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[No Snakes Alive]

920103db wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

This thread is a fail and the OP is a fail.

No OP is a ****got.

Enjoy your trip.


What the hell is everyone getting so bent out of shape about. And the people claiming you used it on the best class for it? Lol. Try throwing it on a Geth Infiltrator and see what happens. Or a Vorcha, and use it in conjunction with Flamer.

I don't think Stardusk needed to make it his life's mission to have something done about this gun with so many threads (like I said before, the Krysae is pretty much even worse anyway, but I don't care about either and say just leave them both), but he does have a point. Showing what a Krogan Vanguard is capable of with it just means there are classes who can do even worse. If his point isn't that "something must be done!" so much as "better brace yourselves, Reeger lovers, because something probably will be done" then I think he might be right.

[deadpixel92]

What is wrong with the people in this thread? attacking and insulting the OP just because you don't agree in his opinion? yes i wasn't necessary to make another nerf post but the attitude of some people in this thread is pathetic. Show some respect.

[DayusMakhina]

death_for_sale wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Okovani Prometei wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Wouldn't be a new day without a Stardusk whine thread would it.

05:09: "With this weapon you just turn and shoot and vaporise 3 enemies at once"
05:10: Stardusk has to reload to kill 1 Phantom.

So uh, no mention I could see of what equipment and mods were in use here?

Either the Reegar get's insanely more powerful as it levels up or you've stacked the deck with equipment. Why do I say that? Well, I use a Reegar IV on a MQI. With bonus from tactical cloak and me aiming entirely at the head (yes I aim the thing) it takes an entire clip to take out 1 single Geth Pyro. That's with me using Shredder Mod V and High Caliber Barrel V but not using consumables.

It's true what he said. I was using Reegar X with inferno rounds III and shotgun amp I on GI and managed to kill 3 phantoms with 1 mag. They lined up perfectly. Even without consumables, on level X, it's absolutely lethal.

So his Reegar X cannot even kill 1, yet you're saying you can kill 3? That's... logical.

Oh, 'they lined up perfectly', does that mean they were all sat behind cover in a line and you could just hit them in the face to drop them instantly? Cos from my experience that's the only time Phantoms drop like a sack of potatoes.

He was using a GI, think cloak dmg and hunter dmg. I've killed two hunters that lined up with a claymore with my GI, must be be time to nerf Claymore!

Ah, so we're now having a balance discussion based around using the most overpowered character which can provide the biggest boost to weapon damage in the game. That is also... logical.

Now i'm not saying it's not overpowered or underpowered at rank X, I wouldn't know because mine is only level IV but it's quite clear that the majority of people here have an agenda and show constant bias.

Hell, in that video Stardusk mentions how it's point and shoot and everyone can be successfull with it... yet he's using a Krogan Vanguard, a character with insane health that can take a lot of damage and has an ability that allows him to instantly get into the minimal range of the gun. That is certainly not "any class", that's one of the best characters to be to use the weapon.

[dream3873]

Frost Spectre wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

But if the guns is a "win button" then how is that possible?
Oh, because getting that close to an enemy is nearly suicide on Gold for people who aren't SKILLED enough to do it.

That's balanced.

You have to give a trooper a reach-around in order to kill them with the Reegar.

Come off it Starduck, people who once respected you are starting to lose respect for you. Your crusade to nerf ALL the guns is actually starting to annoy a lot of people.

Well, I quess it needs no skill. Let people hack their game content.

F**k no. Go play GTA on easy mode if you want to win without much challenge. Or any sandbox games on easy difficulties.

There's no need to learn some tricks and tactics to beat gold challenge?

That's what you say; we should have more people who throw insults at you just being nice and trying to make the game worth while?

Just because there's no PvP in ME3 multiplayer, it's not a good excuse to have imbalance.
CoD is worst example of Co-operative/Teamplay Game, since your buddies in it will likely leave you to death because there weren't enemies for few seconds ago.

So from experience with complete randoms you can say with a 100% certainty that your ME3 MP experience is ruined? So then there is no trick to useing the weapon on lets say an Asari adept and accually getting in range? Has this weapon been proven to be easy mode on all classes? 

Modifié par dream3873, 02 juin 2012 - 01:57 .

[Okovani Prometei]

DayusMakhina wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Okovani Prometei wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Wouldn't be a new day without a Stardusk whine thread would it.

05:09: "With this weapon you just turn and shoot and vaporise 3 enemies at once"
05:10: Stardusk has to reload to kill 1 Phantom.

So uh, no mention I could see of what equipment and mods were in use here?

Either the Reegar get's insanely more powerful as it levels up or you've stacked the deck with equipment. Why do I say that? Well, I use a Reegar IV on a MQI. With bonus from tactical cloak and me aiming entirely at the head (yes I aim the thing) it takes an entire clip to take out 1 single Geth Pyro. That's with me using Shredder Mod V and High Caliber Barrel V but not using consumables.

It's true what he said. I was using Reegar X with inferno rounds III and shotgun amp I on GI and managed to kill 3 phantoms with 1 mag. They lined up perfectly. Even without consumables, on level X, it's absolutely lethal.

So his Reegar X cannot even kill 1, yet you're saying you can kill 3? That's... logical.

Oh, 'they lined up perfectly', does that mean they were all sat behind cover in a line and you could just hit them in the face to drop them instantly? Cos from my experience that's the only time Phantoms drop like a sack of potatoes.

He was using a GI, think cloak dmg and hunter dmg. I've killed two hunters that lined up with a claymore with my GI, must be be time to nerf Claymore!

Ah, so we're now having a balance discussion based around using the most overpowered character which can provide the biggest boost to weapon damage in the game. That is also... logical.

Now i'm not saying it's not overpowered or underpowered at rank X, I wouldn't know because mine is only level IV but it's quite clear that the majority of people here have an agenda and show constant bias.

Hell, in that video Stardusk mentions how it's point and shoot and everyone can be successfull with it... yet he's using a Krogan Vanguard, a character with insane health that can take a lot of damage and has an ability that allows him to instantly get into the minimal range of the gun. That is certainly not "any class", that's one of the best characters to be to use the weapon.

All I can say, get it to level X and use it on any class (I just used GI as an example where I witnessed Reegar's max potential). You'll see how it simplifies the game drastically. Then again that's my opinion, obviously others have a hard time to use.

[Karstedt]

Without pointing any fingers, most of the responses in the this thread are pretty stupid. I suggest that everyone stops responding so the majority can stop making this world a dumber place with their comments.

[Uncle Graves]

Stardusk wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

You should really stick to making guides for people who don't know how to play the game, and quit crying for nerfs all the damn time.

Did you watch the video? I say I don't call for the nerf. Good job listening (which I am sure you did not).

I watched your video, and while I agree that the weapon is powerful to a point where you could call it overpowered I find myself not agreeing with your argument at all.

You want to prove that this gun is "broken"?

Ok, get 4 bad or average players in a lobby and let them each use this weapon in a Random Gold Match.
Let them use whatever characters they want with whatever mods and consumables they choose.
Don't help them with setting up their class and skills, don't tell them that Sniper Rifle AMP III's are useless when you are not using Sniper Rifles, etc., you know, just let them do the stupid sh*t that the average, casual player of this game (which I would roughly estimate to be 85 - 90% of the entire player base of this game) usually does.

If they still come out on top, you have a point.


Seriously, I am certain that the reason people call you a whining elitist is that you are among the best and most knowlegeable players in this game, and you play as a team with players who are most likely just as knowledgeable and proficient at the game as you are, if not even more so.

Players like you are the minority. Most players get destroyed on Gold even if they rock their Krysae, Reegar, Valiant, or [insert powerful weapon here].

And don't forget the console players, average players are even worse on the console versions than on the PC (no surprise here, though).

Modifié par Uncle Graves, 02 juin 2012 - 02:09 .

[nicethugbert]

Sniper Elite V2, maybe some people would prefer it?

[Hypertion]

its a flamethrower.. skill isnt required.

being up close to the enemy is.

i do think it should be capable of headshots but still.

Modifié par Hypertion, 02 juin 2012 - 02:10 .

[born2beagator]

Another whiny nerf thread. Nothing to see here

[its THAT guy]

OP, you were whining and complaining about the GPS in your video too, which is NOT overpowered in the slightest. Therefore, your opinion on the reagar is irrelevant.

[Kronner]

nicethugbert wrote...

The claim being made against the Reeger is that it is overkill therefore it requires less, or no, skill to use.  So, if this is true then the same is true about the Claymore or Graal versus the Disciple because Disciple is not overkill against any enemy but Claymore and Graal are.  Not sure about Wraith as I only have it at level one and find no use for it at that level.

  

Actually, I think the claim is that Reegar does not require precise aim to melt X enemies in Y seconds, or something like that. I could not care less.

I dislike it because it does not give me any enjoyment and I prefer "standard" weapons.

For me, it is that simple. I either like the weapon, or I don't. I know it right when I try that weapon. If I don't like it, I don't care how good it is, I am not gonna use it (e.g. Geth Plasma Shotgun. It is objectively better than the Claymore or Wraith in vast majority of situations, but I prefer the two "standard" weapons over GPS easily.)

nicethugbert wrote... 
Additionally, on gold, even the lowest level mobs are lethal, especially for an Asari Adept with no fitness, which is one of my favorite characters.  But, I wouldn't use reeger on her as I must have 200% weight reduction on her.  I would use it on something like a Krogan or Batarian Sentinel which I spec for grenades, fitness, dr, and weapon damage instead of weight reduction and typically use with heavy weapons.

   

I'd probably not use such a short range weapon on a caster either, unless the game was played on a small map, like Glacier.

nicethugbert wrote... 
Black Widow kills more effectively because you can't spam proximity mine from tac cloak as fast if you are using it instead of a viper?  No, Blackwidow kills more effectively than viper because BW decided there would be a pecking order among weapons that have the same purpose and use.

    

That was my point. Not sure where your mine spam came from. Disciple can't be better than GPS at killing because it weighs like one third of GPS (just example).

nicethugbert wrote...  
But, you can't rely soley on powers unless you hide behind a desk on fire base white and some how remain untouched by the enemy. Also, as a non-infiltrator, you don't have tac cloak to hide behind.
 

    

Again, not sure where this came from since I never claimed otherwise.

nicethugbert wrote...   
When you have to move, as you often do against Phantoms, Brutes, etc.  Then you have to interleave weapon and power use.  I'd like to see a comparison between something like Disciple+Throw/Conc Shot/Stasis/Reeve/Warp/etc. and Claymore/Graal/Wraith + whatever.  I'm betting it's not so easy to do this with a Disciple.

 

Depends on what kind of power you have, obviously. e.g. Stasis = no problem with phantom(s). Again, Disciple is not as good as say GPS at killing. For obvious reasons.

nicethugbert wrote...  
I don't detest Reeger, but, we agree that it does not negatively impact our enjoyment of the game such that it must be nerfed.

Yes, we do!

Modifié par Kronner, 02 juin 2012 - 02:15 .

[DayusMakhina]

Okovani Prometei wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Okovani Prometei wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Wouldn't be a new day without a Stardusk whine thread would it.

05:09: "With this weapon you just turn and shoot and vaporise 3 enemies at once"
05:10: Stardusk has to reload to kill 1 Phantom.

So uh, no mention I could see of what equipment and mods were in use here?

Either the Reegar get's insanely more powerful as it levels up or you've stacked the deck with equipment. Why do I say that? Well, I use a Reegar IV on a MQI. With bonus from tactical cloak and me aiming entirely at the head (yes I aim the thing) it takes an entire clip to take out 1 single Geth Pyro. That's with me using Shredder Mod V and High Caliber Barrel V but not using consumables.

It's true what he said. I was using Reegar X with inferno rounds III and shotgun amp I on GI and managed to kill 3 phantoms with 1 mag. They lined up perfectly. Even without consumables, on level X, it's absolutely lethal.

So his Reegar X cannot even kill 1, yet you're saying you can kill 3? That's... logical.

Oh, 'they lined up perfectly', does that mean they were all sat behind cover in a line and you could just hit them in the face to drop them instantly? Cos from my experience that's the only time Phantoms drop like a sack of potatoes.

He was using a GI, think cloak dmg and hunter dmg. I've killed two hunters that lined up with a claymore with my GI, must be be time to nerf Claymore!

Ah, so we're now having a balance discussion based around using the most overpowered character which can provide the biggest boost to weapon damage in the game. That is also... logical.

Now i'm not saying it's not overpowered or underpowered at rank X, I wouldn't know because mine is only level IV but it's quite clear that the majority of people here have an agenda and show constant bias.

Hell, in that video Stardusk mentions how it's point and shoot and everyone can be successfull with it... yet he's using a Krogan Vanguard, a character with insane health that can take a lot of damage and has an ability that allows him to instantly get into the minimal range of the gun. That is certainly not "any class", that's one of the best characters to be to use the weapon.

All I can say, get it to level X and use it on any class (I just used GI as an example where I witnessed Reegar's max potential). You'll see how it simplifies the game drastically. Then again that's my opinion, obviously others have a hard time to use.

That's the thing, i'd like to to be able to see for myself but sadly I don't have the time or the patience to grind that much to get it to X (well and the RNG gods were unkind to me and kept giving me the Krysae instead - at level IX I have no qualms in agreeing that one is overpowered).

I'm not some anti-nerf guy either, I come from a background of shooters thus I realise balance is important. If it is overpowered at X in regular situations (rather than just situations which suit it) i'd have no qualms in agreeing that it needs to be nerfed but this video that Stardusk has posted which should have shown me doesn't because it's quite clearly not remotely objective. An if you aren't going to be objective about balance changes then you're just part of the problem.

I'd like to see Stardusk use it at rank X with something that isn't a tank or have the ability to instantly get into close range. Objectively let's say something that isn't insanely powerful or insanely frail. Human Engineer maybe? For that matter the map is important too, on something like Glacier the Reegar just decimates as it's tiny, Hydra is too big so maybe Dagger? Partially open and partially enclosed so reasonable enough.

Okay, so yeh, someone show me it being insanely overpowered using a Human Engineer on Firebase Dagger. Reckon that's too much to ask?

[Karstedt]

***Weeps for all the dead braincells***

[Pitznik]

DayusMakhina wrote...

Hell, in that video Stardusk mentions how it's point and shoot and everyone can be successfull with it... yet he's using a Krogan Vanguard, a character with insane health that can take a lot of damage and has an ability that allows him to instantly get into the minimal range of the gun. That is certainly not "any class", that's one of the best characters to be to use the weapon.

But that is what makes it broken. You can prove that BW ain't good if you put it on character relying on cooldown and try to shoot everything from hip. You have to put the weapon in the right context to check what is wrong with it. I won't say anything about GI, or another Infiltrator, because I do not play these classes.

What is wrong with Reegar X on my Krogan Vanguard on silver (Berserker Package I, shredder, spare ammo):

1. I can kill about 3 basic troopers in one charge/empty mag/reload cycle, just like with my Graal. But I can keep 200% cd, mag of Reegar is empty lot faster than Graal's, and it requires no skill whatsoever - I have to charge Graal, aim for head, with Reegar I just press fire and move reticle like I would be using eraser in paintbrush.

2. It trivializes Phantoms - after initial stagger from Biotic Charge, I had to either aim for the head, or just shoot at the body, with much less damage, but keeping Phantom staggered to keep myself safe. Now I just charge and erase Phantom out of existence.

3. Atlas - I can solo silver Atlas with repeated charge/3 charged shots/reload routine using Graal, but it took time. With other mobs around I would rather wait for some backup. With Reegar Atlas doesn't give a pause - first charge/mag removes his shields entirely and 2 armor pieces, 2nd and 3rd B. Charges/mags just finish him. I don't need to charge my weapon, and my BC is on 200% cd - so now I need less cycles, and those cycles use less time than with Graal. Atlas trivialized. I believe with Reegar modded for shredder/hcb I once killed silver Atlas from full shields to zero in 2 charges, which takes like 5 seconds or so, but I can't repeat it consistently, so maybe I was shooting from perfect range (since both too close and too far is less damage), or there was some damage from my team, hard to tell.

4. Turrets - again, I could destroy a Turret from full shields in one BC cycle with Graal, but it was risky, since if I didn't time it between bursts, I was stripped of Barrier completely, so if Turret had buddies, I could die. No longer the case - one mag of Reegar is enough for Turret and whatever hapopens to be near, no problem.

The worst thing is, I actually don't have to put more effort than before, I have to put less. With Graal I had to aim for the head, charge weapon, stagger stuff since my BC was off the cd bit later (200% Reegar, 160% Graal). Now I just kill things instead of staggering them. I used Cerberus as an example, but its same thing with other factions. Only enemy I don't feel I improved a lot on is Banshee - Reegar eats her like crazy, but I have to keep more risky range than with Graal - but here at least we have some tradeoff - efficiency versus risk.

So, what do you say? Am I a gold player now, just because I got new weapon?

[Killahead]

deadpixel92 wrote...

What is wrong with the people in this thread? attacking and insulting the OP just because you don't agree in his opinion? yes i wasn't necessary to make another nerf post but the attitude of some people in this thread is pathetic. Show some respect.

This.

I love how Stardusk has been completely ignoring all the straw man arguments and the trolls in this thread and only responded to those who actually have contributed to the discussion.

[Stardusk]

Killahead wrote...

deadpixel92 wrote...

What is wrong with the people in this thread? attacking and insulting the OP just because you don't agree in his opinion? yes i wasn't necessary to make another nerf post but the attitude of some people in this thread is pathetic. Show some respect.

This.

I love how Stardusk has been completely ignoring all the straw man arguments and the trolls in this thread and only responded to those who actually have contributed to the discussion.

People are free to disagree with my opinions here and even on my channel though it is clear by the number of mindless ad hominems directed at me over there (four letter word insults and the like), that the caliber of comments coming from those folks is pretty low. 

[tutzdes]

Air Quotes, Krogard doesn't get stunlocked and Reegar is a very good weapon for this class. But not better than Widow or Claymore for infiltrator.

I've watched the whole vid and think that it's a good example of how the good team with heavy consumables usage could fare on gold. The classes and weapons fit the map and enemy perfectly (vorcha, crogard and batarian soldier are very good at killing phantoms). Also they're using some glitches and concentrated fire to take down threats fast. Good work, you guys just shown main drawbacks of Reegar when using it on the most appropriate classes hence so many missiles spent.

Modifié par tutzdes, 02 juin 2012 - 02:44 .

[neteng101]

Stardusk wrote...

People are free to disagree with my opinions here and even on my channel though it is clear by the number of mindless ad hominems directed at me over there (four letter word insults and the like), that the caliber of comments coming from those folks is pretty low.

Indeed.  But remember, you're already shown your biases in past videos and disdain of infiltrators...  you talk about it, give your reasons clearly.  People get that you're good at this game, but a little humility never hurts anyone.

Just basing on your videos, we'd need to nerf at least this:

• Asari Justicar damage reductions
• Graal Spike Thrower
• Vorcha health regeneration

You can choose to deny it as much as you like, but a large majority of players will get killed using the Reegar given its very limited range and need to be revived.  Trying to dictate how others play and what skills are needed to play the game, which you are indeed doing, is basically putting down others.

That's why they're directing virulent comments in your direction.  Start asking yourself what you're doing that causing all that...  or you can ignore it all, and just show yourself to be like almost everyone here is these days, self-absorbed, in need of ego stroking/validation by others.