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[AlanC9]

Purge the heathens wrote...
If they're so advanced, they could at least have the decency to be completely invulnerable to conventional weaponry.

Heh. Yeah, if they'd spent a cycle doing research on better weapons they wouldn't have to bother worrying about getting killed by a dreadnaught.

Hey, I've got it. The Reapers simply think that war is fun --  maybe they're even competing for how many organics each Reaper can kill. So they exterminate all technological species and then go off and do the Reaper equivalent of drinking beer for 50,000 years while the game board resets itself. You wouldn't want to be completely invincible -- we don't play games with God mode on all the time.

Modifié par AlanC9, 05 juin 2012 - 04:57 .

[The Spamming Troll]

AlanC9 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...
what im saying is ME4s plot line should have been shepard and crew UNITED with the reapers to stop the spread of dark matter.

Assuming you're serious.... exactly what would Shepard be able to contribute towards solving the dark energy problem? Or anyone on the crew except for scientists? It's not like you can shoot dark energy and kill it.

define "dark energy" then i can tell you what shepard can or cant do to stop it.

im sure a squad of 3 will always be needed to do something in the MEuniverse!

[AlanC9]

Define dark energy? Have you actually been reading the thread?

Seriously, if you don't know what dark energy is, why are you endorsing it as a better explanation?

Modifié par AlanC9, 05 juin 2012 - 05:06 .

[Getorex]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...
what im saying is ME4s plot line should have been shepard and crew UNITED with the reapers to stop the spread of dark matter.

Assuming you're serious.... exactly what would Shepard be able to contribute towards solving the dark energy problem? Or anyone on the crew except for scientists? It's not like you can shoot dark energy and kill it.

define "dark energy" then i can tell you what shepard can or cant do to stop it.

im sure a squad of 3 will always be needed to do something in the MEuniverse!

Dark energy, the true nature of it, is not known though there are various ideas.  It apparently exists in RL and since it exists, it clearly has some nature.   

Shepard can't do jack about dark energy.  The whole basis for the reapers, hugely advanced AIs, is that they are advanced enough and continually advancing enough to (hopefully) be able to find some sort of solution.  With that, what would make ANYONE think that some individual is going to be able to do Jack about it?  It is something that would require the scientific research of whole civilizations, not some mere individual with a big gun.

Modifié par Getorex, 05 juin 2012 - 05:31 .

[Getorex]

AlanC9 wrote...

Define dark energy? Have you actually been reading the thread?

Seriously, if you don't know what dark energy is, why are you endorsing it as a better explanation?

It is not possible to understand what dark energy actually is and this isn't required for it to exist AND be the valid basis for a "problem" in a story.  As it apparently DOES exist and no one truly understands its nature (yet at least) it is not silly.  Silly is creating AIs to destroy organics to prevent them from making their own synthetics to destroy them first.  Silly is the idea, as if it is some physical law, that "all synthetics turn on their creators".  Childish is what that is. 
Dark energy, on the other hand, is adult as it is adult RL scientists and theorists who detect its presence and offer up possible explanations for it.  

A better ending is any ending that is self-consistent, can stand on its own logic (adult logic, not the logic of toddlers - and no, I do not refer to the star kid toddler but to RL toddlers). 

You don't understand how something can be both a particle AND a wave at the same time (because NO ONE does) but that IS the way it is.  Understanding it is beside the point.  You cannot mentally picture more than 3 dimensions but that doesn't mean that more than 3 don't exist or that math can't easily deal with many more than 3 dimensions.  NO one can actually grasp more than 3 dimensions.  NO one can picture a 6-dimensional cube but you can describe one mathematically.  

Modifié par Getorex, 05 juin 2012 - 05:33 .

[Getorex]

Fibonacci wrote...

The problem with look to the Dark Energy Plot for answeres is that the plot never really existed. It was sort of a comment or a very rough idea thrown out in a brainstorming session but was never given any detail.

So a few tidbits were tossed in to give it a little foreshadowing but the details were put off for later work. Only later never came. When it was time to work on the ending, the DE thinker was working on another project and no plot was ever created. Making a story for the ending was relagated to Milt Q Llama III and associates. It was done at the last minute at great expense and in a completely different style.

Pretty much this. 

This also illustrates why you do NOT do a "saga" game, a "story arc" without having the story finished and laid out BEFORE you do the game development.  You should have the major aspects of the story well at hand when actual game development begins.  Otherwise you get a last minute throw-away RGB ending slapped on the end with duct tape and paste.

[gbemery]

I don't understand how people think this would make no sense in the terms of why build a reaper to stop dark energy. The thing is every reaper is a conglomeration of advanced civilizations with all their knowledge and perspective of the universe. The reapers are basically super computers. They harvest all the advanced organic life to add their unique knowledge and perception to their own which adds two things
1. A new reaper super computer and thus more processing power
2. A new way of thinking and perspective of sciences and the universe that are unique to that race in which they may think of something the others never would have.

The reapers then go back to dark space to allow other organics to evolve that way those races can possibly evolve into the race that provides the answer to the dark energy problem. But until then the reapers "hibernate" in dark space to process different solutions to the dark energy problem and the reason they continue the cycles is because they simply haven't found any solution yet and they need more processing power and unique knowledge.

Now for the answer to why they are giant battleships...simple they have to be inorder to forcefully harvest these civilizations into the monstrous super computers the reapers want to create. Basically the reapers think the ends justify the means. They feel they can justify the monstrous harvesting of trillions of organics if they ultimately save all organic life in the long run. All the the civilizations before will have made the ultimate sacrifice inorder for life to ultimately one day be able to live on and not be destroyed by the dark energy crisis.

Modifié par gbemery, 05 juin 2012 - 07:43 .

[AlanC9]

Getorex wrote...
It is not possible to understand what dark energy actually is and this isn't required for it to exist AND be the valid basis for a "problem" in a story.  As it apparently DOES exist and no one truly understands its nature (yet at least) it is not silly.  Silly is creating AIs to destroy organics to prevent them from making their own synthetics to destroy them first.  Silly is the idea, as if it is some physical law, that "all synthetics turn on their creators".  Childish is what that is.  
Dark energy, on the other hand, is adult as it is adult RL scientists and theorists who detect its presence and offer up possible explanations for it.  

A better ending is any ending that is self-consistent, can stand on its own logic (adult logic, not the logic of toddlers - and no, I do not refer to the star kid toddler but to RL toddlers).  

OK, so, how would you suddenly introduce the Dark Energy as an "enemy" in ME3 and actually wrap up the story? Or is this the part where people do a handwave and say "Well, I'm not a writer so I don't know what they'd do, but a really good writer could take this idea and make it into something super awesome that we'd all love"?

You don't understand how something can be both a particle AND a wave at the same time (because NO ONE does) but that IS the way it is.  Understanding it is beside the point.  You cannot mentally picture more than 3 dimensions but that doesn't mean that more than 3 don't exist or that math can't easily deal with many more than 3 dimensions.  NO one can actually grasp more than 3 dimensions.  NO one can picture a 6-dimensional cube but you can describe one mathematically.  

What was the point of this paragraph?

OH, I see. Meaning that we don't need to completely understand what it actually is in order to fight it? OK, but we still weed to know something about it. OTOH, Bio could always paper that over with technobabble.

Modifié par AlanC9, 05 juin 2012 - 09:33 .

[AlanC9]

gbemery wrote...

I don't understand how people think this would make no sense in the terms of why build a reaper to stop dark energy. The thing is every reaper is a conglomeration of advanced civilizations with all their knowledge and perspective of the universe. The reapers are basically super computers. They harvest all the advanced organic life to add their unique knowledge and perception to their own which adds two things
1. A new reaper super computer and thus more processing power
2. A new way of thinking and perspective of sciences and the universe that are unique to that race in which they may think of something the others never would have.

How does evolving differently give you access to different scientific knowledge? Isn't it kind of the point of science that it works for everyone? Anyone who tries to measure the speed of light in a vacuum gets the same number.

But OK, for anyone who can somehow swallow this sort of mystical B.S. I guess it would kinda sorta work. It still doesn't explain why the Reapers are willing to put up with 50,000 year cycles.

Modifié par AlanC9, 05 juin 2012 - 09:33 .

[superg30]

Indoctrination theory= possible if you believe in it and follow the evidence.

Dark Energy bulls**t= WTF is this s**t, doesn't make no sense for nothing.

(dark energy comment wasn't ment to make sense, just like it's theory)

Modifié par superg30, 05 juin 2012 - 10:33 .

[superg30]

gbemery wrote...

I don't understand how people think this would make no sense in the terms of why build a reaper to stop dark energy. The thing is every reaper is a conglomeration of advanced civilizations with all their knowledge and perspective of the universe. The reapers are basically super computers. They harvest all the advanced organic life to add their unique knowledge and perception to their own which adds two things
1. A new reaper super computer and thus more processing power
2. A new way of thinking and perspective of sciences and the universe that are unique to that race in which they may think of something the others never would have.

The reapers then go back to dark space to allow other organics to evolve that way those races can possibly evolve into the race that provides the answer to the dark energy problem. But until then the reapers "hibernate" in dark space to process different solutions to the dark energy problem and the reason they continue the cycles is because they simply haven't found any solution yet and they need more processing power and unique knowledge.

Now for the answer to why they are giant battleships...simple they have to be inorder to forcefully harvest these civilizations into the monstrous super computers the reapers want to create. Basically the reapers think the ends justify the means. They feel they can justify the monstrous harvesting of trillions of organics if they ultimately save all organic life in the long run. All the the civilizations before will have made the ultimate sacrifice inorder for life to ultimately one day be able to live on and not be destroyed by the dark energy crisis.

If your suggesting that the Reapers are like the Geth, all linked together in consenses, that would make no sense at all.

If all Reapers where 'connected' to eachother, each one knew what the other knew then why did the Reapers not immediatley storm into the galaxy from dark space when Soveriegn was destroyed and thus the galaxy knowing (but not all believing) that the Reapers exist? Plus the Reapers are fully evolved SENTIENT BEINGS, meaning that each one thinks and acts on it's own, Harbinger is the 'Head/Boss' Reaper, which wouldn't be needed if they all thought together and if the Reapers really were trying to figure out this dark energy bullsh*t for millions of years, why hasn't this "Dark Energy" destroyed the universe by now?

And at the end of ME3 when the child talks to you, he says that without them (the Reapers) synthetics would destroy the galaxy, which means that somewhere in time a civilization was nearly wiped out by synthetics and they built the Reapers to harvest the advanced civilizations of the galaxy before they make super adv. synthetics (more powerful than the Geth) to make sure that there is a galaxy left for the still evolving future life forms, because if synthetics wiped out all organic life, why would they let evolving organics live?

And the Reapers leave the Citadel. Mass Relays, etc... intact to make sure that all future civilizations will evolve somewhat along the same lines, as eventually some where in time some future civilizations will evolve faster than others and need to be harvested sooner, leaving a gap where the slower evolving ones would be left with technology in say....what we had in the 1700's, which would pose no threat to the galaxy and would not to be harvested, and by the time they the Reapers arrived again at the end of the cycle to harvest the adv. civilizations, the synthetics they the 1700's civilization created might already have destroyed the galaxy. And with no way to monitor when a civilization needs to be harvested, the 50k year cycle would provide more than enough time for all 'evolved' species to be at the level where they pose a threat to the galaxy but leave slower species in their 1st or 2nd stage of evolution, just like how Javik says he remebers the Salarians as lizard people who ate flies, or the Hanar as minnos in the sea. Those species are allowed to evolve and are not harvested, as it would be pointless to harvest them.

Also even if one civilization learned not to make synthetics, and the Reapers didn't exist, there's only so many planets in the galaxy, not all habitable, eventually the galaxy would run out of space and resources, just like what happened with the Drell, therefore eventually wiping out life in the galaxy for ever, and whose to say that the Reapers only harvest the Milky Way galaxy? There could be other Reapers that harvest other galaxies to ensure the same thing.

And the end of ME3 and the Crucible plans were a test most likely created by the same civilization that created the Reapers, it tests if a Civilization first has the will to survive by thinking, building the crucible, not to just try to muscle and beat the Reapers into submission and wether or not they are willing to A.) Give into the power synthetics can have (control), B.) Give into synthetics and become one yourself, which would again put the galaxy in danger (synthesis), or C.) Regect synthetics and live as organics should, organic (destroy), they also try to trick the choice maker by telling them things like this will be better, even though it won't, or this is bad, when it's not. And depending on which choice a civilization makes, determines if A.) choose A, wanting the power synthetics hold tells the Reapers that this cycle does not deserve to continue and to continue wiping it out, and projects images into the choice maker's head making them believe they made the right choice as this action will kill the choice maker, B.) choose B, accepting synthetics shows the Reapers that the cycle will try to make themselves synthetic showing again that the cycle does not deserve to continue and projecting the same images to the choice maker as choice A as this choice again kills the choice maker, and finally C.) choose C, reject the power of synthetics and live without them, therefore showing the Reapers that that civilization is worthy of living for another cycle, but will still be destroyed some time in the future by other 'Reapers', as most likely not all Reapers go to harvest at the end of a cycle.


I know this is going to sound stupid but going off this theory of mine, the Reapers probably killed the dinosaurs as the Reapers saw humans in the steps of being evolved and saw the Dinosaurs as a threat to the humanspecies, so they wiped out the Dinosaurs, which is what they're programmed to do, kill one species to protect another.


*Not 100% on this but this theory of mine makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than the Indoctrination theory(as much sense as that makes) or this Dark Energy theory which makes next to no sense what so ever, comment is you like it or not.*

Modifié par superg30, 05 juin 2012 - 11:02 .

[Fedelm]

AlanC9 wrote...

How does evolving differently give you access to different scientific knowledge? Isn't it kind of the point of science that it works for everyone? Anyone who tries to measure the speed of light in a vacuum gets the same number.

Well, it doesn't mean that it would be the same way of measurement. Different world outlook - different paradigms and means. Somebody would succeed, somebody would fail...

And I really want to say to all people who think that unknown reaper's motivation is better then known: you deserve The star kid. Honestly.   (scriptwritters: why bother? Lets make some crap and many many strange and illogical hints. This will work out. They will imagine everything they need by themselves. Nice job!)

Do not take offence. Just think. By rejecting the meaning of real motives there is only one way - a little bit of space magic, as long as the united galaxy forces can't defeat the Reapers (it's obvious).

Modifié par Fedelm, 05 juin 2012 - 10:56 .

[Fedelm]

superg30 wrote...

If your suggesting that the Reapers are like the Geth, all linked together in consenses, that would make no sense at all.

If all Reapers where 'connected' to eachother, each one knew what the other knew then why did the Reapers not immediatley storm into the galaxy from dark space when Soveriegn was destroyed and thus the galaxy knowing (but not all believing) that the Reapers exist? Plus the Reapers are fully evolved SENTIENT BEINGS, meaning that each one thinks and acts on it's own, Harbinger is the 'Head/Boss' Reaper, which wouldn't be needed if they all thought together and if the Reapers really were trying to figure out this dark energy bullsh*t for millions of years, why hasn't this "Dark Energy" destroyed the universe by now?

And at the end of ME3 when the child talks to you, he says that without them (the Reapers) synthetics would destroy the galaxy, which means that somewhere in time a civilization was nearly wiped out by synthetics and they built the Reapers to harvest the advanced civilizations of the galaxy before they make super adv. synthetics (more powerful than the Geth) to make sure that there is a galaxy left for the still evolving future life forms, because if synthetics wiped out all organic life, why would they let evolving organics live?

And the Reapers leave the Citadel. Mass Relays, etc... intact to make sure that all future civilizations will evolve somewhat along the same lines, as eventually some where in time some future civilizations will evolve faster than others and need to be harvested sooner, leaving a gap where the slower evolving ones would be left with technology in say....what we had in the 1700's, which would pose no threat to the galaxy and would not to be harvested, and by the time they the Reapers arrived again at the end of the cycle to harvest the adv. civilizations, the synthetics they the 1700's civilization created might already have destroyed the galaxy. And with no way to monitor when a civilization needs to be harvested, the 50k year cycle would provide more than enough time for all 'evolved' species to be at the level where they pose a threat to the galaxy but leave slower species in their 1st or 2nd stage of evolution, just like how Javik says he remebers the Salarians as lizard people who ate flies, or the Hanar as minnos in the sea. Those species are allowed to evolve and are not harvested, as it would be pointless to harvest them.

I know this is going to sound stupid but going off this theory of mine, the Reapers probably killed the dinosaurs as the Reapers saw humans in the steps of being evolved and saw the Dinosaurs as a threat to the humanspecies, so they wiped out the Dinosaurs, which is what they're programmed to do, kill one species to protect another.

Did you listen the dialogs in the game attentively? Did you read books? It seems to me that no. As you don't understand enough the way that astrophysical processes work. Really, there are the answers to your questions in the game and in simple logic.

[superg30]

Fedelm wrote...

superg30 wrote...

If your suggesting that the Reapers are like the Geth, all linked together in consenses, that would make no sense at all.

If all Reapers where 'connected' to eachother, each one knew what the other knew then why did the Reapers not immediatley storm into the galaxy from dark space when Soveriegn was destroyed and thus the galaxy knowing (but not all believing) that the Reapers exist? Plus the Reapers are fully evolved SENTIENT BEINGS, meaning that each one thinks and acts on it's own, Harbinger is the 'Head/Boss' Reaper, which wouldn't be needed if they all thought together and if the Reapers really were trying to figure out this dark energy bullsh*t for millions of years, why hasn't this "Dark Energy" destroyed the universe by now?

And at the end of ME3 when the child talks to you, he says that without them (the Reapers) synthetics would destroy the galaxy, which means that somewhere in time a civilization was nearly wiped out by synthetics and they built the Reapers to harvest the advanced civilizations of the galaxy before they make super adv. synthetics (more powerful than the Geth) to make sure that there is a galaxy left for the still evolving future life forms, because if synthetics wiped out all organic life, why would they let evolving organics live?

And the Reapers leave the Citadel. Mass Relays, etc... intact to make sure that all future civilizations will evolve somewhat along the same lines, as eventually some where in time some future civilizations will evolve faster than others and need to be harvested sooner, leaving a gap where the slower evolving ones would be left with technology in say....what we had in the 1700's, which would pose no threat to the galaxy and would not to be harvested, and by the time they the Reapers arrived again at the end of the cycle to harvest the adv. civilizations, the synthetics they the 1700's civilization created might already have destroyed the galaxy. And with no way to monitor when a civilization needs to be harvested, the 50k year cycle would provide more than enough time for all 'evolved' species to be at the level where they pose a threat to the galaxy but leave slower species in their 1st or 2nd stage of evolution, just like how Javik says he remebers the Salarians as lizard people who ate flies, or the Hanar as minnos in the sea. Those species are allowed to evolve and are not harvested, as it would be pointless to harvest them.

I know this is going to sound stupid but going off this theory of mine, the Reapers probably killed the dinosaurs as the Reapers saw humans in the steps of being evolved and saw the Dinosaurs as a threat to the humanspecies, so they wiped out the Dinosaurs, which is what they're programmed to do, kill one species to protect another.

Did you listen the dialogs in the game attentively? Did you read books? It seems to me that no. As you don't understand enough the way that astrophysical processes work. Really, there are the answers to your questions in the game and in simple logic.

Dialogues in the game? this coming from the guy who, going off your profile, joined these forums 2 months ago and has apparently only played ME3, so pleeeeeeeease, elaborate on your argument.

Modifié par superg30, 05 juin 2012 - 11:10 .

[Sidney]

AlanC9 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

"Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh. You touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension."

In one sense, that kind of works. If they're super-intelligent we wouldn't be able to follow their thinking.

They are basically right, the logic of the starkid didn't make a lick of sense to me.

[mauro2222]

Sidney wrote...

They are basically right, the logic of the starkid didn't make a lick of sense to me.

The logic of a retarded A.I who lacks the ablity to learn is never going to make sense.

[Getorex]

AlanC9 wrote...

Purge the heathens wrote...
If they're so advanced, they could at least have the decency to be completely invulnerable to conventional weaponry.

Heh. Yeah, if they'd spent a cycle doing research on better weapons they wouldn't have to bother worrying about getting killed by a dreadnaught.

Hey, I've got it. The Reapers simply think that war is fun --  maybe they're even competing for how many organics each Reaper can kill. So they exterminate all technological species and then go off and do the Reaper equivalent of drinking beer for 50,000 years while the game board resets itself. You wouldn't want to be completely invincible -- we don't play games with God mode on all the time.

Be as advanced as you want to be but a primative tool like an icepick through your eye will kill you just fine.  Advanced doesn't save you.

How does "advanced" help ultra-modern soldiers vs Al Qaeda primatives?  Sure the bodycount is very lopsided but those primatives remove heads of the advanced just the same.  A stone age bow-and-arrow will kill the most advanced 21st century man just as well as it did stone age man. 

[Getorex]

Sidney wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

"Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh. You touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension."

In one sense, that kind of works. If they're super-intelligent we wouldn't be able to follow their thinking.

They are basically right, the logic of the starkid didn't make a lick of sense to me.

It has nothing to do with intelligence.  An alien mind is alien and cannot be understood.  You think you could "understand" the mind of a preying mantis?  Or a shark?  Or a squid?  Alien minds in every sense but related to you in evolutionary history.  An actual alien would have zero connection to your evolutionary history whatsoever, so take that and then stick intelligence on top of it and you are lost.  At best you can talk 1+1=2 and other basic univesals.

[Getorex]

AlanC9 wrote...

Getorex wrote...
It is not possible to understand what dark energy actually is and this isn't required for it to exist AND be the valid basis for a "problem" in a story.  As it apparently DOES exist and no one truly understands its nature (yet at least) it is not silly.  Silly is creating AIs to destroy organics to prevent them from making their own synthetics to destroy them first.  Silly is the idea, as if it is some physical law, that "all synthetics turn on their creators".  Childish is what that is.  
Dark energy, on the other hand, is adult as it is adult RL scientists and theorists who detect its presence and offer up possible explanations for it.  

A better ending is any ending that is self-consistent, can stand on its own logic (adult logic, not the logic of toddlers - and no, I do not refer to the star kid toddler but to RL toddlers).  

OK, so, how would you suddenly introduce the Dark Energy as an "enemy" in ME3 and actually wrap up the story? Or is this the part where people do a handwave and say "Well, I'm not a writer so I don't know what they'd do, but a really good writer could take this idea and make it into something super awesome that we'd all love"?

You don't understand how something can be both a particle AND a wave at the same time (because NO ONE does) but that IS the way it is.  Understanding it is beside the point.  You cannot mentally picture more than 3 dimensions but that doesn't mean that more than 3 don't exist or that math can't easily deal with many more than 3 dimensions.  NO one can actually grasp more than 3 dimensions.  NO one can picture a 6-dimensional cube but you can describe one mathematically.  

What was the point of this paragraph?

OH, I see. Meaning that we don't need to completely understand what it actually is in order to fight it? OK, but we still weed to know something about it. OTOH, Bio could always paper that over with technobabble.

Dark energy was introduced in ME2, not out of the blue in ME3.  What they failed to do was continue with the dark energy thread in ME3.  They brought it up in ME2 and then dropped it even though it was originally intended back then to be key in the ending.  Not out of the blue. 

The point of the last paragraph was simply to address that bit, "if you don't know what dark energy is then how can you say it is better than the current ending..."  You do not need to actually understand what dark energy is for it to have a valid roll in the plot.  No one understands dark energy yet but it doesn't mean it is useless and not incorporated into modern cosmological theory.  Understanding can come later (if ever).  The meaning of what you were saying may have been different than what I took from it.

Without understanding dark energy, it is still a good plot device.  Also a good plot device would have been leaving the motives of the reapers "beyond our understanding".  They can remain a mystery and you could still bring the game to a satisfying close. 

Basically it is not necessary to truly understand everything fully in a story for the story to still make sense, be self-consistent, and logical. 

Modifié par Getorex, 06 juin 2012 - 01:31 .

[Disgruntled Shepard]

friendlybatarian wrote...

This sounds even stupider than what we got.

Well having to chose between destroying the reapers but risking destroying the galxy or sacrificing at least part of the galaxy (as in humanity) but save the galaxy fits my definition of beeter sweet ending much more than listening to starkid, taking what he says at face value even when he does a very poor job himself and geting colour themed ending. Geting Shep killed yes or yes, isn't beeter sweet, it plainly sucks, specially since he dies for no reasonable reasson yes or yes.

[DevilBeast]

Sejborg wrote...

 Dark energy? Sounds like space magic to me. 

Dark energy, anti-matter whatever it´s called might seem like space magic, but it might actually exist.

[DevilBeast]

It´s strange how humans, in Mass Effect, are portrayed as being more genetic diverse than all the other species considering that on Earth we are one of the least diverse.

[DevilBeast]

Rickets wrote...

It's interesting. Could relate to Biotics and more.

And the very title of the series.

[Sidney]

Getorex wrote...
It has nothing to do with intelligence.  An alien mind is alien and cannot be understood.  You think you could "understand" the mind of a preying mantis?  Or a shark?  Or a squid?  Alien minds in every sense but related to you in evolutionary history.  An actual alien would have zero connection to your evolutionary history whatsoever, so take that and then stick intelligence on top of it and you are lost.  At best you can talk 1+1=2 and other basic univesals.

Sure I understand a Mantis or shark...kill, eat, mate. Simple creatures.

The idea that we couldn't understand aliens is pretty much undermined by the whole series where we have no issues understanding other species - quarians, asari, turians - that are also intellegent and alien to us. Intellegence creates motives that can be understood. Take your garden variety mass murdering nutjob of the 20th century. Take your pick of the usual cast of offenders they all had a reason, a brutal "logic" that informed their actions That logic is ill founded, wrong and all sorts of other things but it is internally coherent to itself. When you bury millions of people in the name of the great socialist future it is not incomprehensible IF you understand the theory operating behind it. The Reaper kill on an epic scale and killing on that scale requires a cause - a bigger picture. That bigger picture can be understood.

[AmyMac]

Another thought on this: Dark Energy does (appear to) interact with gravity, and if you think about the lore of the game, where mass effect drives/element zero is used to allow FTL travel, they could have made up something where the gravitational anomalies created by advanced galactic civilizations' use of mass effect technology are interfering with the evolution/expansion of the universe via DE, which is why the Reapers kill advanced civilizations but not primitive ones.