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[Adria Teksuni]

XOGHunter246 wrote...
also have sex with him that should harden him up

Go to your room.

[Gimmemocha]

By the way, you don't have to romance Alistair to have the "Alistair will be king and I will rule at his side" option. I got it, human female noble with a high persuade. Took it, too. There are some nicely awkward conversations with Alistair about how it's going to work, especially the "having heirs" part of things, considering that you're just friends.

[XOGHunter246]

Adria Teksuni wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...
also have sex with him that should harden him up

Go to your room.

sorry couldn't resist lol

[Adria Teksuni]

Gimmemocha wrote...

By the way, you don't have to romance Alistair to have the "Alistair will be king and I will rule at his side" option. I got it, human female noble with a high persuade. Took it, too. There are some nicely awkward conversations with Alistair about how it's going to work, especially the "having heirs" part of things, considering that you're just friends.

Hee hee hee, will have to try that one, too!

[037686]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Yes, he'll fight for it, but only because he's forced to. He's only doing it to prevent Anora from getting it, not because he wants it.

Not true, actually. I was rather surprised, but there is dialogue where he says in no uncertain terms that he wants it.

My latest playthrough, I was intending on marrying Anora and becoming King, with Alistair sacrificing himself. I arranged the marriage with Anora, and then went to tell Alistair I was going to support her instead.

His reaction to me telling him I was supporting Anora pre-landsmeet, and then at the Landsmeet itself when I said I was going to marry her and rule with her, left no doubt that he actually desired it now.

Actually, he was so vehement when my PC announced he was going to rule with Anora that I relented and gave the crown to him instead...yes, I got successfully guilt tripped by a NPC.

Hardened Alistair is a whole different kettle of fish.

[Tarante11a]

I am QUEEN!! bestest.



But you have to have Alistair whipped into shape beforehand. Otherwise, what with his idiot comments, he'd constantly be doing a Prince Philip, dropping huge faux pas all over the place and causing terrible diplomatic incidents.



And then you'd have to send for Zev.



(except I'd probably be sending for Zev quite a lot anyway.. ahem).

[syllogi]

037686 wrote...

Not true, actually. I was rather surprised, but there is dialogue where he says in no uncertain terms that he wants it.

My latest playthrough, I was intending on marrying Anora and becoming King, with Alistair sacrificing himself. I arranged the marriage with Anora, and then went to tell Alistair I was going to support her instead.

His reaction to me telling him I was supporting Anora pre-landsmeet, and then at the Landsmeet itself when I said I was going to marry her and rule with her, left no doubt that he actually desired it now.

Actually, he was so vehement when my PC announced he was going to rule with Anora that I relented and gave the crown to him instead...yes, I got successfully guilt tripped by a NPC.

Hardened Alistair is a whole different kettle of fish.

This is very true.  If you ask hardened Alistair after the duel whether he wants to be King, he makes it clear that he wants to be a good king, it's not just about revenge.  And the fact that he studies politics as King, and makes an effort, proves that he was serious.

Even though the "best" ending for Alistair as King appears to be ruling with Anora and having a new golden age together, he does pretty well on his own or with the human noble female if hardened. 

[Korva]

I seriously dislike how the "hardening" is handled in this game. When my Warden is not rude or a jaded cynic, and is friends with Alistair, why would she basically say "Life sucks and the world is full of selfish a-holes, get used to it!" when he is depressed over his sister? In Throne of Bhaal you had to have several talks with Sarevok being firm in your convictions, and you had to be of Good alignment too, before he would come around. It still felt terribly rushed, of course, but at least there clearly something going on in your talks with him, and in his head, and as I recall in at least one of his talks with Keldorn too. With Alistair it's like flipping a switch. An unpleasant switch.

That is why, going strictly by how things happen in-game, I couldn't use that option and call it the "best" outcome. You don't kick a friend when he's down. Had it been a slow buildup over the course of the game, especially after his heritage is revealed, it would have been more believeable. The Warden could either try helping to build Alistair's self-confidence and self-worth and reduce the fears about ruling in a friendly but firm manner. Or you could be a bastard to him and he could "harden" on his own deciding that if even his companion and fellow Warden treats him like dirt he's starting to have enough of it all. Or you could try to nudge him into a more self-confident but also selfish direction. I'd like the first way best, of course, it'd make the most sense as resulting in a benevolent King Alistair, too.

But going strictly by how things happen as they do, not by what the eventual outcome is, the "best" ending for me in my first/"canon" playthrough as a do-gooder, paladin-like noble warror was to put him on the throne alone. Anora is too much in love with power and I didn't feel I could trust her. My character told Morrigan to get lost (and would have killed her given the option) and proceeded to personally nail the archdemon't head to the floor. So that is my "optimal" ending overall. For myself, for Ferelden and for Alistair.

Other endings I'm interested in seeing with my three planned "alts" are:

1)  "Harden" him with another character -- in a "click through the stuff fast and pretend it isn't happening this way" manner, probably. Then put him on the throne alone.
2) Hitch him up with Anora, hardened or not.
3) Let Anora take the throne and him rebuild the Wardens.

I'll never take Morrigan's offer so it means I'll bite the dust every time. Can't bring myself to let my character stand back and watch Alistair run to his doom. Plus, I love me a good heroic death anyway.

How happy or at least content is Alistair with Anora? Hardened and unhardened? Does the ending say anything about how she treats him?

[vocalemuse]

Dunhart wrote...

I'd let Alistair get to building the Gray Wardens. The guy doesn't want to be king and he's already helped save the world. Give him a rest, will ya!

On the contrary, he wanted to be king on my playthrough. He told me not to make Anora queen when I asked if I should. xD

[Vansen Elamber]

Bhatair wrote...

Becoming king consort to Anora and having Alistair executed because his existence is a threat to both of you.

Oh wait...

Win!  ^

[Nhani]

Actually, I have a (possibly rather odd) question regarding endings and Alistair and the human noble origin; while I suppose being made queen isn't all that bad, I was actually considering whether it's possible to leave Anora doing Andraste knows what on the throne and plain haul Alistair off to Highever to rebuild the Cousland teyrny with him in tow? Do you even get the option to do that, or will he determinedly go do mysterious Gray Warden stuff?

Basically, do I have to Queen it up, or can I settle for a more backwater position hunting bandits and darkspawn in my old family lands with Alistair in tow?

[Dunhart]

How happy or at least content is Alistair with Anora? Hardened and
unhardened? Does the ending say anything about how she treats him?

In my ending (where Alistair was not hardened) it was implied that they sort of grew on each other. If not to love, then at least to respect and be sort of friends. It also mentions that Alistair deferred to her judgement often. They'll probably be exactly like Cailan and Anora were, which is rather morbid when you think about it. He ends up pretty much replacing his half-brother.

On the contrary, he wanted to be king on my playthrough. He told me not to make Anora queen when I asked if I should. xD

That's probably when you harden him, then. Which I agree is a horrible process and I can never bring myself to do it. It's like kicking a puppy.

In my first playthrough I didn't harden or romance him and he said he'll try to be a king if he has to but he'd still prefer if you chose Anora. Also, after the Landsmeet, at Eamon's he'll storm in to the room and flip off in your face about forcing him to do it.

Modifié par Dunhart, 12 décembre 2009 - 03:27 .

[Elystia]

LightSabres wrote...

I stuck him on the throne with Anora. That little bugger can lick all the lamp posts he wants now.

LOL! ROFL!

[Elystia]

I actually took another route in the game for the ending.
I did not take to the dark side bond with Morrigan..especially when it came to sleeping with MY man! In the end, she left (and good riddance) I wasnt going to let her walk around the earth with some abomination in her belly.
I certainly wasnt going to play second best to Anora...so....Allister got the last hit on the Archdemon and Anora became queen. I felt it necessary to give lands to the Dalish and for myself, go traveling.
Zevran asked to go with me..I think he wanted to go with me just to have sex with me and hide from the crows..but hey...I needed a beer and some company after all of that.
It helped me get over Allister as well.

My question is this: When I wanted to take the last blow on the Archdemon..howcome I wasnt allowed to? It IS the end of the game is it not?
Why did Allister just HAVE to have the last strike? And in the conversation of him taking the last blow, he said something about him being king and all...which is weird considering I had already put Anora on the throne?
I wanted to take the last stab damnation! That was my whole plan for saving the world AND Allister....but alas, my plan was foiled.

Modifié par Elystia, 12 décembre 2009 - 03:42 .

[Dunhart]

Elystia wrote...

My question is this: When I wanted to take the last blow on the Archdemon..howcome I wasnt allowed to? It IS the end of the game is it not?
Why did Allister just HAVE to have the last strike? And in the conversation of him taking the last blow, he said something about him being king and all...which is weird considering I had already put Anora on the throne?
I wanted to take the last stab damnation! That was my whole plan for saving the world AND Allister....but alas, my plan was foiled.

Alistair will not let you take the last hit if you're romancing him and he's present during the final fight. Bloody git has been raised to think that leaving your damsel to live out the rest of her life in mourning is more honorable than being the one left behind himself (well, there was the thing about souls being destroyed completely, but I don't know how true that is. I mean, how would they really know?).

That he would talk about his kinghood instead of the romance is probably some sort of bug. The ending flags tend be rather screw-y.

Modifié par Dunhart, 12 décembre 2009 - 03:40 .

[Elystia]

I blame it on the Grey Warden we rescued from jail. He just couldnt wait for us to show up could he? NooOOOoooo! He just had to jump on the dragons back and be all heroic and die.
HE shouldve been the one taking the last crack! Damn him!

Now all I have is Zevran to travel with...ug.

Modifié par Elystia, 12 décembre 2009 - 03:43 .

[aznsoisauce]

Korva wrote...
How happy or at least content is Alistair with Anora? Hardened and unhardened? Does the ending say anything about how she treats him?

Not sure if he needs to be hardened or not, but an epilogue I have seen says "they fell into the routine of ruling Ferelden" sometime after their wedding. It goes on to imply that they are happiest when apart and Alistair travels a lot to socialize ("delighted commoners to no end.").

[Dunhart]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Korva wrote...
How happy or at least content is Alistair with Anora? Hardened and unhardened? Does the ending say anything about how she treats him?

Not sure if he needs to be hardened or not, but an epilogue I have seen says "they fell into the routine of ruling Ferelden" sometime after their wedding. It goes on to imply that they are happiest when apart and Alistair travels a lot to socialize ("delighted commoners to no end.").

Really? My take on it was slightly more positive...

Probably my feelings of guilt over nailing him to a throne he didn't want and married to a frozen harpy for the rest of his life as a "thank you" for saving the world altering my memories so I can live with them...