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[Blacklash93]

slimgrin wrote...

I'm sick of Zombies.

As interested as I am I can't deny this is blatantly playing on tropers' grounds.

Zombie infection?
Lawless world due to an outbreak calamity?
Young girl who holds the magic key to resolving the conflict in her blood?
Older guy guiding/delivering vulnerable girl through a perilous world?

Never seen this before. No sir.

Come to think of it, Bioshock Infinite is quite close to three later things I mentioned.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 03 juin 2012 - 01:18 .

[Rockworm503]

WTF thats a lot of assuming.

[Blacklash93]

Rockworm503 wrote...

WTF thats a lot of assuming.

There is a zombie outbreak and it has made the world wild and lawless. That is a fact.
Ellie is being delivered somewhere by Joel because there's something special about her. Though I seem to have been misinformed that it's certain it's about resolving the zombie thing upon further research. Still, she is the "special girl" who drives the plot.
And the "Older man is companioned with a plot device young girl in a dangerous environment" premise is something that's been done to death.

[Rockworm503]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

WTF thats a lot of assuming.

There is a zombie outbreak and it has made the world wild and lawless. That is a fact.
Ellie is being delivered somewhere by Joel because there's something special about her. Though I seem to have been misinformed that it's certain it's about resolving the zombie thing upon further research. Still, she is the "special girl" who drives the plot.
And the "Older man is companioned with a plot device young girl in a dangerous environment" premise is something that's been done to death.

Links?  This info is new.  The only thing I'm aware of is 2 people trying to survive.
That is all ND has told us as far as I know.
The rest of it is speculation and quite frankly sounds like slandering because you don't like them?

[Blacklash93]

Rockworm503 wrote...
Links?  This info is new.  The only thing I'm aware of is 2 people trying to survive.
That is all ND has told us as far as I know.
The rest of it is speculation and quite frankly sounds like slandering because you don't like them?

What is essentially a Zombie outbreak via fungus/insects is fact. Quarantine zones pretty much tells that it's rampant and cities filled with bandits tells lawlessness because of it.

And Ellie is being devlivered somewhere by Joel (who is being paid for it) for a reason unrevealed as of yet. She's driving this journey on whatever her deal is.

And ND has already said the relationship between the two characters is father-daughter; a variant of the tropey premise I put above. Older man protecting a young girl who drives the plot is not an uncommon premise in stories.

I do not dislike ND. They're a good developer and I don't think anyone would say anything lower of them. I just notice when a story is deriving from very common story premises and elements when I see it. I'm not saying ND couldn't do it well or even in a unique way at all.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Naughty can't write an original story to save their lives. Not every developer can be Obsidian err meant Black Isle (crazy slip); give them a break. Pretty much I don't play Naughty Dog games because they are good storytellers. It is all about the good shooting mechanics. I mean they aren't the best when it comes to it, but they at least give the player a neat little area with quirky characters. The only problem I see with them is they love sequels, and they hardly change anything. I felt like Uncharted: 2 was an exact replica of the first one, and I was reading reviews and number 3 is pretty much unchanged; glad I didn't buy it.

I haven't seen anything about the storyline, but I'd believe you are probably right, Blacklash. From the trailers, it looks like you nailed the storyline.

Modifié par SOLID_EVEREST, 03 juin 2012 - 05:00 .

[Rockworm503]

IF you couldn't tell a difference between the first Uncharted and the 2nd than you had made up your mind about that before you even played it.

[Laser Beam]

slimgrin wrote...

I'm sick of Zombies.

Quite impossible. Or improbable.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Rockworm503 wrote...

IF you couldn't tell a difference between the first Uncharted and the 2nd than you had made up your mind about that before you even played it.

Pretty much it is the exact same game, storyline and everything. It feels more like they just wanted to introduce the multiplayer aspect to the series. I mean I'm not alone. Just look up Yahtzee's little review for Uncharted: 3; he even notes this. I know how fanboys of Naughty Dog get. They are good developers, but severely overrated.

[android654]

You couldn't be more wrong. How about playing it and forming your own opinion?

[Tirigon]

Looks like L4D in better graphics.


And fast zombies suck. If they arent slow they should stay dead like the corpses they are.

Modifié par Tirigon, 03 juin 2012 - 11:43 .

[MarchWaltz]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

I really want this!

Anyone played Resident Evil outbreak te first one? Where your in the hosital in the middle of a forest and those planet like zombies are around? This game reminds of this.

I am really looking forward to this!

Edit: Has her face changed or something? There are no freckles.

Oh and these zombies are the fast ones it seems i don't like the music at the end, sounds cowboyish.

Yup, I used to play it so much online. I wish they never closed the servers or else I would still play it some every now and then. I'm kind of getting that vibe, but its more shadowed by the fact that they are definitely using the Uncharted engine or something. When the guy shoots behind him, he looks exactly like Nathan Drake.

Oh man, I LOVED the outbreak series, it was one of the most fun times I had online! One time, all four of us got split up, 2 and 2, and we assumed the others died, but near the end of the level we all meet up

It was funny because we (I was the doc and the guy with me was the young cop fellow) had a machine gun and a pistol, the men, you know, the "protectors" and the other 2 (cindy and the journalist lady) had a rocket launcher and a grenade launcher and they saved our lives, it was awesome.

I miss the game.

[Blacklash93]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...
Pretty much it is the exact same game, storyline and everything. It feels more like they just wanted to introduce the multiplayer aspect to the series. I mean I'm not alone. Just look up Yahtzee's little review for Uncharted: 3; he even notes this. I know how fanboys of Naughty Dog get. They are good developers, but severely overrated.

U1 and U2 were not identical. At all. You haven't played U2 or U3 if you can't tell the improvements or additions from U1.

Now U2 to U3 was a different story. The premise in both was basically looking for a forgotten city with some big secret while racing against a ruthless, power-hungry antagonist to get to it. And improvments were very few from the former to the latter.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Blacklash93 wrote...

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...
Pretty much it is the exact same game, storyline and everything. It feels more like they just wanted to introduce the multiplayer aspect to the series. I mean I'm not alone. Just look up Yahtzee's little review for Uncharted: 3; he even notes this. I know how fanboys of Naughty Dog get. They are good developers, but severely overrated.

U1 and U2 were not identical. At all. You haven't played U2 or U3 if you can't tell the improvements or additions from U1.

Now U2 to U3 was a different story. The premise in both was basically looking for a forgotten city with some big secret while racing against a ruthless, power-hungry antagonist to get to it. And improvments were very few from the former to the latter.

The premise to U1--race against a power-hungry antagonist to get to a forgotten city (El Dorado) that is full of monsters. Sounds exactly like U2. I haven't played U3, but I really don't feel like buying or playing another expansion pack. That is how the games feel after the first. I own both U1 and U2 by the way. Seriously, nothing changed between the series. Naughty Dog is just releasing the same game over and over with the only difference being an online component.

[Blacklash93]

Ah it's coming back to me now. I only played U1 when it first came out. It really does seems the premise of each one is essentially the same.

But yeah I agree that ND stories aren't as good as everyone makes them out to be. It's typcial hollywood, action B-movie stuff. Lost cities. One-dimensional, utterly forgetable antagonists (can't even remember the bad guy of U1). Over-the-top action scenes. The instances of the main character doing ridiculous things under extreme physcial trauma/wounding/exhaustion; the train scene in U2 had me facepalming and the part after the desert scene in U3 was just jarring.

The series' strengths are the funny and entertaining main characters and the interaction among them. Something U3 neglected badly.

I still think ND are good storytellers, though. Any story can be as tired or ridiculous as it likes but still be told well. The gameplay they do, while not original, is very high quality as well.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 03 juin 2012 - 07:32 .

[slimgrin]

What's unfortunate is zombies are not intelligent enemies. They're an excuse to blow people up. I've yet to see an engaging zombie game, cause in the end it's just them running at you and you with a shot gun blowing them away. Not a very creative game imo. And modern devs are willing to take this shortcut to gore time and again.

Modifié par slimgrin, 04 juin 2012 - 01:47 .

[Rockworm503]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...
Pretty much it is the exact same game, storyline and everything. It feels more like they just wanted to introduce the multiplayer aspect to the series. I mean I'm not alone. Just look up Yahtzee's little review for Uncharted: 3; he even notes this. I know how fanboys of Naughty Dog get. They are good developers, but severely overrated.

U1 and U2 were not identical. At all. You haven't played U2 or U3 if you can't tell the improvements or additions from U1.

Now U2 to U3 was a different story. The premise in both was basically looking for a forgotten city with some big secret while racing against a ruthless, power-hungry antagonist to get to it. And improvments were very few from the former to the latter.

The premise to U1--race against a power-hungry antagonist to get to a forgotten city (El Dorado) that is full of monsters. Sounds exactly like U2. I haven't played U3, but I really don't feel like buying or playing another expansion pack. That is how the games feel after the first. I own both U1 and U2 by the way. Seriously, nothing changed between the series. Naughty Dog is just releasing the same game over and over with the only difference being an online component.

Then you must've hated Indiana Jones because its pretty much stop the badguys from getting the evil hidden relic.
Hell the 3rd one I'm not even convinced there was some monster at the end.  Some crazy water that makes people hallucinate and the only time we see them is when Drake drinks some.
Sure the premise is similar in each but there are enough differences to make each game feel fresh and new.
I'm sorry if you need every game in a series to be completely original for you to enjoy any of it but I think all 3 are great fun and epic.
There's certain parts in 3 that make it my favorite.  The whole shipwreck with the cruise ship during the storm alone!

[Alpha-Centuri]

Uncharted 2 is one of my favorite games of all time because it does such an excellent job in putting you into the role of Nathan Drake. The story isn't amazing or anything like many have said, but hey... neither is anything from Bioware, and yet I still love Mass Effect (1, 2, and mostly 3). I don't think you can put a strike against Naughty Dog for not reinvinting the literary wheel in terms of the story because that seems like a mighty hard standard to live up to. The characters are fantastic, the dynamic between Sully and Drake is top notch, and I haven't seen a game with better banter, one liners, and quips.

The game approaches movies in terms of storytelling. The story itself isn't great, but the presentation is fantastic. Avatar is Dances with Wolves with aliens, but I certainly have no regrets seeing the movie because it was a technical marvel, and told the story well, even if its a story that has been told many times.

If people really expect Metal Gear Solid level story in every video game, you are going to be severely disappointed in.. well everything not MGS. If you deconstruct anything Bioware related, you well see a generic story, an obvious antagonist, and a xanatos gambit at some point. But I found Bioware's games to be excellent in terms of character interaction, illusion of choice, and exploration. They are well-done, and allow me to appreciate the game while over-looking some of it's literary flaws.

Not everyone likes the same things, everyone has their tastes, etc., but it is a little disheartening when others use a measuring stick to declare why something is bad, when many of their favorite games wouldn't hold up to the same measuring stick. From that alone, it tells me that at the very least there is something else that bothers them about the game, not the stuff they list. If it was, they wouldn't like a plethora of things that they no doubt like (i.e. Bioware. We are all on the site, so i'm sure at some point we all liked one of their games). It must be lack of customization, linear gameplay, something...

All-in-all, Naughty Dog is pretty high on the list in terms of storytelling and story immersion for me. Their story might not be ZOMG amazing, but the sum of their work is excellent. Nathan Drake feels like a modern day Indiana Jones (one of my favorite trilogies of all time.. I don't count Crystal.. I try and forget it).

[Some Geth]

Jak 3, Uncharted 2 and 3 are my favorites of Naughty Dog's storytelling. Fun adventures and cool characters.

Modifié par Some Geth, 04 juin 2012 - 06:02 .

[Rockworm503]

I sure don't want more of MGS. Overloaded with cutscenes and a story that simply makes no sense. I could deconstruct it but I don't feel like it. I'll take Uncharted over MGS any day.

[naughty99]

Wow, this E3 gameplay footage has blown my mind.

Sadly, no one will ever be able to play this game in 1080p with high res textures, AA, AF, etc., because it is not available for PC.

Love post apocalyptic stories, and for the first time in my life I'm almost tempted to buy a PS3...but not quite tempted enough. 

Modifié par naughty99, 05 juin 2012 - 09:01 .

[HoonDing]

Looks like a video game version of that new Whedon show.

[Rockworm503]

HoonDing wrote...

Looks like a video game version of that new Whedon show.

huh?

[Naughty Bear]

Just watched the gameplay of it, looks so awesome and brutal.

[naughty99]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Just watched the gameplay of it, looks so awesome and brutal.

Yes, it's hard to believe everything was gameplay.

I mean, you have an option to take enemies hostage, somehow? It seems like a lot of fun.

Modifié par naughty99, 05 juin 2012 - 11:39 .