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[Indenter]

It can weigh as much as or close to a claymore if they wanna nerf it.

And that's it. Nothing else.

Sorry, killing someone in an instant beats having to lead and keep a sustained current on a target to melt it.

And if you can do the latter, you are likely to do the former infinitely better.

All it seems is you are fascinated by how fast the bars drop from full to zero, even though it takes miliseconds for that to happen with several other guns.

Only a few would use the damn thing if it were nerfed.

Modifié par Indenter, 02 juin 2012 - 09:47 .

[KainD]

^ Exactly my point.

[astheoceansblue]

Hurricane with the right bonuses does this too. Not quite as quick, but it has better range.

[Okovani Prometei]

It is overpowered and needs to be tweaked. That being said, I'll shamelessly use till they make the adjustments. Give Pyros a taste of their own medicine.

[xXdmndmnXx]

Okovani Prometei wrote...

It is overpowered and needs to be tweaked. That being said, I'll shamelessly use till they make the adjustments. Give Pyros a taste of their own medicine.

Damn, you're right  

[laurencium]

Since when did Mass Effect multiplayer become a skill-based game? The whole beauty of ME's multiplayer is that you don't need to have perfect aim to excel. That's the whole point of giving you all these amazing and unique powers and weapons and it being co-op only. You can be just as successful as anyone as long as you think hard about building your character. It certainly doesn't require a lot of skill and aim to play a biotic, yet a biotic team can wreck Gold without ever firing a gun, and that's great. It's what makes this game unique. More skillful players looking for a challenge can use some of the more difficult weapons and niche builds, but for those who are less skillful yet still want to have fun in the ME universe why shouldn't they be accommodated too?


Maybe a greater number of 'unskilled' players will be playing Gold now (though I see no evidence of that). So what? If the gun is as OP as you say it is, these less-skilled players will be just as effective as the more skilled are on Gold. If anything this benefits everyone since it's more likely that the run will be completed, and there's nothing to complain about. Or does it hurt your sense of superiority?


If you don't think using the gun is fun, good for you. But the fact that the other person is using it obviously means that it's fun for them (or at least they prefer using it to anything else at that moment). Why does that bother you? So much so as to call the gun an abomination? Why does the existence of such a gun make the game less fun for you? Because your ego dictates that you must dominate every unskilled weakling?

Modifié par laurencium, 02 juin 2012 - 10:00 .

[tallinn]

I support Stardusk's idea to make it less effective vs. armor. After all, it is a weapon that fires an electric ray. Now why should that melt armor? And as it doesn't shoot ammo, ammo buffs should not work at all on that weapon.

And to the guys that hate nerf threads. I do as well but this time I think that gun makes the game too easy and thus boring. And it makes it too easy for the whole team. It won't help just not to equip the weapon on your own character. If it's in the match you're playing you are screwed.

[Killahead]

laurencium wrote...

If you don't think using the gun is fun, good for you. But the fact that the other person is using it obviously means that it's fun for them (or at least they prefer using it to anything else at that moment). Why does that bother you? So much so as to call the gun an abomination? Why does the existence of such a gun make the game less fun for you? Because your ego dictates that you must dominate every unskilled weakling?

And we're back to questioning motivations again. Can we have one constructive discussion without resorting to this every time?

[nicethugbert]

I used the gun. Then I put it away and used other guns. It does not ruin the game for me. It's one more thing to have to play with.

AND, if you think it is OP, what about Mauraders who I put 4 shotguns shells into their face at point blank and they just keep going, NO STAGGER, from a Disciple. How about head shots that do only 2 or 3 bars of shield damage? Don't get me started on the Geth and their staggers.

Reallty, something is wrong with the mechanics in this game on the enemies side.

[Javo2357]

WOW ridiculous...
Regarding the vid: do you have it at lvl 10? If so, did you notice a significant difference in damage output? I only have the Reegar at level 2 but I haven't used it for more than a couple matches

[Stardusk]

nicethugbert wrote...

I used the gun. Then I put it away and used other guns. It does not ruin the game for me. It's one more thing to have to play with.

AND, if you think it is OP, what about Mauraders who I put 4 shotguns shells into their face at point blank and they just keep going, NO STAGGER, from a Disciple. How about head shots that do only 2 or 3 bars of shield damage? Don't get me started on the Geth and their staggers.

Reallty, something is wrong with the mechanics in this game on the enemies side.

The Disciple occupies the other end of the broken spectrum. It is brokenly horrible. Why would you use it?

[lpconfig]

vivanto wrote...

Stardusk wrote...
I can't imagine that PC players lack the skill. I play with very good players and we are usually all very close in score, no one breaks much over 120k.

You see, I play with some very good ones too and usually score within comparable range. Yet when I switch to something really powerful - like a claymore inf - I can easily lead with a +30-40% score, usually more. That doesn't happen with this gun.

The reegar is only really powerful with a vorcha, on anyone else it's either suicide or you can't use it to its full potential.

Any class can use it well.  The only reason he didnt overpower the scoreboard was that we were all using the reegar too.

[Stinja]

I'm not really seeing the problem?

You have a close range gun, on a very durable character, on a close range(ish) map, killing things at close range - isn't this all as intended?

If one has optimal conditions for sniper rifles: infiltrators with sniper rifles, on a long ange map killing things at long range - does that make them the most broken weapon(s) in the game?

If you took the Reegar to Giant, and had everyone in the sniper room shooting the far spawns, how would the Reegar compare then? Bottom of the score list - should i do a video and demand it be buffed so I'm not seeing the problem. It's meant to be brutal at super close range, much like a sniper rifle is not, and visa versa.

Personally I'm just sad the store won't unlock it for me (15 PSPs and counting...) to try myself.

[RecoonHoodie]

Stop crying for everything. This gun is weak very very weak BioWare. Beleive me! Weak in long rage...and still DONT NERF IT!!!

[laurencium]

Killahead wrote...

laurencium wrote...

If you don't think using the gun is fun, good for you. But the fact that the other person is using it obviously means that it's fun for them (or at least they prefer using it to anything else at that moment). Why does that bother you? So much so as to call the gun an abomination? Why does the existence of such a gun make the game less fun for you? Because your ego dictates that you must dominate every unskilled weakling?

And we're back to questioning motivations again. Can we have one constructive discussion without resorting to this every time?

Why not question motivation? Feel free to dispute any point I made, but just to say "let's not question motivation" is hardly reasonable.

Tell me how the following can lead to me being unhappy about the existence of this gun in this game:

-I do not find using Reegar to be fun, so obviously I elect not to use it
-Other person using Reeger implies that they prefer using it to other weapons at the moment, for whatever reasons
-The gun is 'OP', therefore my teammates have become stronger, thereby benefiting me since this is a co-op game

??? How is it logically possible for the above to lead me to say things like this gun is an 'abomination', 'Bioware should never have made it', and compel me to make three separate threads about it?

[Kabab11]

Stardusk wrote...

Mozts wrote...

Proposal? Besides killing the Batman.

I already stated in the video.

Make it AT LEAST as heavy as the Javelin and make shredder and AP ammo unusable on  it.

Would that not count as nerfing it? Which you seem to state you are against in the video and in this forum.

[Morrowcet]

Stardusk is broken. Just look at how it's skipping and repeating itself.

No, I'm not saying we should nerf Stardusk, just that we should take away its thread-posting privileges.

[Stardusk]

Air Quotes wrote...

Only 100.000? With a KV and Reegar? That's not a lot.

I was playing with very good players, everyone was using the Reegar. I also got instant killed so sat out a wave. And this not about the score if you actually listed to my argument. It is about point, don't aim, die.

Modifié par Stardusk, 02 juin 2012 - 10:18 .

[lpconfig]

Air Quotes wrote...

Only 100.000? With a KV and Reegar? That's not a lot.

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You arent very observant.  Everyone else was using a reegar too.

[Aifell_Ellion]

You're just nuts about about points. This is a co-op, not a "look how much i can kill" challange.

[LordOpic]

Got it to X used it twice and now its left in the locker. Fun to use but way way op.

[TheMightyG00sh]

Air Quotes wrote...

Only 100.000? With a KV and Reegar? And only 3 players playing? That's not a lot. 

I'd agree but he only has medals for Shotgun Kills, Total Kills and Total Assists and his team all have 100k (apart from the PUB that joined) so I'd say it balances out.

[Aifell_Ellion]

http://social.biowar...ndex/10373556/2

Stardusk wrote...

Graal, Claymore...

I belive your favorite weapons are graal and claymore, why wont you just use them if you dont like reegar?

[molecularman]

Yeah, you make too much reegar nerf threads. We get your point already, even bw does