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[Aifell_Ellion]

newman982 wrote...

Morrowcet wrote...

It's supposedly 'imbalanced' to the effect of being 'too powerful' (which is bunko, as so many people have pointed out). On paper, the only reasonable solution to that imbalance is to make it less poweful.

You are the one suggesting that some kind of corrective action should be taken for a state of imbalance.  I personally dont think so, as I realize that this is a  PVE game.  You mention a "reasonable solution" whereas I do not think a solution is required at all.

Yea, you've just created this thread to whine, that's it.

[lpconfig]

TimonPumba wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...


With Calymore I will one shot that Ravager without needing to close in and step into his acid and swarmers. I will 1-2 shot that Brute from safe distance without having to empty a clip point blank with Reegar, reload, dodge the Brute and unload a clip again.

That's not true. The Claymore is good, but not that good. If you find me a video to proof your statement I'll apologize, but the Claymore I is not capable of one shooting a Ravager. Even my Claymore V can't do this.

A claymore infiltrator can easily kill a brute with a proxy mine and a single shot afterward.  Same for ravagers.

[Gwinever]

TimonPumba wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...


With Calymore I will one shot that Ravager without needing to close in and step into his acid and swarmers. I will 1-2 shot that Brute from safe distance without having to empty a clip point blank with Reegar, reload, dodge the Brute and unload a clip again.

That's not true. The Claymore is good, but not that good. If you find me a video to proof your statement I'll apologize, but the Claymore I is not capable of one shooting a Ravager. Even my Claymore V can't do this.

Claymore X can when fully buffed + prox mine

[Mendelevosa]

*Sigh* Why do people always have to start shiz on every thread? Stardusk just wanted to show just how broken the gun is. Besides, I heard the Reegar Carbine is bugged since it does 3x more damage than it should.

[lpconfig]

Aifell_Ellion wrote...

newman982 wrote...

Morrowcet wrote...

It's supposedly 'imbalanced' to the effect of being 'too powerful' (which is bunko, as so many people have pointed out). On paper, the only reasonable solution to that imbalance is to make it less poweful.

You are the one suggesting that some kind of corrective action should be taken for a state of imbalance.  I personally dont think so, as I realize that this is a  PVE game.  You mention a "reasonable solution" whereas I do not think a solution is required at all.

Yea, you've just created this thread to whine, that's it.

I didnt realize that I created this thread.

[horangi88]

Kronner wrote...

Anyway, I have no issue with Reegar. I do not enjoy that, so I am not using it. Simple as that for me.

This. Kronner, the voice of reason.

[Kronner]

Slimjim0725 wrote...

There are many players that can not survive close encounters or manage to kill 3-4 low tier enemies the way some of the "skilled" players do, simple as that. Some are not great at aiming, some don't know when to retreat to recover. Also saying the Claymore is not OP, but this is? Maybe you didn't see the 12:11 speed run that I did, but I saw 3 Claymore users, not Reegar.

 

Yes, some of the best players with great aim, mastered reload cancel, effective game plan, and 20 rockets did that on the smallest map. It takes some serious skill to get it done. It's not the weapon that's OP, it's the players. Reegar requires far less skill to be used at maximum potential, which is why some people are calling for nerfs.

Also, just FYI, they also did a 13 mins something run with Reegar..and no rockets. Would be around 10 minutes with rockets so, yea.

[laurencium]

nicethugbert wrote...

newman982 wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

But, laurencium is not introducing a weakness or fallacy.  Stardusk's point of view revolves around the idea of skill.  Laurencium is addressing it directly.  Grall and Claymore are easier to use, more effective, than Disciple.  So, doesn't it require more skill to use Disciple?  If so then, Stardusk and yourself should want to see Graal and Claymore nerfed.

He is actually.  He is assuming that the "power gap" between claymore and disciple is comparable to the one between claymore and reegar.  They arent.  Reegar outright wrecks the claymore with ease.  That said, I dont really care if the reegar gets nerfed or not.  Saying something is overpowered is not the same as saying it should be nerfed.

Power gap is irrelevant.  The fact remains that Disciple requires more skill therefore if maximal skill is your concern then Disciple is preferable over Graal and Claymore.  If unprefered weapons must be nerfed then so must Graal and Claymore.

Yes, and even more importantly, it is his opinion of which weapon requires more skills. He thinks Reegar requires less skills than his favorite weapons Graal and Claymore, and so he calls for a nerf (and yes he did call for a nerf, in text and in video). I think Graal and Claymore requires less skills than my favorite Disciple, do I go about starting threads complaining about it calling for a nerf? Just to ruin Stardusk's or any other Graal/Claymore-fans' day?

[Mandalore313]

I don't always play with a reegar carbine, but when I do, I listen to this.

[SlimJim0725]

@TimonPumba: Search for the Speed Run Hall of Fame thread, record set by 3 Claymore and 1 Krysae. They may or may not have been able to top it with the Reegar, but cloak/proxy mine/shoot was 1-2 shot kills on everything except Banshee.

[lpconfig]

Graal and Claymore are both good, but I would not call myself a claymore fan. Id rather use a wraith or a saber.

[L. Han]

Yeah! Wraith with Quarian infiltrator is pretty fun.

Tho the Sabotage nerf was abit, lame. Ungh.

[laurencium]

TimonPumba wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...


With Calymore I will one shot that Ravager without needing to close in and step into his acid and swarmers. I will 1-2 shot that Brute from safe distance without having to empty a clip point blank with Reegar, reload, dodge the Brute and unload a clip again.

That's not true. The Claymore is good, but not that good. If you find me a video to proof your statement I'll apologize, but the Claymore I is not capable of one shooting a Ravager. Even my Claymore V can't do this.

Why talk about Claymore I all the sudden? No one says Reegar I is overpowered.

Also, check out this video. It's titled "Claymore is Broken!!!" He was even one-shotting Brutes.

Modifié par laurencium, 02 juin 2012 - 11:49 .

[TimonPumba]

Air Quotes wrote...


Claymore V? Who says anything about Claymore V? We're talking Claymore X my friend. With ANY infiltrator and cloak you can kill a ravager in 1 shot. From a safe distance. Not every time, but most of the time. And GI will wreck it every time. 
With Reegar you have to be point blank. Then shoot for a 2-3 seconds while enemies are shooting AT YOU. And on death the Ravager will relase a bunch of swarmers that will eat you if you don't retreat IMMEDIATLY.

I read your "I" as "1". So I thought you were talking about the Claymore 1. My mistake.

But the Reegar is powerfull on every class, while you can only one shot with the Claymore as an Infiltrator.

[Influ]

Gwinever wrote...

horangi88 wrote...

Nissun wrote...

horangi88 wrote...

Why does anyone care if a gun is too powerful? I don't use the Reegar, but I don't care if anyone else does and I don't think it should be nerfed. I get my kills and have fun. Let other people do the same, whichever way they like.

For me the problem starts the moment I equip another weapon dependant of getting close to the enemy, but can't kill anything because the guy with the Reegar comes in right beside me and kills everything around before I can empty a single clip.

That is simply not funny.

But the same kill hogging can happen with a sniper, claymore, BE, Nade Spam etc. I don't see you point.

except most of those take time and a bit of luck (except nades but you gotta refill those) reegar has a quick reload and can kill 3 mooks with 1 clip in 1.5 seconds

Reegar shares the same reload time with the Claymore, Scimitar, GPS and Graal. Those are all the slowest reloading shotguns. This isn't even the first time I've seen someone claim it has quick reloads. It's fairly obvious if you have actually used any of those weapons for a bit.

Also, guess what the scouter says about the OPs whine level?

[SlimJim0725]

@Kronner: The point you made is that they are SKILLED PLAYERS. The majority of the ME3 community (at least on Xbox) are not even close to this type of skill. Just because the select few can make a gun work to be amazing without dying over and over does not mean others can do the same. If you don't like it, stick with friends that won't use it.

[horangi88]

Gwinever wrote...

horangi88 wrote...

Nissun wrote...

horangi88 wrote...

Why does anyone care if a gun is too powerful? I don't use the Reegar, but I don't care if anyone else does and I don't think it should be nerfed. I get my kills and have fun. Let other people do the same, whichever way they like.

For me the problem starts the moment I equip another weapon dependant of getting close to the enemy, but can't kill anything because the guy with the Reegar comes in right beside me and kills everything around before I can empty a single clip.

That is simply not funny.

But the same kill hogging can happen with a sniper, claymore, BE, Nade Spam etc. I don't see you point.

except most of those take time and a bit of luck (except nades but you gotta refill those) reegar has a quick reload and can kill 3 mooks with 1 clip in 1.5 seconds

Any good 3 shot sniper can do that as well, no luck needed. Lots of things can kill multiple mooks quickly in this game. If you are worried about kill hogging, kill stuff faster.

[Kronner]

Air Quotes wrote...

Claymore V? Who says anything about Claymore V? We're talking Claymore X my friend. With ANY infiltrator and cloak you can kill a ravager in 1 shot. From a safe distance. Not every time, but most of the time. And GI will wreck it every time. 
With Reegar you have to be point blank. Then shoot for 2-3 seconds while enemies are shooting AT YOU. And on death the Ravager will relase a bunch of swarmers that will eat you if you don't retreat IMMEDIATLY.

It is not possible to directly compare weapons. At least not in such nitpicky way.

Against Cerberus, which throws only one really dangerous enemy at you - the phantom biatch - Reegar is so much better than anything else against phantoms it is not even funny. You can literally fry the biatch in one second flat, and her ridiculous cartwheeling is not gonna help her. A Claymore headshot kills phantom ONLY when she's static, otherwise she has insane damage reduction, and even 3 straight headshots will not kill her. Graal is much better against phantoms than Claymore as well.

Against geth, Reegar is the best shotgun again, as no other shotgun is as good against whole enemy groups.

And just to be clear, I am not calling for a nerf at all. Reegar is OP in the hands of a good player, but so are many other weapons/classes. But I am not using the Reegar because I find it too easy to use, and it gives me no fun. And I am obviously biased with my preferences and opinions, so I will not support a nerf of Reegar as someone else might enjoy that and it is unfair to take that away from them.


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Slimjim0725 wrote...

@Kronner: The point you made is that they are SKILLED PLAYERS. The majority of the ME3 community (at least on Xbox) are not even close to this type of skill. Just because the select few can make a gun work to be amazing without dying over and over does not mean others can do the same. If you don't like it, stick with friends that won't use it.

 

Yes, this is what I mean. I'd only add that most players on PC suck too.

Modifié par Kronner, 02 juin 2012 - 11:52 .

[zhk3r]

Did a 13:49 Reaper Gold NO ROCKET speedrun with the Reegar last night. No doubt having 160+ Cluster Grenades helped, but geez is this gun .. balanced.

Thread over here

[Gwinever]

Influ wrote...

Gwinever wrote...

horangi88 wrote...

Nissun wrote...

horangi88 wrote...

Why does anyone care if a gun is too powerful? I don't use the Reegar, but I don't care if anyone else does and I don't think it should be nerfed. I get my kills and have fun. Let other people do the same, whichever way they like.

For me the problem starts the moment I equip another weapon dependant of getting close to the enemy, but can't kill anything because the guy with the Reegar comes in right beside me and kills everything around before I can empty a single clip.

That is simply not funny.

But the same kill hogging can happen with a sniper, claymore, BE, Nade Spam etc. I don't see you point.

except most of those take time and a bit of luck (except nades but you gotta refill those) reegar has a quick reload and can kill 3 mooks with 1 clip in 1.5 seconds

Reegar shares the same reload time with the Claymore, Scimitar, GPS and Graal. Those are all the slowest reloading shotguns. This isn't even the first time I've seen someone claim it has quick reloads. It's fairly obvious if you have actually used any of those weapons for a bit.

Also, guess what the scouter says about the OPs whine level?

was just replying to his latest statement

those 2 have no where near the same reload time unless you reload cancel with the claymore

[Pitznik]

It is clear from some of the replies here that big part of the ME3MP community doesn't care about becoming good at the game and beating the challenge game has to offer, but cares only about having more credits in easiest possible way. You can't convince them that this weapon devaluates any sort of skill they might have gotten, because they're simply not interested in becoming better. They want more PSPs, that's all. Stop arguing - those who care about balanced game do not need to be convinced, others simply can't be convinced. They won't admit that gun is OP, but they know it is, they just want it to be. If Bioware wants those players happy, they won't balance the weapons. I wouldn't mind the weapon being OP, since I'm not in any way forced to use it, but people in public games will use it and they will trivialize also my game :/

[Zkyire]

Stardusk wrote...

 This weapon is beyond broken. It is an abomination.

www.youtube.com/watch

Then stop using it.

[Kronner]

Gwinever wrote...

was just replying to his latest statement

those 2 have no where near the same reload time unless you reload cancel with the claymore

You can reload cancel with all weapons, so that's a moot point.

Rate of Fire (RoF) is what's important. The higher RoF, the shorter reload time. So if two weapons have the same base reload duration, but one has RoF of 80 (Graal) and one is 1000 (Reegar), the one with RoF = 1000 will reload much quicker.

Modifié par Kronner, 02 juin 2012 - 11:59 .