, Safana, Branwen and the old psychotic Jaheira. R-I-P.

Thirded. I specifically turned down her offer because I dont want her and a stupid baby as the villains of the next game.

If they make that stupid option Canon, I'll be damn annoyed. I wouldn't go so far as to quit playing, but I'll resent every second of screen time Morrigan gets.

Fourthed.  Sure, if a player chooses to have the baby then have it come back and bite them in the arse, but if they didn't then they should have to deal with the fall out (of course, if they sacrificed their character instead it might be a bit hard, but then they wouldn't have put the option to do so if they didn't have some means of dealing with it or if the sequel deals with completely new characters anyway).

Fifthed(?  that possible?) my first PC romanced Morrigan but couldn't accept the deal, and took the death blow, I hope future expansions or sequels will respect as much as possible the choices we had our PC's make in this game

[mrao]

I hope the save game transfer goes over well with mass effect 2, if they used it with a DA sequel they could avoid making some players decisions meaningless by having a canon story.

[Maconbar]

How many here are convinced that Morrigan/baby will be a main story element in DA2?



I think that if Bioware wasn't going in that direction, they would have excluded this element from the narrative.

[Maria Caliban]

GmanFresh wrote...

after the ritual...demon dies..goes to the baby... wouldnt it be easy to kill her then and there and prevent this old god? and get to save the wardens whilst preventing a freak of nature from being born?

1. Because Morrigan can turn into any number of creatures and fly away before you could kill her.
2. Because they have plans to continue her story.

[Skellimancer]

Maconbar wrote...

How many here are convinced that Morrigan/baby will be a main story element in DA2?

I think that if Bioware wasn't going in that direction, they would have excluded this element from the narrative.

If they do then they just lost a sale.

and yes i know they don't care.

Modifié par Skellimancer, 11 décembre 2009 - 11:09 .